I think someone was holding Shirley back and someone was holding RD back when he grabbed for her and only got handfuls of hair
I would really like to see a few reenactments, without the gory details I mean...., just referring to how it got started and up to him grabbing for her ...... its hard to imagine in my head the whole scenario.
I dont remember RD weight be he got husky from looking at pics
SD autopsy may have stated 160 but that's with bloat after death, I think articles when looking for her initially may have said around 149 ish?
I agree though, could be a simple reason for not hauling him off
I also have read how easy GSR is moved around, it was so very little on his collar, he could have been also simply HIT in the back of the head or neck causing GSR to fall on him from the gun too, Philip Hollaway mentioned to me that becuase there is GSR on him, due to be so little also, it doesnt mean he was shot
We dont know she was hauled away in daylight, the goings on in the house could have been daylight though or early morning or late evening also, so long til discovered I dont know if there was any way to know plus the garage was climate controlled so he didnt have speedy decay due to the temps which were only in the 70's someone pointed out to me
Lots of scenarios you can search out on here about how people think it played out, I think they took her out when he was trying to save her, then simultaneously he was bludgeoned, then beheaded........ I dont think he was be an easy carry either.... so they grabbed her and couldnt take him, took their DNA with his head or bullet and left, carried her down to shore somewhere from neighbors to the deepest part of cove past their dock, at night
Clearly it seems someone picked them up though, so maybe three individuals, I dont see a boat parked there all day or a car in the drive all day.......I dont think they did it all at dawn or all at dusk saturday
BUt remembering, their stomachs were empty, it takes 6-8 hours to digest food completely, so from Fri nights worked puzzles that arrived with saturdays paper on friday to dinner at 5-7,probalby all in the same time frame, puzzle after dinner......digest food 6 hours later minimum.....11pm earliest if they at at 5 pm
but SD was in day clothes so a 9 pm arrival at dark might work if they ate at 3 pm, died at 10pmish.....RD still could have been in his robe and she in her day clothes
Other scenario is if SD rose at 5pm, maybe coffee started but I dont know how that works on stomach contents or if she could have partaken, clearly no breakfast was eaten....that's dark at 5 but sunrise is 6ish am
Someone could have just dropped them off or they parked boat at the Maples home someone suggested, who was allegedly in Turkey but the perps would have had to know this if neighbor wasnt somehow involved
The man on the lawn, which I dont 100% believe due to WHAT neighbors description or lack of description and she was in Asia, the other ones are across the cove, it was said by SS he was seen THROUGH the trees they couldnt tell race or clothing or hair color, YET IT WAS a MAN.........not sure how they can know this
SO, someone had to have dropped them off, if the man on the lawn was indeed there, he was problaby waiting for the boat pickup but they aint hauling a body broad daylight either so there goes any other lawn man beliefs for me LOL
Unless the man on the lawn was family member that couldnt watch the whole garage scene in action
I'm going with someone dropped them off and picked them up
You dont want a car in the driveway of the home to be detected by anyone but stick a tag on there from another vehicle not registered in your name, drop off at dark, before the mailman, perps stay in garage before derby party in case anyone comes by to pick them up or check on them (if they know of derby party) then driver return at night to pick them up and SD.....
boat in cove would be best arriving at a dark hour and coming back at a dark hour
Coves are so dark, as long as no one is sitting on the dock, that's easy
hmm, maybe that one
sorry SO LONG! my mind kept rambling
You know, between this post and the reminder that Shirley was just as brutally killed, bludgeoned and her skull beaten in, this shifts some of my theories in this case. I am definitely going with 1) for a few reasons and this also makes me think that there possibly only was one killer, not two. And that that killer may have been of small stature or not strong. I never thought it was a woman due to the brutal nature of the crime, but one could be involved.
1. The difference in size between SD and RD must have been significant. Shirley, as many elderly women are, was probably small and light, maybe 100 pounds? Compared to RD, who looked average size right? So I do think maybe the original plan was to take them both by boat to hide evidence of the murder weapon, but they couldn't lift Russ. That does raise the question of where Shirley was killed - on the boat? I would think that it would be difficult to keep one's balance and swing a hammer or something with enough force to kill someone. We've come up with lots of complicated theories but maybe it's as simple as RD just being too heavy.
2. What do you guys believe was the order of the deaths and removal of SD and RD's head from the scene? IF Shirley wasn't killed in the house, was she taken to the boat alive? Did the killer(s) make more than one trip? If not, where was she when RD was killed, when he was beheaded? The details of how this all went down are baffling to me - especially since it was daylight!!!
Can't believe it's been 5 years!
