Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #92

[TTF14]

Date is wrong. The article with no link is from 2017.

OK thanks. I'm disregarding that whole post.

 

[MistyWaters]

Who decided to disregard the sketch two years ago, I wonder...

I don’t know but considering the investigation is conducted by a multi-agency task force, I’d think it’d be more than one person.

 

[Gumbeaux]

The new sketch reminds me of Ben Savage from the 90s show Boy Meets World.

Wait, do you have a link? If you are naming him as a POI, you’ll need to use his initials: BS.

(thought we could use a half grin while sorting through nightmares)

 

[indycindy]

Oops, I got ready to tell you, unaware it is off limits.
If Libby went often, Abby prob did, sounds like they were inseparable.

Oh shoot...I remember now off limits.............sorry

 

[QCD893]

striped T-shirt under coat?

 

[sunsetbeach]

Thank you for correcting me, Sunset! I hate when things get legs on misinformation. Which leads us to FSG talking to Libby's dad and if that could be his sketch.
Moo, Moo

I’m not sure if he actually saw BG, I just know he was there that day and DG spoke to him at the crossroads as FSG was headed to the Freedom Bridge.

I think BG was near that crossroads section when the girls arrived.

 

[Dovvey]

It looks to me like BG is wearing glasses...does anyone else see this, or are my eyes deceiving me? Like the kind where the top portion of the glasses is a dark frame, but the bottom portion is just the lens, so you’d only notice the top part in the video. Maybe we’ve been mistaking what is actually the top part of his glasses for a darker, bushier eyebrow?

 

[fred&edna]

It all depends how he killed them.

If this was strangulation, then I’d definitely expect it.

Anything else, then it’s less likely.

I agree.

I think it's also possible for DNA evidence if they were stabbed... But, I suppose, if killer wore gloves and there was no "break-through"... no DNA. Same with s/assault, I suppose.

 

[teeandcee]

I'm miles aware and thinking, when walking my little dog, or in the house, I have no means of protection if attacked and avoid deserted areas.
These horrid cases perhaps make us more vigilant, and we tend to notice our surroundings more.
These young girls didn't stand a chance where they were, and I would think such trails are now not frequently used: perhaps hike in groups, with adults being present.
I hope 'being more vigilant' is broadcast everywhere as these creeps may be around.
MOO.

You can by shocker things online. I have one. It will knock an adult male to the floor. I take it with me often. Edited to say the sound alone is frightening enough to scare off most people.

 

[Chartini]

Long-time lurker, first time commenter. I hereby affirm that the following statements are MOO.

I firmly believe the killer was someone the girls met online. Perhaps that trail was their prearranged meeting place, unbeknownst to the family member who dropped them off. When the girls realized he wasn't who he presented himself to be online, they tried to separate themselves from him but he arrived there with other plans and their fate was sealed. Evidence was recovered from Libby's phone, so we can assume it was accessible. But what about Abby's phone? What if her phone contains vital clues and conversations leading up to that meeting? If it's an iPhone with an unknown passcode, even the FBI wouldn't be able to unlock it.

Apple vs FBI: All you need to know

I only speak on this point because of similar things my friends and I did when we were young and naive 14 years ago as MySpace and "online profiles" became popular. Luckily we always met these "online friends" at the mall or other public places, but our parents had no idea what we were really up to when they were dropping us off. It makes my skin crawl to think about how trusting we were of complete strangers we "knew" from an online profile.
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Regarding "The Shack", I believe that's tied to a false alibi given to LE early on. "Can you account for ________'s whereabouts on the afternoon of the 13th?"... "Yes, he was at home with me"... "What did the two of you do that day?"... "We watched a movie"... "What movie?"... "'The Shack'". Perhaps LE is looking at the person who provided that alibi and saying, "You're full of $h!t and we know it. Come up off it."

The foregoing statements are MOO.

 

[Kitsey]

Wait, do you have a link? If you are naming him as a POI, you’ll need to use his initials: BS.

(thought we could use a half grin while sorting through nightmares)

I actually considered adding a disclaimer that I don’t suspect Ben Savage, the actual person! Just throwing it out there in case anyone has ever thought, hey, doesn’t so-and-so resemble Cory from that old TV show?

 

[indycindy]

It came from the phone from one of the victims (Libby). It was recovered and this was on it. It's only a small portion of what was actually on the phone that was released to the public. Law Enforcement has said they have a lot more they will not release to the public.

Yes

 

[ab01]

striped T-shirt under coat?

Is this like a Wheres Waldo? Bc I still don't see him.....MOO

 

[QCD893]

It looks to me like BG is wearing glasses...does anyone else see this, or are my eyes deceiving me? Like the kind where the top portion of the glasses is a dark frame, but the bottom portion is just the lens, so you’d only notice the top part in the video. Maybe we’ve been mistaking what is actually the top part of his glasses for a darker, bushier eyebrow?

It almost looks like an eye patch on the right eye, with a hat like a pirate's hat and a backpack ...

 

[PommyMommy]

Welcome to Websleuths, @Dovvey and @Chartini.

 

[TTF14]

Long-time lurker, first time commenter. I hereby affirm that the following statements are MOO.

I firmly believe the killer was someone the girls met online. Perhaps that trail was their prearranged meeting place, unbeknownst to the family member who dropped them off. When the girls realized he wasn't who he presented himself to be online, they tried to separate themselves from him but he arrived there with other plans and their fate was sealed. Evidence was recovered from Libby's phone, so we can assume it was accessible. But what about Abby's phone? What if her phone contains vital clues and conversations leading up to that meeting? If it's an iPhone with an unknown passcode, even the FBI wouldn't be able to unlock it.

Apple vs FBI: All you need to know

I only speak on this point because of similar things my friends and I did when we were young and naive 14 years ago as MySpace and "online profiles" became popular. Luckily we always met these "online friends" at the mall or other public places, but our parents had no idea what we were really up to when they were dropping us off. It makes my skin crawl to think about how trusting we were of complete strangers we "knew" from an online profile.
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Regarding "The Shack", I believe that's tied to a false alibi given to LE early on. "Can you account for ________'s whereabouts on the afternoon of the 13th?"... "Yes, he was at home with me"... "What did the two of you do that day?"... "We watched a movie"... "What movie?"... "'The Shack'". Perhaps LE is looking at the person who provided that alibi and saying, "You're full of $h!t and we know it. Come up off it."

The foregoing statements are MOO.

Welcome, Chartini!!! As always with new members, your fresh insight is AWESOME. So glad you joined us.

 

[MsBetsy]

HUH????? This post makes no sense at all. Please clarify.

I think the second part may be from an old article, back when they searched the property. Imo

 

[pepper 34]

Definitely seemed odd that they gave a 2 week window

I think the media was asked to stay away and give the family 2 weeks... "at least 2 weeks"... to absorb all the new information in private. ... Just a courtesy, imo, extended towards 2 families who have been, and are still going through what could be described as a wide awake nightmare.

 

[Evergreen1]

The new sketch is most likely the result of some close family member or therapist of the suspect providing additional evidence. MOO

I just wanted to quickly clarify that a therapist would generally not be able to provide info regarding a case of this nature without a release of information from the client/suspect themselves. Duty to warn only applies to future acts, not to criminal behavior that happened in the past. That said, because the crime involved children, I think there could be a solid argument that confidentiality should be waived because child abuse occurred...even though the victims, who one is generally seeking to protect, are tragically deceased. It’s a tricky ethical area.

 

[Rallibella]

I’m with others in here who think that this new sketch is someone they know was there but whom they discarded due to the fact he had a reason to be there. Or perhaps he himself was a witness giving them false leads. IMHO, the police came upon something that made this suddenly become known and this press conference was their way to saying it to their suspect.