Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #11

[casesensitive]

Misty I think you misunderstood what I was speculating about. What if one or more of his current client(s) is/are the leading TPS suspect(s)? Would that explain his approach to the press conference, and why TPS is evidently not sharing information with him and his team? Jmo

Canadian police do not share homicide information in their investigations. Greenspan's hope that the two investigation teams would do so has not happened and it''s apparent that it never will. Greenspan noted that a few American police forces have accepted help from outside investigators, and that it has never happened in Canada. That is Canadian LE protocol, and LE not sharing information with Greenspan does not suggest that their reason is because his client(s) are a suspects.

The murder/suicide theory was debunked immediately by the children. It would be interesting to know if one kid thought it was likely a m/s and didn't want to hire Greenspan.If that never happened, then none of the kids are a suspect imo.

 

[ldlager]

Canadian police do not share homicide information in their investigations. Greenspan's hope that the two investigation teams would do so has not happened and it''s apparent that it never will. Greenspan noted that a few American police forces have accepted help from outside investigators, and that it has never happened in Canada. That is Canadian LE protocol, and LE not sharing information with Greenspan does not suggest that their reason is because his client(s) are a suspects.

The murder/suicide theory was debunked immediately by the children. It would be interesting to know if one kid thought it was likely a m/s and didn't want to hire Greenspan.If that never happened, then none of the kids are a suspect imo.

I would not imagine that one of the children would have actually committed the murders personally. And I expect they probably would have all voiced approval in hiring Greenspan. But if the police are looking at the most obvious financial beneficiaries, surely they would have been investigating the kids.

 

[casesensitive]

I would not imagine that one of the children would have actually committed the murders personally. And I expect they probably would have all voiced approval in hiring Greenspan. But if the police are looking at the most obvious financial beneficiaries, surely they would have been investigating the kids.

Of course LE would have investigated the kids first. We know LE start with family members first, consider any motive, check alibis and then work out from there. Your suggestion that Greenspan's actions have been based on him trying to lay out a pre-defense for one of his clients was what I commented on, and also your speculation that LE wouldn't share info with BG because one, or more of his clients was a suspect.

To quote you: "Misty I think you misunderstood what I was speculating about. What if one or more of his current client(s) is/are the leading TPS suspect(s)? Would that explain his approach to the press conference, and why TPS is evidently not sharing information with him and his team? Jmo"

Sorry, if I misunderstood your previous comments.

 

[deugirtni]

To me it only makes sense that TPS would NOT be sharing info with the Greenspan team, SINCE they were hired by family.. and although family may be already cleared, until they know what happened exactly, how can they really clear *anyone*? They could in effect be unknowingly feeding the perps with crucial evidentiary findings to help them get away with it, if they shared. I can't believe Greenspan would think for a moment that it could possibly work that way.

 

[ldlager]

Of course LE would have investigated the kids first. We know LE start with family members first, consider any motive, check alibis and then work out from there. Your suggestion that Greenspan's actions have been based on him trying to lay out a pre-defense for one of his clients was what I commented on, and also your speculation that LE wouldn't share info with BG because one, or more of his clients was a suspect.

To quote you: "Misty I think you misunderstood what I was speculating about. What if one or more of his current client(s) is/are the leading TPS suspect(s)? Would that explain his approach to the press conference, and why TPS is evidently not sharing information with him and his team? Jmo"

Sorry, if I misunderstood your previous comments.

No problem, I’m not sure that you misinterpreted.
I was just speculating that even IF (unlikely I know) LE was willing to share SOME limited info with Greenspan, it would be incredibly ironic if one or more of his clients weren’t yet cleared by LE and that’s why they haven’t communicated that limited info.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Misty I think you misunderstood what I was speculating about. What if one or more of his current client(s) is/are the leading TPS suspect(s)? Would that explain his approach to the press conference, and why TPS is evidently not sharing information with him and his team? Jmo

What you wrote above has been my gut fear about this case. The person or persons responsible are very close to the family.

If Greenspan is 100% confident that they’re not: move the reward to the TPS tip line. They can offer anonymity and protection that Greenspan’s team cannot.

 

[MistyWaters]

What you wrote above has been my gut fear about this case. The person or persons responsible are very close to the family.

If Greenspan is 100% confident that they’re not: move the reward to the TPS tip line. They can offer anonymity and protection that Greenspan’s team cannot.

When the reward was announced, it was supposed to be set up so was tips would be processed by an independent committee, including a member of TPS. Last we heard it was being considered by TPS and by now it must’ve been either yayed or nayed. The other three members were all respected professionals, one a retired judge iirc. Overall I thought the committee arrangement was quite well thought out, not a lot different than Crime Stoppers but with a far more lucrative twist.

I can see some disadvantages of tips going directly to police. One is general distrust of LE by a tipster with a prior criminal record. Another is anyone with outstanding arrest warrants, police can’t ignore that and people with connections to murderers are usually not upstanding citizens themselves. So maybe that was one of the reasons for the committee, to provide a bit of a security net for tipsters who might otherwise be reluctant to talk directly to TPS.

 

[rickcross]

Seemed me that Greenspan, having already assembled team, was doing his best to try and sell the idea of selling his services to an overburdened police department. Trying to turn a temporary gig into a permanent business. TPS obviously didn't bite, and for good reason. As for the reward, no news of a payout and no arrests, so I'm pretty sure that was a failure as well.

 

[ldlager]

Who could have murdered billionaire Barry Sherman and wife Honey, two of Canada’s leading philanthropists? – Part 2: antagonists in the family and community circles

Part 2 of an article I posted previously. Very interesting

 

[JayFriend]

Strangled tycoon was trying to halt probe of Trudeau fundraising

Hope this works. It blocked Firefox, but Chrome worked.

 

[human]

Who could have murdered billionaire Barry Sherman and wife Honey, two of Canada’s leading philanthropists? – Part 2: antagonists in the family and community circles

Part 2 of an article I posted previously. Very interesting

It is really long. Have not finished reading it. Very thorough.

Any thoughts?

 

[Satchie]

It is really long. Have not finished reading it. Very thorough.

Any thoughts?

To me, the question is not who might have had a grudge against the Shermans, but rather, who was crazy enough to do this.

Normal people are capable of dealing with conflict, it's part of life, especially in a competitive business.

Seriously disturbed people can take even a minor incident and blow it up, in their minds, to be justification for murder.

 

[tarabull]

Strangled tycoon was trying to halt probe of Trudeau fundraising

Hope this works. It blocked Firefox, but Chrome worked.

YES it works, HUGE thanks to you!

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Seemed me that Greenspan, having already assembled team, was doing his best to try and sell the idea of selling his services to an overburdened police department. Trying to turn a temporary gig into a permanent business. TPS obviously didn't bite, and for good reason. As for the reward, no news of a payout and no arrests, so I'm pretty sure that was a failure as well.

They might be funding a whistleblower right now for all we know.

Maybe they know who it is but there isn’t enough evidence. It might be a waiting game until they can catch them or one of their buddies for a different crime. (Like Jack Kay said.)

 

[Deleted member 102539]

It is really long. Have not finished reading it. Very thorough.

Any thoughts?

My thoughts: BS' written memories may have been worth stealing ...

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Strangled tycoon was trying to halt probe of Trudeau fundraising

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According to federal court documents, Sherman tried to block subpoenas of two Apotex executives issued by Karen Shepherd, Canada’s commissioner of lobbying, to compel them to speak with investigators.
bbm
The 2 executives, who are meanwhile gone?

 

[casesensitive]

To me, the question is not who might have had a grudge against the Shermans, but rather, who was crazy enough to do this.

Normal people are capable of dealing with conflict, it's part of life, especially in a competitive business.

Seriously disturbed people can take even a minor incident and blow it up, in their minds, to be justification for murder.

Good points Satchie. There are some considerations to reflect on, imo.

- Normal people are capable of killing while in a rage. We all know it as a "crime of passion". Family, friends and close business associates are capable of this level of rage. It is always personal.

-The intense competition within the pharma business (including generic drugs) could involve countries where killing your competitor is a matter of good business sense. We don't know if BS was totally vulnerable in this sense.

-Barry's involvement with shady characters could have resulted in a hit that included this level of violence to intentionally send a message.

The first two examples do not fit the crime imo. A pharma competitor hit would be a bullet to the head. A crime of passion would leave the victims killed but not strung up on a railing (unless a fake suicide note was left by BS which doesn't seem to have happened per media reporters).

I tend to think the Shermans were killed by a mob connection, or as you noted, a seriously disturbed person with a grudge. I haven't discounted any "normal" person who BS could destroy in a criminal case.

 

[rogue ant]

Barry and Honey Sherman murder case: Police have working theory and ‘an idea of what happened’
Barry and Honey Sherman murder case: Police have working theory and ‘an idea of what happened’ | The Star

 

[dotr]

Barry and Honey Sherman murder case: Police have working theory and ‘an idea of what happened’
Barry and Honey Sherman murder case: Police have working theory and ‘an idea of what happened’ | The Star

Thanks, huge article- very promising news!
Radio.. rbbm.
LISTEN: Police reportedly have a
"For the first time since the shocking murder of a billionaire couple in Toronto, police are suggesting their investigation is getting closer to answers.

According to a report in the Toronto Star, the homicide squad has a "working theory" in the killings of Barry and Honey Sherman, the couple found murdered in their North York mansion in December of 2017.

The Star reports that one of the five detectives working on the case told a court hearing yesterday that that the team has "an idea of what happened," but has refused to share details about what they believe the real story is."

"NEWSTALK 1010 Crime Specialist and former homicide detective, Mark Mendelson, isn't getting too excited about what police are saying.

"A working theory is not a concrete theory," Mendelson tells Moore in the Morning. "It could be just simply how people got into the house or how they were killed."

 

[rickcross]

I wouldn't get worked up over this news simply because it came out during a petition by the Star to have documents regarding the case released. For whatever reasons TPS does not want these documents released. Some have suggested police incompetence, others have theorized about a police coverup of an actual murder/suicide, or maybe there is actually an ongoing investigation. Any one of these things could be reason to protest the release of said documents and if it were one of the first two scenarios, what is said in court could be exaggerated or a complete fabrication. Lets hope they actually are on to something though.