Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #90

[TL4S]

I understand, however, this gait, IMHO, is not due to wonky boards. It literally jumped out at me because I am very close to 2 people who walk like this due to loss of femur bone (injury) and one leg shorter being shorter than the other. Being around them for over 35 years and seeing this particular movement thousands of times, I suspect right leg injury. You can see him use his hip to raise his thigh and knee high in order to plant his foot which does appear to have a slight drop.

I think there are 3 of us who noticed it and came to the same conclusion based on experience. We may be wrong, but it is easily recognized by those who live with it, so we mention it as it may be a clue.

If there was a gait issue, it would make the suspect more unique for sure.

 

[kkdj]

Did the searchers on the 14th have to show ID and sign in?

 

[fred&edna]

Some of these predators get off on the thrill of subduing more than one victim at once. It isn't always there "best hunt" when they come across more than one victim, but it often times doesn't turn off their "urge" to succeed. Think Westley Allan Dodd...of course his victims were younger, more apt to follow him, etc; but, his target victim was one boy, and he would (and did) forgo his initial plan to satisfy his needs if there were more. This takes a special kind of sicko with a significant plan, IMO ,not something that is decided at the last minute. We don't see this as often, but there are more perps with this type of MO then we know....MOO

Wesley Allan Dodd... Influenced my feelings on the death penalty.

 

[sunsetbeach]

Good point about the hair. when I see the new sketch hair, I see
thick and curly like someone half Hispanic or half African American. Not sure that's what the artist wanted to portray but
the hair doesn't seem like regular straight hair. moo.

I see thick curly hair as well (in the new sketch).

I have both but I’m Native American/European.
I get my hair from my Dads side which is European. Curly hair is found in several nationalities.

 

[MistyWaters]

Interesting to choose “abandoned” versus parked...

NBC has the building abandoned which would make more sense as it was apparently vacant. I wonder, is the abandoned vehicle a misquote? I listened to the press release but I don’t remember the exact reference. Does anyone?

“He said investigators were looking for tips on a vehicle parked next to an abandoned building near Hoosier Heartland Highway the day the girls went missing.”
Man suspected of murdering teen girls in 2017 has close community ties

 

[JillR]

Looks like this generated a great response from the public with over 1000 tips in 24 hours.

DELPHI, Ind.-- After the release of a new sketch, additional audio and new video in the investigation of the 2017 murders of Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi, Indiana State Police (ISP) say more than 1,000 new tips came in within 24 hours. Delphi Teens Homicide | FOX59

WOW!!

 

[SAMS]

Wesley Allan Dodd... Influenced my feelings on the death penalty.

One of the most vile serial killers I've researched.

 

[Madison418]

Has anyone mentioned the prosecutor coming back to be re-sworn in a few days ago?

Delphi prosecutor leaving office with 2 high-profile cases unsolved | Indiana | Journal Gazette


Case Search - MyCase (in case that link dies, search mycase.in.gov for his name. April 10, 2019 he was sworn in

This is very very interesting. Makes me hopeful

 

[JillR]

I see thick curly hair as well (in the new sketch).

I have both but I’m Native American/European.
I get my hair from my Dads side which is European. Curly hair is found in several nationalities.

The new sketch looks like someone biracial to me. Even just slightly.

 

[kkdj]

This is very very interesting. Makes me hopeful

Yes. I believe they are very near.

 

[Boxer]

Yikes. This photo is unsettling.

Unfortunately, the hand in the pocket
while crossing seems to the norm with men must help with balance

The new sketch looks like someone biracial to me. Even just slightly.

Or German ancestry, lots have
curly stiff hair.

 

[ab01]

So he watched the family and LE try to find the girls...

BBM bc there has been a lot of confusion about the ISP saying the wrong date and later correcting it
the vehicle was parked in the parking lot of the abandoned Delphi DFS building on February 13th from 12-5. I'm not sure what time the actual search started.

 

[Suglo]

This was reported by at least 2 reporters who tweeted it before
the pc started. One said family was 'angry' and other said 'in tears'.

But that is their opinion of what they saw. There is no evidence that the families were “angry.” Upset - yes as evinced by their tears.

 

[JillR]

Thank you. I didn't catch the part about cameras at all times.

You can believe without a doubt every person is being analyzed by professional body language expert/psychologist etc.

 

[pepper 34]

That large nose and the goatee we've been looking at for 2 years could easily be a prosthetic nose or partial nose (just the bridge of the nose) and phony facial hair affixed with medical grade prosthetic adhesive, imo. He could have changed the color of his hair or worn a wig. He seems to be limping although it's hard to be sure because of the brevity of the stride sample... but, if he is limping, is that faked or something he couldn't hide because it's real? I hope LE knows.

This reminds me of the I-5 killer, Randall Woodfield who:

"During his robberies, assaults, and killings, Woodfield typically concealed his identity by wearing a hoodie, a fake beard, and most curiously, a strip of athletic tape across his nose. Police believe Woodfield may have done so to obscure his features and prevent victims from identifying him in a police lineup." (from wikipedia)

I agree with those who notice a strong resemblance between the 2 sketches.

I also agree with those who say BG used an authoritative. assertive persona to intimidate the girls. In reality, people are not supposed to walk across that bridge and maybe he pretended he was some rail road guy who was in charge and was going to escort them from the area. ...Told them they could not walk back across the bridge so.... go down the hill to the road beneath the bridge and walk out of the park that way. Of course, he followed them "to make sure they did as they were told." Maybe once he had them down there out of any possible sight of or help from anyone, he pulled out a weapon.

 

[JillR]

But that is their opinion of what they saw. There is no evidence that the families were “angry.” Upset - yes as evinced by their tears.

Maybe it is because they recognize the person.

 

[8771]

If he saw the the suspected murderer in the audience, he could react in such a way?

I'm trying to come up with scenarios that would illicit such an emotional response to this pre-planned PC with potentially 2 year old information. Again, even if the info was just pieced together and decided upon sharing in a PC, LEO would be privy to that info for at LEAST over the weekend (PC was announced late last week, yeah?). I'm not trying to downplay the enormity of this tragedy in any way; I'm touched to see that these LEOs appear to be very invested in this case, but again, I'm having a hard time thinking something didn't JUST rattle his emotions loose.

The idea of LE believing in a suspect enough to be emotionally shaken by the idea, yet not having enough evidence for a DA to grant an arrest AND seeing the suspect present at the PC just sounds too much like a thrilling fiction ... but seriously ... what else could have hurt that man the way it did?

I know it's not unheard of for perps to follow their cases closely and even appear at PCs, but I feel like it's a revelation typically known after an arrest is made vs a face they know and are speaking to without the ability to arrest ...

The only other scenario that makes some sense to me is that the sketch resembles someone close to the family that they were able to recognize pretty immediately. I could absolutely see how a horrific revelation among the family would really rattle LE to see the victims' families torn apart by another painful chapter in their tragedy. Whether they were to believe this sketch/recognizable person actually had to do with it could also be a reason for everyone to be upset and/or excuse themselves. Perhaps they recognize the sketch - potentially always recognized this sketch if they had somehow seen it 2 years ago - but are unwilling to believe it's true. Perhaps they weren't willing to stand by while LE released this image of someone they believe is innocent.

Idk ... moo ... thanks for this forum. This case has shook me from Day 1 and I do love hearing everyone's opinions. I feel too far from the epicenter to ever be able to help in any real way, but throwing angles out there for investigation may help someone somewhere connect some dots.

 

[MesquiteO21]

I see thick curly hair as well (in the new sketch).

I have both but I’m Native American/European.
I get my hair from my Dads side which is European. Curly hair is found in several nationalities.

this discussion about the hair and ethnicity is interesting and could potentially be useful, depending on the demographics of Delphi. Curly hair is a dominant trait, but how common is it in Delphi? I have extremely curly/wavy hair but was adopted into a family that has stick straight hair, and growing up the majority of my peers also had stick straight hair. People I wasn't friends with in school even knew OF me because of my hair and would say things like 'oh you mean the girl with the ugly poofy hair?' There are people who definitely know who this person is; IMO the sketch doesn't look like just any old small town Joe.

 

[apples12]

When LE said, "Please be patient, we are just beginning..." I truly believe he KNOWS who the suspect is, however they need to gather additional evidence to make an arrest. They are "just beginning" that process.

 

[MistyWaters]

Maybe it is because they recognize the person.

If this sketch has been in existence for two years I’d be really surprised, astounded actually, if LE didn’t show it to the families long ago for a possible ID. Investigations always begin by seeking information from those closest to the victims.