Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #91

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This a.m. I asked all of you about HIS facial features because they released a new (to us) HUGE face shot for a reason. And they declared THIS IS THE KILLER.... They also said DISREGARD the way he steps b/c that is due to the nature of the bridge. So focus on the face and not his gait... I have had to sit with a police sketch artist and it is grueling. They draw, erase, draw again, they show you different eyes, noses, etc.. AND in the end, ON PAPER there is an accurate face looking at you. A face that was only in your head/memory. It is absolutely amazing. (A suspected killer came into my line at 2:00 a.m for bus fare change at a grocery store that I worked at when I was 18) I was continually called into court for 20 years while he was in jail. FYI, stepping forward as a witness is scary and NOT easy ... we should be happy that we have this composite! It may in the end have some small errors BUT I believe it looks VERY ACCURATE and like someone that MANY “Delphians” recognized on Monday...
 
Is there an image available online somewhere of the physical flier that they handed out at the press conference?
 
IMO, the murderer is nowhere near 18 years old (would’ve made him 16 at time of crime). Again, simply listening to his voice tells us he’s closer to 40 than 18. Which brings me to my next point, a younger person would have trashed the cell phone. I think we’re dealing with an older man, maybe he does have a baby face? But I feel certain that the mans hips, gait are not that of a younger person. In addition, the jeans are a lighter fade and not something younger people typically wear. I have family in this area and drive through Delphi frequently. Now it is definitely a blue collar area, but I’m going to say that the clothes put the perp closer to 40.
 
This a.m. I asked all of you about HIS facial features because they released a new (to us) HUGE face shot for a reason. And they declared THIS IS THE KILLER.... They also said DISREGARD the way he steps b/c that is due to the nature of the bridge. So focus on the face and not his gait... I have had to sit with a police sketch artist and it is grueling. They draw, erase, draw again, they show you different eyes, noses, etc.. AND in the end, ON PAPER there is an accurate face looking at you. A face that was only in your head/memory. It is absolutely amazing. (A suspected killer came into my line at 2:00 a.m for bus fare change at a grocery store that I worked at when I was 18) I was continually called into court for 20 years while he was in jail. FYI, stepping forward as a witness is scary and NOT easy ... we should be happy that we have this composite! It may in the end have some small errors BUT I believe it looks VERY ACCURATE and like someone that MANY “Delphians” recognized on Monday...

In your experience, how much attention is paid to symmetry of the face (or lack of symmetry) when doing sketches? For example, if one side is slightly different than the other, is that purposeful or just artist error?
 
Nicole Bowen was found in a shack not to far from delphi, they arrested five people and are awaiting DNA testing
Interesting. Hopefully the quote works this time for me. I was wondering if shack was his name, or nickname, obviously it could be referencing a hut or the book or the film. I’ll try to read More about Nicole Bowen unfortunately the two links you provided won’t work in my country but Thankyou anyway
 
Anxiety can be pretty obvious, though.
Exactly. If this was a crime of opportunity and this guy just got lucky with how the circumstances played out, he may not have that sociopathic or psychopathic confidence. He could be living in fear and compounding on that can help. If he is a Socio/pyschopath, than no matter what LE does, the guy is gonna be cold as ice. Since he hasn't toyed with police it's likely this wasn't about attention but the gratification he got from the actual act.
 
Been reading this morning on Profiles of Murderers
interesting tidbits-
first time murderers tend to kill close to home;
Murderers are profoundly damaged psychologically and are driven
by devastating histories of trauma- abuse, domestic violence and
by other perils of childhood.
The scene of crime can give much info on type of killer-
was he an "Organized" killer, scene left reasonably orderly- these
tend to be higher educated, more intelligent. Pre-planned crime. Brought needed tools w/ him. Much forethought.


"Disorganized killer leaves chaos and disorder at scene- more
impulsive crime, less planning, used tools available at scene,
lower educated, blue collar or semi-skilled job.

How were victim's bodies left? Sometimes positioning of victims
can lead to motive or give hints about perp. Hands in praying
position can indicate religious affiliation. (was this why Carter
had so much religious talk during pc?)

Motive- were victims sexually assaulted? Were they beaten or
bodies mutilated? POWER was mentioned. Was this a generic
comment or related to method of killing?

I'll be back with more. wish we could get an FBI profile.

Its gotta be hard for even a profiler not connected to the case to come up with anything but the basics. Without any details of method, etc. I think he was out hunting and saw opportunity. I just wonder about picking 2 victims in their early teens. Was this seen as a challenge to him?
 
IMO, the murderer is nowhere near 18 years old (would’ve made him 16 at time of crime). Again, simply listening to his voice tells us he’s closer to 40 than 18. Which brings me to my next point, a younger person would have trashed the cell phone. I think we’re dealing with an older man, maybe he does have a baby face? But I feel certain that the mans hips, gait are not that of a younger person. In addition, the jeans are a lighter fade and not something younger people typically wear. I have family in this area and drive through Delphi frequently. Now it is definitely a blue collar area, but I’m going to say that the clothes put the perp closer to 40.
Profilers say first time murderers are generally in their 20's and 30's.
 
Bumping this transcript to comment about the "noon to five" car parking/abandonment. I don't believe LE means the car was parked there from exactly 12 to 5. They said "between" 12 and 5. So really anytime within that time frame. Yesterday I went to the dr. between the hours of 3 and 8. The time I actually spent there was more like 5:20 - 6. Not sure this matters, much, but I'm seeing people take the 12-5 "literally" and I don't think that's what was meant. Just my opinion.

April 22 Press Conference transcript:

<news announcer>
Doug Carter and he has taken the stand. We'll take a listen in.

<audio cuts in to Superintendent Carter>
... the Delphi community how grateful I am you inspire people you don't even understand and you don't even understand why. Information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours of extraordinary investigative efforts by Delphi Carroll County, the FBI, the Indiana State Police and countless other agencies. This community surrounded us some twenty six months ago and you did everything you could to support us but most importantly you surrounded the family of these two little girls. Gosh I'll never forget it. After you hear what we're going to release today I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this and we will.

We're seeking the public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland highway between the hours of noon to 5:00 on February 14th 2017. If you were parked there or know who was parked there please contact the officers at the command post at the Delphi city building.

We are releasing additional portions of the audio recorded from that day. Please keep in mind the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is not two different people speaking. Please listen to it very, very carefully. We are also releasing video recovered from Libby's phone. This video has never before been previously released. The video shows a suspect walking on the bridge. When you see the video watch the watch the person's mannerisms as they walk. Watch the mannerisms as he walks. Do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might know? Remember he is walking on a former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties.

During the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary as of today. The result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch which you will see shortly is the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls. We also believe this person is from Delphi. Currently or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis or works here. We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40 but might appear younger than its true age.

Directly to the killer who may be in this room. We believe you are hiding in plain sight. For more than two years you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy but we have. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. And one day you will.

The question to you: what will those closest to you think of they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls, two children? Only a coward would do such a thing.

We are confident that you have told someone what you have done or at the very least they know because how different you are since the murders. We try so hard to understand how a person could do something like this to to two chil to two children. I recently watched a movie called The Shack and there's also a book that talks so well about evil, about death and about eternity. To the murderer I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left and I can assure you that how you left them in that woods is not, is not what they are experiencing today.

The family. I hope that you all will give them some time because we're going to be asking that there's no media inquiry or no media response for at least the next two weeks and I hope you understand why. The family found out about this about this information this morning. I just want the family to know that when I take my last breath on this earth I'll be thinking of them. There's going to be a tremendous amount of <unintelligble> I know that. I know that. Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this. Please be patient with us. Please. We're just beginning. We are we are just now beginning. That I can tell you on behalf of the sheriff and the police chief so many other partners that have stood with us over this period of time that we will not stop.

-- Other officer ..
I just unveiled the person that we believe responsible for the murder of these two little girls so I invite media to take a look at that now. Kim.

We're also going to show you a video not previously released that superintendent spoke to and also the audio that's additional to what's been previously released. It's only a slight change in it. So give Sergeant Riley just a second as he gets that up and ready.
<plays audio>
Stand by for the video please. There is no sound of the video.
<plays video> As Superintendent Carter mentioned. He is on the railway bridge. You have to take different steps to get to it. This information later this afternoon will be on the state police website. For the community that's here we have 100 copies of the news release. If you put in that URL you'll be able to get to that site to play it. And we also have that same release for you in the media and the rest of the state we'll get that released in about 15 minutes. So we appreciate those of you that came here. This concludes our announcement. Thank you for your time patience and courtesy.
<end>


Apologies if this was already posted.

Indiana State Police releases clarification points on Delphi murder suspect

  • A car was parked in the abandoned CPS building parking lot between the hours of noon and 5:00 p.m. on February 13, 2017
    • We are looking for anyone who could give a description of vehicles that were in the parking lot during the time
  • The location of the abandoned CPS building was 6931 West 300 North, Delphi, IN
    • The building has since been demolished and the lot is vacant
  • The Multi-Agency Task Force is seeking tips and information about how the subject depicted in the sketch is linked to the Delphi area.
    • The Task Force is not asking for investigative suggestions
    • Tips on the suspect sketch are our main interest
 
Its gotta be hard for even a profiler not connected to the case to come up with anything but the basics. Without any details of method, etc. I think he was out hunting and saw opportunity. I just wonder about picking 2 victims in their early teens. Was this seen as a challenge to him?
Yes good question and why early teens? Easier to control? Naive
victims? Did he pre-plan this trap on the bridge? probably, imo.
 
In your experience, how much attention is paid to symmetry of the face (or lack of symmetry) when doing sketches? For example, if one side is slightly different than the other, is that purposeful or just artist error?
Because of my personal experience and interest, I have studied composites next to the actual photo of caught/convicted criminals. Most have about 95% of the detailed features exactly correct.
 
Profilers say first time murderers are generally in their 20's and 30's.

30 is closer to 40 than 18. In addition, as we know nothing about this perp, we can’t say if this was his first murder.
 
Exactly. If this was a crime of opportunity and this guy just got lucky with how the circumstances played out, he may not have that sociopathic or psychopathic confidence. He could be living in fear and compounding on that can help. If he is a Socio/pyschopath, than no matter what LE does, the guy is gonna be cold as ice. Since he hasn't toyed with police it's likely this wasn't about attention but the gratification he got from the actual act.

If he ponders the comments, who knows, he may commit suicide. He got away with his actions, for two years. Every moment, 24/7 he must wonder.....is today the day?
The “what will they think of you” comment has to give him pause. Jmo
 
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Take a look at this and share what you think

Arrest made, charges filed in Newton County murder

I took a look.
Wow. Thank you for this.
No MSM on the ties to Delphi but he is definitely to be looked at.
Tortured a woman named Nicole Bowen in a shack then killed her, occurred near Lafayette. your cited article 4/5/19

Someone here astutely noticed the old Delphi district attorney sworn in again this month by the new one.
 
My consolidated theory.

The killer was telling the girls that he needed their help down the hill in order
to throw off their threat detection, he wanted to appear vulnerable. " Guys I need your help, my wife is hurt down the hill, my dog is hurt down the hill, my truck needs a push start down the hill, I will give you $50 each"
he threw one of the girls off the a the lower, descending part of the bridge in order
to order to gain control of the other while the she was shocked; most likely in a moment of opportunity.
His hat is a hunting/winter cap with ear flaps or a real tree regular baseball cap. He is wearing carpenter pants, a double layered jacket (one that you can unbutton the second layer). He has a mustache, he has Caucasian features and possibly uses chewing tobacco.
He is clean, he might have been on his lunch break, working close by and living in one of the smaller towns of the area. He lives in such a setting and lives his life in such a manner that either his peers are miscreants and don't talk to the police, or he is liked and level headed enough to not throw up any flags. The pho
Does someone have the transcript of the PC handy?
The full transcript is in post #9 of this thread. :)
 
But he was arrested in April 5. Why give a press conference if u know the guy is in jail??

I would think every male booked in any surrounding county jail is cleared by ISP. Do yeah, why would they hold PC.
 
RULES OF THIS DISCUSSION

DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

*per Tricia
 
I'm think about the timing of all of this. Middle of the day on a weekday, when most adult men would be working (depending on shift). I know the obvious answer is he worked at the school, therefore he also had the day off. But I'm considering other jobs that might offer a person middle of the weekday freedom. Railroad worker (night or weekend shift)? It was Feb., the off-season, so farmers, landscapers, etc?

To me, I feel this was specific to those girls, but I think only because he saw the opportunity. I'm very curious if BG saw the girls get dropped off, or saw the sister drive by with the girls and a minute later without, so assumed they'd been dropped at the trail? But then why was he in that area with his car? There's a farm implement and supply store between where the car was parked, and where the girls were dropped off. IDK.

I feel BG is a nobody. If he was prominent in the community, the witnesses would have recognized him, there would have been a reaction in the room when the sketch was revealed, etc. JMO
 
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