Potential Suspects and Persons of Interest

Law Enforcement (Montgomery County Police) had Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr.'s name, address, and his statements about seeing the Lyon Sisters entering a man's car at Wheaton Plaza as early as 1 April 1975 - exactly one week after the girls went missing. Using your logic, they should have solved the case about 41 years ago. Obviously that did not happen.

Mileski might or might not have been involved but it is clear that he claimed to have known who abducted the girls early on (at least as early as December 1977) - and he maintained that he had direct and intimate knowledge of the crime up to his death in 2004. Montgomery County Police DID have Mileski's statements in letters, from informants, and probably from Mileski himself through interviews.

Was there a connection between Mileski and the Welches? Maybe. Consider that most other potential suspects, persons of interest, and general profiles mentioned in regard to this case were usually individuals or loners. It was information about and from Mileski that first pointed to the possibility of a group effort to abduct the Lyon sisters.

Because MCP has not named others (besides the Welches) as persons of interest, I am not at liberty to mention names of others connected with the Mileski information, but I will say that all had connections with Prince Georges County, Maryland and some had connections to places in and near Hyattsville, MD.

It has taken MCP a long time to gather and go through volumes of information. Over the years many people have died, moved away, or simply have forgotten things. So resolving this case is difficult. Hopefully answers and justice will be forthcoming.


You are right; MCP really SHOULD have solved this case 41 years ago. They had, not only LLW's name, address, and comments; they also had the statement of another witness who remembered LLW and gave police a very good description of him.

Mileski's testimony adds up to jailhouse snitchery, and that is often not reliable. I do agree that they all had connections to PG County, though........most notably through the judicial system!
 
It is hard to think--and say--but after all these years, it reeks of total ineptness of LE at the time or of inside cover-up for some reason. The big question in my mind today is: "Why is this case in Bedford, VA when the base crime of kidnapping took place in Montgomery County, MD, and appears to have the most prove-able case?"

The other thing that seems to get lost in the process of drawing out time is the way the case came back into the headlines. It was related to school and Social Services discovery of molestation of two boys in southern MD, and the conviction and incarceration of the molester, followed by revelation of the molester's connection to the Welch/Engelking family and LLW2 in particular along with the molester's connection to *advertiser censored* ring activities.

As far as I can see, the only connection to Bedford, VA known publicly came from LLW2's claims--and now the use of his testimony is being challenged in VA courts. Crazy, especially when he has admitted taking the girls from the mall and putting them in a vehicle IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, MD, as well as seeing at least one of them being molested in PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY, MD! Oh yeah! VA has the death penalty; at LLW2 age, wouldn't charges on those crimes amount to life behind bars? And wouldn't that open opportunity to bargain information on others involved?

Sorry to say, but I still believe the case is being "handled." Whether a "mis" (which created the impression of mistakenly) belongs in front to modify the verb is questionable. IMO, there is much more to this case still to be "uncovered," and it may not be just in Virginia!
 
LLW2 was 18 at the time of the kidnappings, so there is no chance that he would be charged as a minor, if that is where you are going about the death penalty. Maryland also has the death penalty, technically; it just has not been used in a long time. As for why the case is in Virginia........there are two possible reasons. Either the FBI found some evidence in the digs conducted on the mountain, the interstate grand jury wanted to be careful not to violate the agreement made with Welch by Maryland when he was initially questioned; or both.

The case in Maryland involving the two boys has nothing to do with LLW or the Lyon sisters.
 
The death penalty potential is very likely a key to the decision to combine jurisdictions and to pursue this case in Virginia rather than in Maryland courts. That possibility is indeed something that can be held over the heads of Lloyd Welch and any others yet to be named as suspects.

The combining of the several jurisdictions has advantages in that offenses and suspects can be brought together for consideration, as well as other potentially linked cases. It allows LE from the various jurisdictions to work together more smoothly.

A disadvantage, however, might be that all known crimes (of a specific individual) would have to be presented together - or in a logical order - and the considerations of time, expense, and distance might cause prosecutors to ignore some offenses to concentrate on others.

The issue of jurisdiction will most likely be questioned and challenged by a defense attorney before a trial begins.

Here is a hypothetical question regarding jurisdiction: What if a Virginia jury were to find a suspect guilty of crimes committed solely in Maryland, but NOT guilty of crimes alleged to have been committed in Virginia? A specific example of this might be finding Lloyd guilty of assisting in the abduction in Maryland but not guilty of transporting the girls to Virginia.

Regarding the Death Penalty; Lloyd Welch would certainly be tried as an adult, since he did reach his 18th birthday in December 1974 (He just turned 60) three months before the Lyon Sisters went missing. But there would be a number of considerations in the sentencing phase IF he is convicted of a death penalty offense. The fact that he had just turned 18, and the fact that he could be shown to have had mental problems as early as 1975 would be introduced.

Although Lloyd has an extensive criminal history which includes child molestation, it is likely that those convictions could NOT be included in the sentencing phase because they all occurred AFTER 25 March 1975 (See the thread on Fred Coffey which includes such a legal precedent decision).

That said, holding the prospect of the Death Penalty over Lloyd Welch's head might influence his (and his lawyers') trial strategy and his willingness to cooperate.
 
Jurisdiction is very important. Check out the case of John Leroy Kroll who kidnapped a 9 year old girl in 1980 in Maryland and transported her to Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Bedford, where the actual sexual assault took place. Maryland tried him for both kidnapping and assault which the courts later found to be improper for jurisdictional reasons. This is a comparison of legal circumstance.

At this point, I think I would rather see the kidnapping case tried in MD and then let VA make their case for murder in their jurisdiction--especially if the bodies have not been located. The one thing I think we can all agree on is that "WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF CASE VIRGINIA HAS FOR MURDER, BUT WE DO KNOW THE GIRLS WERE KIDNAPPED IN MARYLAND."

The other thing we don't know is what, if any, connection exists between the kidnapping of the Lyon girls and the other sexual molestations within the family, and we won't know what we don't know (at this time) UNTIL WE DO KNOW IT! What we do know is the convicted man in MD and the man now indicted in VA knew each other; and one led LE to the other. That is definitely an avenue to explore IMO.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/02/18/pa-charges-md-girls-kidnapper-with-assault/

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...lty-in-1980-Kidnapping-Assault-132359173.html

http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Superior/out/J-S27004-13m.pdf

". . .Appellant was charged in Maryland with kidnapping and first-degreesexual assault, to which he plead guilty in exchange for the State’s agreementto nolle prose a case involving the kidnapping and assault of a differentvictim. Though sentenced to life imprisonment for the first degree sexual J-S27004-13- 4 -assault count and fifteen years’ incarceration for kidnapping, to runconsecutively, Appellant successfully had his sexual assault conviction andlife sentence overturned for Maryland’s lack of territorial jurisdiction. TheState, however, successfully reinstated the kidnapping case that had beennolle prossed under the original plea agreement, extending Appellant’ssentence until 2011, at which time he completed his Maryland sentence.Because of Maryland’s decision vacating Appellant’s first-degree sexualassault conviction on jurisdictional grounds, the Commonwealth filedcriminal charges against Appellant on August 16, 2010. Charged as notedsupra, Appellant decided to plead guilty. At the guilty plea hearing, theCommonwealth presented the evidence reproduced supra, and furtherestablished that, had the case gone to trial, it was prepared to call aphysician to provide expert medical testimony that the assault in questioncould have easily caused the child’s death. N.T. at 16.At the conclusion of the Commonwealth’s presentation, Appellant,represented by counsel, acknowledged to the court that a factual basis to hispleas existed, and subsequently entered his plea. N.T. at 17-18. On March5, 2012, the court entered a sentence of 18½ years’ to 37 years’incarceration with credit for time served to begin on June 1, 2011."
 
Fred Howard Coffey, Jr. has been mentioned a number of times in this thread. He is a convicted child molester and convicted murderer of 10 year old Amanda Ray. He most certainly murdered 5 year old Neeley Smith and 8 year old Travis Shane King as well - and probably many more.

According to the North Carolina Prison Inmate Locator, Fred Coffey will be up for a Parole Hearing on 1 November 2018.

Please take the time to let your thoughts on this matter be known.

LINK:

NC DPS Offender Public Information
 
Sent email asking that he not be paroled just now.
 
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With the guilty plea conviction of Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr. many questions still remain.

Where are the girls' bodies?
What was the actual time line and circumstances?
Who were Welch's associates (and we know there were more involved)?
What is still being done to investigate? (Or does LE now consider the case closed?)
What other criminal cases are connected to the Lyon case?
Why were Prince Georges County (MD) and Washington DC investigators NOT included in the joint jurisdiction proceedings?

Welch isn't going anywhere. There should be a continuing LE interrogation of this maggot in an attempt to answer these questions. If the investigation is no longer considered "on going", then LE should not mind other investigators communicating with Welch for answers.
 
Ray Mileski's and Lloyd Welch's stories... Similarities

The Washington Post article about Lloyd Welch and his story of walking in on his uncle while in the act of molesting one of the Lyon sisters is disturbing in several ways.

As evil or as odd as it sounds (whether true or concocted), it is eeirily similar to a story related by an informant who provided information about Raymond Mileski and the Lyon sisters case about 14 years ago.

I have mentioned this in previous posts, but will restate it here. The information was received by a point-of-contact for a "missing persons" website which featured an early version of my case summary. The person who received the information spoke several times with the informant by phone. The information was relayed to me to verify and to pass on to Montgomery County Police. I was able to verify many details of what was said by the informant and I did formally pass it all on to MCP in writing.

The information was mostly second hand, but it mentioned how Raymond Mileski "walked in" on a person that he shared the rental of a building with, and caught him in the act of molesting one of the Lyon sisters. This allegedly took place somewhere in Prince Georges County, and the person named as the abductor of the Lyon Sisters did have connections to Hyattsville. I will not reveal the name of the alleged abductor, but it was not Welch. The person named had an extensive criminal background, but no previous or subsequent charges (that I could find) relating to crimes against children.

Mileski, himself, in two letters from prison stated that he knew who the abductor or the Lyon sisters was and that he had met him "in the pen" (penitentiary). He referred to this person as "C.D."

Mileski was convicted of the November 1977 murder of his son and wife inside his Suitland, Maryland home. Mileski had worked as a Kitchen Cabinet repair/renovation specialist and he had a white van to transport his cabinets and tools to and from private residences and his workshop. The informant described a separate place from Mileski's home as his workshop.

Mileski offered to provide MCP with information in return for a transfer from his Baltimore Prison to the Western Correctional facility. He was in poor health at the time and confined to a wheel chair. Whether or not MCP ever bothered to interview him, I do not know, but Mileski did get his transfer and died in the new prison a year later.

Mileski is the only potential suspect/person of interest - other than Lloyd Welch - who actually claimed to know something about the Lyon sisters and their disappearance. And there are several very close similarities.

Besides both Mileski and Welch being inmates in the Maryland prison system (Lloyd was in a Maryland prison years before his current stretch in Deleware), there is the fact that both were from Prince Georges County, MD.

Mileski had three sons, the oldest was about the same age as Lloyd Welch, Jr. Mileski was also in the habit of taking in other boys in their late teens to live in his house and to work for him in his Cabinet business. It was the last of these boys who was credited as relaying much of the information concerning Mileski and the Lyon sisters to the informant.

Another element in the Mileski story was that he allegedly helped bury the girls in a rural area in Maryland. MCP searched his former Suitland, MD house and dug up his back yard in an attempt to find evidence (just like they did on the Welch property in MD and VA).

Mileski, in his letters stated that the girls' bodies could be found in an area containing acerage, and a cabin, like a place where one might go to fish or hunt. Could he have been describing the Welch property? Or could he have been relaying something that Lloyd Welch or another inmate might have told him?

The essence of Lloyd Welch's stories seems to be one of him being in the know, but on the outside looking in at someone else who was the responsible perpetrator. He knows what happened, but had nothing whatsoever to do with it himself. At least that may be what he believes. This is almost exactly the same theme which I picked up in reading Mileski's letters. Is this all just coincidence or could there be a connection?

Clarification regarding the Mileski post...

My information regarding Mileski came from several sources.

First, I was aware of the April 1982 search of his Suitland, Maryland address from Washington Post newspaper reports. Those articles stated that Montgomery County Police (MCP) obtained information from penitentiary inmates which linked Mileski to the Lyon case. They obtained search warrants and dug small test holes in the back yard of a house at 5816 Suitland Road in Prince Georges County. MCP stated that they found only "bird bones" The articles stated that the home's former owner, Raymond R. Mileski (age 46 in 1982) was serving a 40 year sentence in the Maryland Penitentiary in Baltimore.

Further research turned up details of how, in November 1977, Mileski had shot and killed his oldest son and then his wife in the basement of their Suitland home.

I included mention of Mileski in my case summary about Sheila and Kate Lyon for a new missing person website in 1999. When that short-lived website closed, the owner transferred all his case summaries to another website which is now called Maryland Missing. The first website owner mentioned was included as the Point of Contact (POC) for the Lyon case on the Maryland Missing website.

The second source of information regarding Mileski was a confidential informant who saw the case summary on the site and contacted the POC in January 2001, with a rather long story about Mileski, much of which was second hand information. This is where the story about Mileski's "walking in" on the alleged abductor/molester came from. That alleged abductor/molester was named by the informant. It was stated by the informant that Mileski became involved with the case at the point of this alleged "walking in", and that he assisted in burying the girls in an open gravel pit area near his Suitland home (but not in his yard).

The POC was not as knowledgable of the case as I was, and so he related to me all of the information to determine if any of it could be verified before it was turned over to MCP. I was able to verify many points in the story and could tell that it was from a source different than the 1982 prison inmates. I felt that much of the information was credible and that the informant was sincere. By that I mean that the informant was honestly relaying the story as he/she heard it, and that the story contained the names of real persons and events which I could verify.

What I could NOT verify was how the origional eyewitness/source had obtained the information (connecting Mileski and the Abductor) or whether it was first hand or (farther removed) rumor/hearsay. The story about Mileski and the Lyon sisters came TO the informant on different occasions from someone close to Mileski who related at least some of the story about December 1977 (immediately after the Mileski family murders) and some of it possibly after 1982 (the property search).

I passed on all I had to the (then) MCP case officer in writing.

When the MCP case officer did not acknowledge the information or call either of us back, The website POC assumed (correctly or not) that MCP was not interested in pursuing the matter, and he took it upon himself (without informing me or MCP) to write directly to Raymond Mileski in prison.

It was from this contact that Mileski, himself, responded in writing in February of 2001.. After an initial exchange of short introductory letters, Mileski responded to detailed questions with a 15 page letter covering his version of things. It was in this long letter that he claimed to have met the abductor/murderer, whom he called "C.D." in prison. Mileski did not admit to having participated in anything, but he did claim intimate knowledge which he offered to give in return for a prison transfer. He offered vague information regarding where one might find the girls' bodies.

The MCP case officer learned of the correspondence from the prison warden and he then DID contact the POC to threaten him with charges of interferrence in an on-going investigation. It is not known if he ever collected the long Mileski letter or if he ever interviewed Mileski.

Mileski did receive the prison transfer that he wanted, but I do not know if it was as a result of any kind of testimony agreement or just a matter of course. He was in failing health and confined to a wheelchair at the time. He was actively engaged in a number of law suits in which he sued the state for a variety of things. He died in prison in 2002.

My information about Mileski is somewhat disjointed because it did not all come from the same sources. I cannot connect the name "C.D." with any other potential suspects. I have been unable to connect the person named by the confidential informant with any other potential suspects either.

The similarities that I noted in my earlier post, however, are quite disturbing. Hopefully MCP investigators did interview Mileski and if so, will review the information he might have given them.

Prison inmates are probably the worst witnesses and biggest liars available. The question will always come up regarding their reliability and motives - as well it should. I have my personal doubts about the truth of any of it (both in regard to Mileski and Welch). But when two stories, separated by so much time and distance contain so many similarities, one has to wonder.

Time and again, clues have come from Prince Georges County, Maryland and each time they were given cursory attention by MCP or explained away quickly and then ignored. This was the case with Lloyd Welch. Now, after almost 40 years, all of their efforts are focussed on Hyattsville, Maryland in Prince Georges County.

It cannot all be coincidence.

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I apologize for quoting my own two very long posts here, but I did so because the thread is very long and wanted to discuss them without a reader having to look long and hard to find them. I wrote them four years ago, but I believe that they may still be pertinent to the case today.

Lloyd Welch has been convicted of the abduction, murder, and disposal of the Lyon sisters and is serving life terms in a Virginia prison. But many questions remain unanswered, and the girls' bodies have yet to be recovered and identified.

Most accounts and statements would indicate that more persons were involved in these crimes than just Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr. who was 18 years old in March of 1975.

My posts (quoted above) suggested a possible link between Lloyd Welch, Jr. and Raymond Mileski, a convicted murderer who died in prison years ago. I pointed out then, and again today, that information linking Mileski to the Lyon Sisters sometimes came from less than accurate sources, but that much of it was confirmed or repeated by separate sources.

All of my information was written up and given to Montgomery County Police Investigators and Cold Case Officers. They, in turn, checked it out. I do not know to what extent they looked into the information, or what further information they were able to glean from it.

I do know that it was their comparison of the Mileski information with information in their files on Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr. that led them to begin conversations with him in Delaware where he was imprisoned.

A strong enough case against Welch was made to convict him (he plead guilty) of kidnapping and murder. But even he has claimed at various times that OTHERS were involved. Who were they? He named (at various times) other members of his family. But was there a more extensive network of offenders at work? If so, who were they? Where are they today? Can connections be made and proven?

Note that from recent news accounts, reference is made to Welch keeping a girl or girls prisoner in the basement of his house on Baltimore Ave (Route 1) in Hyattsville, MD. And to it being the site of a murder and the dismembering of a body. Only Kate (Katherine Mary Lyon) is referred to by name. Was it possible that the girls were separated after their abduction and taken to different locations?

A witness who has never been discredited or proven false claims to have seen a girl that he believed to be Sheila Lyon bound in the back of a Station Wagon in Manassas, Virginia. It is possible that there were two separate sightings of a girl in a station wagon at that same time in early April 1975.

The Mileski story, as related by an informant in January 2001 (see above quoted posts) stated that an 18 year old boy learned from Mileski that Mileski had walked in on a partner (not named in previous posts) in the act of raping one of the Lyon girls, and that Mileski "joined him", and then later assisted in the disposal of the girl's body. And that this was one of the Lyon sisters. The informant was afraid of reprisal by the partner/alleged perpetrator and did not want to be named publicly. LE, however was given the informant's name and contact was made to gather and confirm information.

I mentioned in earlier posts that the alleged perpetrator/rapist was known to have an extensive criminal record. His name was given to LE, but I refrained from posting it publicly. I have subsequently learned that he died in the 1990's.

That person was one Marvin Pierce Peele II, born 17 March 1945. His criminal record includes such offenses as kidnapping, rape, assault, and battery, resisting arrest, drunk and disorderly, reckless driving, etc. He lived at various addresses in Prince George's County, Maryland, but he was originally from Hyattsville, Maryland (also in PG County).

He was living with a woman whose teenaged son was murdered in an unsolved case. Whether or not Peele was involved in that murder is unknown.

According to the 2001 informant, Mileski and Peele had a rented house or building in the Suitland, Maryland area where this girl was allegedly kept. It is known that Mileski had a rented workshop or warehouse just west of Route 5 which he used for his cabinet business. This location is just a mile south of two shopping centers where a "Tape Recorder Man" was seen by numerous witnesses interviewing young girls a week prior to the Lyon sisters' disappearance.

The informant stated that the body or bodies were buried in a place called "Andrew Jackson Pits" off of Suitland Road - close to Mileski's house. Today that area is extensively developed with high rise housing. There is also a school nearby called Andrew Jackson Middle School.

In 1982, Montgomery County investigators searched the backyard of Mileski's Suitland Road address for any signs of burials, but found only "bird bones". This was done following an earlier lead coming from Maryland prison inmates. As best I could ascertain at the time (2001), the two leads regarding Mileski's involvement in disposing of bodies were entirely separate accounts - but mutually supportive in certain aspects.

Mileski was convicted of the November 1977 murder of his own son (age 18) - following an argument. Mileski claimed "self defense" but shot the boy in their basement with a high power rifle. When Mileski's wife and youngest son ran down the stairs to see what had happened, Mileski turned the gun on them, killing his wife and wounding the little boy.

It was reported at the time that there had been an on-going argument in the Mileski household concerning an 18 year old "boarder" who was living in their home. That "boarder" was the source of the 2001 informant's information regarding Mileski's alleged involvement in the Lyon case.
 
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I'm trying to remember all of the discussions about Mileski on these threads over the years. seems plausible he could have been somehow involved. What seems unlikely would be the time between his claims and the years that passed before LE ultimately went to talk to LLW Jr. Have not read the book yet, although I don't have high hopes for it answering the dozens of logical questions about the case posed here by members. I do remember that Mileski had a limp because he lost a leg in a shootout with cops following a botched robbery in the 60's. Supposedly LLW Jr claims the man he saw talking to the sisters at the mall had a limp. Maybe LLW Jr knew Mileski? Need to go back through the list of questions posed here, and perhaps anybody who read the book can chime in on whether the book answers any of them. Most the book reviews say it is a rehash of the interview transcripts.
 
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This thread about "potential suspects" in the Lyon case discusses quite a few persons who, for various reasons, might have been involved in the abduction of the Lyon sisters.

Most of these individuals were just that - individual perverts who acted alone at most times. A few, however, were connected to others of similar criminal interests.

Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr. could fit in either category, but most narratives would indicate strongly that he must have been aided or assisted others in the abduction and murder of the Lyon sisters.

It is therefor of interest to go back through the list (and look at others not on the list) to see who might have fit into a scenario which involved a group of other potential suspects.

Mileski seems to fit the bill in many ways, as stated in my previous posts. However, there were a few others who have been discussed in this thread that might also bear a second look.

One who comes to mind is James Kowalski, aka "Mr. Ott". He is a convicted child molester, serving a life sentence, who was involved in child *advertiser censored* and who operated with others in a child sex trafficking ring. His name is often mentioned in connection with the unsolved disappearance of George "Junior" Burdynski. Kowalski lived at different times in Kensington, MD (where the Lyon sisters lived) and in Hyattsville, MD (where Welch lived). It would be interesting to know if Kowalski had any contact or association with Welch or any of his relations.

Another person mentioned in these threads is Leonard W. Kraisel. In 2014, he was convicted of molesting two young boys while living with a relative of Lloyd Welch. Although his defense attorneys attempted to paint his crime as a "one off" and completely "out of character", a look at his past associations and activities might prove otherwise. At one time in the 1970's, Lloyd Welch gave as his own address the one where Kraisel lived. What possible connection to the Lyon sisters or to other potential suspects might Kraisel have?

Link to 2014 story about Kraisel:

Montgomery man sentenced in Calvert sex abuse case
 
Just finished reading the Last Stone book. I would recommend to anyone who has followed this case and wants to see at least some of the loose ends tied up. I am confident that LLW Jr was indeed involved in the abduction/murder, though detectives involved in the case differ on whether he had accomplices and whether those accomplices were his father and uncle.

Teddy Welch is cleared, though his association with Leonard Kraisel is sad and tragic. In a nutshell, he was sold by his family to a child molester and that child molester was only arrested after he went on to molest the two sons of TW.

The Welch family is filled with dysfunction and abuse. Richard Welch is accused by several relatives of sexual abuse, physical assault and other acts of cruelty. To me, it's not a stretch to conclude he was involved in the Lyon sisters crime, even though he was never charged.

Readers may come away with different scenarios after finishing this book. If you read it, and again, I recommend, you may find it hard to believe anything that LLW said in the multiple interviews with MoCo police. Many with even a rudimentary knowledge of the legal system may wonder why he made the fatal mistake of not just remaining silent and lawyering up. My guess is that he felt he could push enough false information out there that would stymie the investigation while also gathering valuable intel on what was known by investigators. LLW's story changed from non-involvement, to being an observer, to having been involved with a changing cast of others who committed the crime.

I don't think the police were anxious to just convict LLW alone and call it a day. I think they tried very hard to bring anyone involved to justice, but a provable case was just not there for anyone other than LLW. Other investigators also arrived at the thought that LLW would have had an easy time kidnapping one child, but could not have acted alone with two.

It's a painful book but a well written and based on true interviews. It left me with a lot of questions on others, but did convince me of LLW's guilt.
 
Just finished reading the Last Stone book. I would recommend to anyone who has followed this case and wants to see at least some of the loose ends tied up...

… Teddy Welch is cleared, though his association with Leonard Kraisel is sad and tragic. In a nutshell, he was sold by his family to a child molester and that child molester was only arrested after he went on to molest the two sons of TW...

… It left me with a lot of questions on others, but did convince me of LLW's guilt.

Thank you for a well written review of the book. There are indeed a lot of questions still to be answered.

Teddy (TW) was only about 11 years old in 1975, and I don't think that anyone would consider him to be guilty of any wrong doing regarding the Lyon sisters. But, Lloyd Welch stated that his cousin Teddy was in the car that the girls were put into at Wheaton Plaza.

If Teddy was then in the custody of Leonard Kraisel, one might conclude that Kraisel could have been involved with the abduction of the girls.

As you point out, Lloyd Welch is a liar and told many differing and conflicting stories - but the bit about 11-year-old Teddy being in the car seems to be just extra "detail" thrown into his story, rather than an accusation of the boy being a willing participant or guilty of a crime.

Lloyd might have included Teddy's presence in the car in response to an investigator's question, "were there any other witnesses to this?" Remember, Lloyd was trying at first to come across as only a witness himself.

But if Teddy was actually present and in the car, where was Kraisel?
 
Kraisel wasn't present and Teddy Welch had two arms in a cast at the time of the abduction. LLW made allegations that he was scared of Teddy and that Teddy was older at the time of the abduction. Later he admitted that Teddy was simply a scapegoat.

The fact that Teddy became involved with Kraisel is explained with detail in the book, and it happened several years after 1975. I came away with it being a gross coincidence and a symptom of the sick worlds that collided with the Welch family. The police are sure that Kraisel is not their guy. In fact, they started questioning LLW with the suspicion that he knew or saw Ray Mileski at the mall that day and only focused on Welch after a few strange statements.

If you read the book, I think you will arrive at Richard Welch and possibly Lee Welch (Lloyds father) being the others involved.

I believe LLW is guilty, but I also believe he has used his knowledge to game the correctional system and detectives for things important to a 60 year who will never get out of prison. He gets fast food ( a treat compared to prison fare) and gets to be the center of attention while interviewed.

I suspect detectives are still holding on hope he will divulge more information. He may be staggering and delaying the release of any knowledge to hold cards and advantage.

Also, the detectives may know much more than they disclosed to the author Mark Bowden. I would not rule out a further indictment or revelation in this case by any means.
 
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I just finished reading the book last night. It was riveting. It really hit home with me because my sister and I are two years apart, like the Lyon sisters, and our first names are the same as the Lyon girls' names. We went to shopping centers together many times at the same age as the Lyon girls were when they went missing. And this was roughly the same era. It was eerie, to say the least.

The way I understood the whole Teddy Welch scenario is that when the detectives first interviewed LLW, he immediately mentioned Teddy and and "older man." The detectives discovered that the "older man" LLW was referring to must have been Lenny Kraisel. When the detectives discovered that Kraisel wasn't in Teddy's life yet at that time and told LLW, LLW used part of that story, dropped Kraisel but still maintained that Teddy was in the car. Every time the detectives would tell LLW that whatever story he was telling couldn't be true, LLW would hold on to part of his old story and weave a new tale. This reweaving went on for the nearly two years he was being questioned. He dropped Teddy out of the picture later on when the detectives said there was proof that Teddy had recently broken both arms which were in a cast.

I share the frustration that all the guilty parties haven't been brought to justice. But it's amazing that 40 years after the fact, with no DNA and with very little physical evidence and no bodies, that the detectives were able to get a confession out of the LLW, after years of his lies and misdirections. Hopefully, he will confess more of the story when he's ready to ask for some favors.
 
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I just finished reading the book last night. It was riveting. ...
... Hopefully, he will confess more of the story when he's ready to ask for some favors.

I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment that Welch might offer more information when he is ready to ask for favors. He certainly has shown no compassion or remorse for his actions, and it is doubtful if he ever will.

He might offer BS (for a price) to anyone who will listen. At this point, he would not have anything to lose by telling more, implicating others, or by revealing where the girls' bodies are located. He has already been convicted of their murders and can't be tried again.

BUT... trade for favors? He has already proven that point. Remember that when he first came forward on 1 April 1975 he offered information in return for a $7,000 reward published that day in the newspapers.

My feeling is that he was only a part of a larger scheme that led to the abduction and deaths of the girls, and that he felt he might be able to enrich himself by implicating others. Had he been the lone/sole perpetrator, he might not have been so bold.

Another way to get him to talk might be to pursue other avenues and suspects, and then get him to talk about what others are "saying" about him.
 
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LLW still feels important and that he has an ace in hole as far as info goes. He has made financial demands to the author of Last Stone and completely understands he could probably manipulate his way into the maximum security prison of his choice as well as occasional treat fast food meals and attention. He can play a long game. Any prisoner serving a sentence as long as his has patience.

The writer details the frustration of the detectives who remain split about specifics but all agree LLW abducted the sisters and they were killed in the basement of the home at 4714 Balt. Ave. The detectives theories differ on whether LLW acted alone, if he had help from now deceased wife Helen, his uncles, his father.

When LLW was first interviewed, he was unaware that ex=wife Helen Craver had died. Because the initial interview focused on a different suspect, Mileski, the investigators revealed Helen was deceased. They later came to regret that, as they suspected she may have at least had info regarding LLW whereabouts. behavior or even been an ear or eyewitness to the crime or confession. If they had let LLW assume Helen was alive and had been a potential witness against him, LLW may have given a very different set of stories.
 
Welch would no doubt have altered his stories somewhat based on what he perceived might be to his own benefit regarding the death of Helen Craver.

So little is known about her. Was she completely ignorant of Lloyd's tendencies? Did she know, but say nothing? Was she intimately involved in his crimes? Probably no one knows except Lloyd Welch, and he isn't likely to be truthful about it.

As you point out, investigators first wanted to ask about Mileski and may have been trying to connect him and Welch. I wonder what Welch said about Mileski and if he even admitted knowing him or any of Mileski's associates.

It was noted during MCP interrogation of Welch, that the Washington Post and a major radio station were contacted by police to see if they would still honor a $7,000 reward first offered on 1 April 1975 for information leading to the recovery of the Lyon Sisters. It was this reward that Lloyd Welch had attempted to get on 1 April 1975 when he approached a security guard at Wheaton Plaza offering information on the girls' disappearance. The letters obtained by police from the Newspaper and Radio station were no doubt shown to Welch to convince him that he could still claim that reward by giving them information.
 
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With Mileski and his claims, the initials C.D. came up.

In a post in one of the threads here just in the last several months, someone noted that the initials C.D. came up in other circumstances as well.

Does anyone remember what the other circumstances are? I am not remembering and I haven't found the post despite continued searching. Just been bugging me since I hate forgetting things. Thank you!
 
With Mileski and his claims, the initials C.D. came up.

In a post in one of the threads here just in the last several months, someone noted that the initials C.D. came up in other circumstances as well.

Does anyone remember what the other circumstances are? I am not remembering and I haven't found the post despite continued searching. Just been bugging me since I hate forgetting things. Thank you!

I also saw the post you refer to about "C.D." and like you, was wondering if there was another reference besides my earlier posts quoting Mileski's letter(s).

I quoted exactly what Mileski wrote; specifically "C.D." but I was never able to connect those initials to any specific individual or complete name. It is possible that Mileski simply made them up in his letter and later revealed the true name to police under their questioning. Or they might have stood for some prison nickname, as he claimed to have met the person "in the pen" (his words - meaning in prison).

It would certainly be interesting to know if Mileski and Welch were both at Jessup Prison at the same time and if they had any contact there.
 

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