Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #95

[margarita25]

Good point, very probably had some stints in psych hospitals.

I wonder if he’s an alcoholic.

 

[Cherokee]

So many times psychological issues are not taken seriously in the Church because "they" think everything can be "prayed away."

THIS ^^^^

 

[moonlessnight]

with this kind of bone structure (jutting jaw, overbite, disproportionate bottom lip to chin), I wonder if there are Marfan/Arachnodactyly body type aspects to the suspect?

Marfan Syndrome - NORD (National Organization for Rare Disorders)


ETA "The signs and symptoms of Marfan Syndrome include:

• Disproportionately long legs, arms, toes and fingers
• Extremely tall and slender build
• Long, narrow face
• High arched neck and crowded teeth
• Indented or protruding sternum (breastbone)"

How is Marfan Syndrome Inherited|Causes, Symptoms, Life Expectancy & Treatment of Marfan Syndrome

"-Regarding the sketch, there was a lot of emphasis on the chin: lower lip to chin is disproportionate, it’s a strong, pronounced jaw that juts out. One panelist suggested an underbite.

In regards to the HLN... these were posted on another forum, which gives a good in depth view of the report."

“The Delphi Murders: Special Report - Susan Hendricks anchors a new report about the latest developments in the Delphi murders case.”

Things that stood out to me or are worth mentioning (paraphrased):

-Host says they told her they do have DNA.

-Former FBI Specialist says LE likely know the vehicle, they didn’t want to be bombarded with tips.

-Regarding the sketch, there was a lot of emphasis on the chin: lower lip to chin is disproportionate, it’s a strong, pronounced jaw that juts out. One panelist suggested an underbite.

-Criminologist, Casey Jordan, says it was brazen calling BG a coward at the press conference—this could be interpreted by BG as a challenge. She continues that they’re either close in their investigation or believe that he’s incredibly contained by public scrutiny that he won’t act out again.

-When Doug Carter mentions the book after “The Shack,” Casey Jordan believes he’s referring to the Bible. Briefly explores that maybe there’s something about him that is deemed wrong by his religion, giving the example of his sexuality, which may have something to do with why he killed. She also mentions that they’re playing on his religion by pleading with him to do the right thing—they’re going to get you, so just do the right thing.

-They discuss if this was a crime of opportunity. FBI Special Agent, Maureen O’Conell, says it’s a target-rich area. Casey Jordan says he might not be a serial killer, but all killers always have a fantasy and you don’t know when it’ll surface. Maybe his fantasy only involved one girl, but this was an opportunity.

-Hosts asked if the panel if they believe LE is close: -Certified Death Investigator is confident. -Criminologist says yes, but that if it’s not solved in the coming weeks, the press conference could’ve been a Hail Mary. -Defense Attorney believes they’re close and that the pressure is on—his time is up. -FBI Special Agents says he’s suffering and freaking out right now; believes they’ll solve the case soon; forensic genealogy is likely being utilized.

 

[spangled]

Lots of chin talk!! If I were in Delphi I would be looking pretty closely at my long chinned acquaintances right now

 

[janesmith787]

I wouldn't think it necessarily means anything. It's journalistic cliche to say it was a brutal murder, just like it's always a fiery accident if the car catches fire.

Unless I misheard, they were quoting the press conference directly and then elaborated on it. I do agree that media sometimes sensationalizes things. But, after reading enough stuff on this case (here and others,) it wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

I don’t think you get that kind of emotion from veteran LEO over just anything. Not that all murders aren’t terrible, but I think this was probably tougher than most to investigate.

Again, just my 2 cents.

 

[crhedBngr]

THIS ^^^^

Glad to see you are still posting, @Cherokee !

 

[rosesfromangels]

I’d say the hiding game is about up for THE COWARD.

Multiple LE agencies are all over it, and closing in. The media is on high alert, and thousands of irate citizens have joined the cause. We WS’ers are but a reflection of that determined Citizenry.

So what’s next? Well, law enforcement is smoking him out, and looking under all the rocks he might have slithered under. Because, of course, that’s what COWARDS do. They hide. But they’ll get him soon, and drag him in to jail for all to see! We'll cheer and we will cry, and we’ll see first hand what this COWARD looks like...and so will everyone that knows his family. They will be forever traumatized and shamed for being related to this COWARD.

I think we can just all enjoy the thought of what anxiety the COWARD must be going through right now knowing that “they” are coming for him. Soon. Too bad the COWARD doesn’t spare his family the trauma of a raid, and turn himself in.

Please join me in preparing for the bittersweet celebration that will ensure as soon as this arrest is made. You can count on it coming soon. Real soon.

God Bless Libby and Abby. Two roses born on earth, to bloom in Heaven.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[MistyWaters]

K. Jill, fascinating! Thanks for bumping it. I’m sure the whole websleuths community wasn’t buying that Good Samaritan story (the Hannah Graham case, not Delphi).

I’m assuming predators recognize each other as a fellow predator. I’m very intrigued by the theory Old Sketch Guy was a SO who was arrested and spilled some info from being on the bridge hunting that day. Surely he and BG caught on to each other.

I found this old link when sketch #1 was announced. Reading about is almost déjà vu but what I wanted to add, apparently the woman who saw this man was not on the trail, but somewhere “near”.


BBM

July 17, 2017
“Police say the sketch of the suspect is based off witness tips, including one woman who told police she saw this man near the Delphi Historic Trails the day Abby Williams and Libby German were murdered.”
Police release sketch of man accused of murdering Delphi teens Liberty German and Abigail Williams

 

[woundwarrior]

For those of us who have been here a long time...remember in the early threads there was a local reporter doing a live interview. A train was passing thru during the interview. In the clip there was someone hanging around in the background, wearing a red jacket or hoodie. This person was discussed on the thread and the thoughts were that it was a younger person so it could not be BG. We were comparing to the first sketch. Since the new sketch and reference to a younger person, and likely a local, is that clip worth another look? I am curious. I wouldn't have any idea where to find that clip.

 

[janesmith787]

Hopefully it will be posted online shortly after. Or if someone local sees this, please share details.

 

[K.jill]

K. Jill, fascinating! Thanks for bumping it. I’m sure the whole websleuths community wasn’t buying that Good Samaritan story (the Hannah Graham case, not Delphi).

I’m assuming predators recognize each other as a fellow predator. I’m very intrigued by the theory Old Sketch Guy was a SO who was arrested and spilled some info from being on the bridge hunting that day. Surely he and BG caught on to each other.

I am speculating that if old sketch guy is the new witness who sent the investigation in a new direction with a new sketch:
-investigators must have very good reason to think he is a credible witness.
-he may have seen more than just another lone male acting suspiciously, he may have witnessed the abduction.
- he did not come forward before because he was there that day for his own nefarious reasons that once he was arrested for something else he gave them information in exchange for a plea deal.
Lots of speculating on my part I know, just trying to fit some things together in my mind.

 

[elmomom]

The original sketch and the reason it was discarded is mentioned at 16:50 and again at 32:50 in the Podcast Best case Worst Case - a discussion between three former FBI agents. ‎Best Case Worst Case: 122 | Worst Case Scenario: The Delphi Murders on Apple Podcasts

 

[margarita25]

Lots of chin talk!! If I were in Delphi I would be looking pretty closely at my long chinned acquaintances right now

Ugh, again this is such a terrible place to be, to be looking at your own acquaintances like this. It’s terrifying.

For those of us who have been here a long time...remember in the early threads there was a local reporter doing a live interview. A train was passing thru during the interview. In the clip there was someone hanging around in the background, wearing a red jacket or hoodie. This person was discussed on the thread and the thoughts were that it was a younger person so it could not be BG. We were comparing to the first sketch. Since the new sketch and reference to a younger person, and likely a local, is that clip worth another look? I am curious. I wouldn't have any idea where to find that clip.

I think I recall this.

 

[carbuff]

Unless I misheard, they were quoting the press conference directly and then elaborated on it. I do agree that media sometimes sensationalizes things. But, after reading enough stuff on this case (here and others,) it wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

I don’t think you get that kind of emotion from veteran LEO over just anything. Not that all murders aren’t terrible, but I think this was probably tougher than most to investigate.

Again, just my 2 cents.

Oh, I agree that from everything we've heard, the murders were probably something we don't really want to think about.

I just don't think what that panel said is evidence. (I don't remember the press conference saying that directly. If I'm wrong, I'll take it back.)

 

[moonlessnight]

the long chin is an indicator of the potential for a variety of other issues - if it is caused by a genetic collagen disorder, the suspect may have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome and/or Marfan, making him susceptible to neurological and immune-related disorders, and a host of other issues, some of what we may be seeing in the way he walks.

I think he was covering his chin in the video with a bandana or something.

Lots of chin talk!! If I were in Delphi I would be looking pretty closely at my long chinned acquaintances right now

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I found this old link when sketch #1 was announced. Reading about is almost déjà vu but what I wanted to add, apparently the woman who saw this man was not on the trail, but somewhere “near”.


BBM

July 17, 2017
“Police say the sketch of the suspect is based off witness tips, including one woman who told police she saw this man near the Delphi Historic Trails the day Abby Williams and Libby German were murdered.”
Police release sketch of man accused of murdering Delphi teens Liberty German and Abigail Williams

Does anyone else remember? - I seem to recall someone seeing a car stopped on the side of a road and asked if they needed help, if I remember correctly the person said it was okay their Dad was coming to help.

 

[ab01]

Ugh, again this is such a terrible place to be, to be looking at your own acquaintances like this. It’s terrifying.


I think I recall this.

I bet inside that press conference was rather awkward for all in attendance......

 

[moonlessnight]

makes sense. once the sex offender was arrested and ruled out, maybe he spilled some info (under pressure) to place the focus on the second sketch.

I am speculating that if old sketch guy is the new witness who sent the investigation in a new direction with a new sketch:
-investigators must have very good reason to think he is a credible witness.
-he may have seen more than just another lone male acting suspiciously, he may have witnessed the abduction.
- he did not come forward before because he was there that day for his own nefarious reasons that once he was arrested for something else he gave them information in exchange for a plea deal.
Lots of speculating on my part I know, just trying to fit some things together in my mind.

 

[ParadoxyOddity]

Is there any footage anywhere of the crowd at the recent PC? I want to check something.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

From the HLN show. I hope DNA and Genealogy really is being done.I promise you.It will lead to her killer.It WILL.I found who my real father was by relative DNA first cousin match when no one would or could tell me who he was.DNA is so very powerful.They need to put his DNA in GEDMATCH.