GUILTY Canada - Taliyah Marsman, 5, & Sara Baillie, 34, Calgary, 11 July 2016 #2

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I wonder how Downey will manage in prison. The Liknes/O'Brien murderer Douglas Garland had a rough time because of murdering a child. I do hope that Downey will have the same problems in the prison population.
 
otto said:
I wonder how Downey will manage in prison. The Liknes/O'Brien murderer Douglas Garland had a rough time because of murdering a child. I do hope that Downey will have the same problems in the prison population.
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Garland was attacked in jail, or the "Remand Center". In prison he's kept in solitary. The same will happen with Downey - the Canadian taxpayer will fork out extra to keep him safe from other inmates. I haven't heard of anything happening to Downey in remand - my guess is that after the attacks on Garland, they won't let that happen again. I think child killers are most vulnerable in jail, while awaiting trial or being transferred to prison once convicted.

Infuriatingly, Downey will be offered the best protection - something little Taliyah and Sara were denied.
 
dogmatica said:
Garland was attacked in jail, or the "Remand Center". In prison he's kept in solitary. The same will happen with Downey - the Canadian taxpayer will fork out extra to keep him safe from other inmates. I haven't heard of anything happening to Downey in remand - my guess is that after the attacks on Garland, they won't let that happen again. I think child killers are most vulnerable in jail, while awaiting trial or being transferred to prison once convicted.

Infuriatingly, Downey will be offered the best protection - something little Taliyah and Sara were denied.
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Yes and Downey likely has connections to other gang members in prison who will watch over him, while Garland appeared to be an oddball loner. From what I understand, the reality is gang affiliation is as strong inside prison as involvement with drug dealing and prostitution on the outside. Downey will probably fit right in :(
 
MistyWaters said:
Yes and Downey likely has connections to other gang members in prison who will watch over him, while Garland appeared to be an oddball loner. From what I understand, the reality is gang affiliation is as strong inside prison as involvement with drug dealing and prostitution on the outside. Downey will probably fit right in :(
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I'd be surprised - I think even gang members have a conscience when it comes to child murder. I hope you're wrong, anyway. Either way, he'll be tucked away safely in segregation. So wrong on every level.
 
dogmatica said:
I'd be surprised - I think even gang members have a conscience when it comes to child murder. I hope you're wrong, anyway. Either way, he'll be tucked away safely in segregation. So wrong on every level.
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I admit I’m totally disillusioned with our prison system for various reasons, one being I have a close friend who works in a federal medium security prison and it seems more like a country club to me. I wish the media would better educate the public through in-depth featuring of “life in prison” but as they’re not allowed inside that won’t happen. My view is the general public would be totally disgusted by how well inmates are treated given our noble Canadian efforts at rehabilitation all those who are incarcerated.

The thing is almost all prisoners cry that they’re innocent and their convictions were unjust, it’s them versus the establishment. So imo it’s somewhat of an urban myth that there’s a divide based on the nature of the crimes they are convicted of. The notion of jailhouse justice probably comes from movies and TV shows imo.

But the good thing is Downey is no longer free, protecting the lives of other innocent people.
 
Double-murderer Edward Downey to face sentencing hearing in March
“Lawyers for Downey and the Crown appeared before Justice Beth Hughes on Monday to set the hearing for March 8...

.....Hughes could order Downey to serve a minimum 25 years before he is eligible to seek full parole, or impose consecutive periods of parole ineligibility.

If so, Downey would have to serve 50 years before seeking his freedom from prison.....”
 
Hear my deep sigh, hoping this attempt will be unsuccessful and his defence is just reaching. Elected officials or spouses are ineligible for jury duty but I’ve no idea what specifically is connected with unforeseen “political jobs” that’s the issue.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...litical-connections-baillie-marsman-1.5098871
“Defence lawyer Gavin Wolch has made an application for a judicial review that would examine the juror's political connections to determine if she is considered ineligible to serve on a jury.

"This was certainly not foreseen," said Wolch when explaining why the issue with the juror's employment was not brought up until after the verdict.

The Jury Act lists several categories that would exclude people with particular political jobs from serving.

The juror in question is active with both provincial and federal parties....”
 
I know that defense lawyers have to do their best to defend their evil, cold-blooded, child- killing clients, and I wonder how they handle this. Do they lose sleep if the killer gets off, or do they celebrate it as a victory?

If this results in a mistrial, I am confident that the verdict will be reached by another jury. I wonder how defense lawyers, who know their clients are guilty, feel about having tax payers charged a huge additional cost for another trial due to a technicality?

I would be a horrible defense lawyer. At some point I would say "F... it, I'm done, he got what he deserved." And I would sleep at night.
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/edward-downey-murder-baillie-marsman-1.5143721
“The gravity of the offence, Mr. Downey's moral blameworthiness and his degree of responsibility are at the highest level. After kidnapping Taliyah, Mr. Downey planned and deliberated upon her murder for some hours before he killed her," wrote Court of Queen's Bench Justice Beth Hughes in her decision....

....."By murdering Taliyah, Mr. Downey killed the sole witness to her mother's murder. His text conversations after dumping Taliyah's body outside of the city reveal a callous and remorseless individual," wrote Hughes.

Before handing down her sentence on Tuesday, Hughes rejected Downey's bid for a mistrial.

Defence lawyer Gavin Wolch had argued for a judicial review based on the discovery of one juror's political connections which could have been in contravention of the Jury Act which prohibits certain people from serving based on political employment....”
 
Good news!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/edward-downey-murder-baillie-taliyah-appeal-1.5994491
Convictions upheld for Calgary man who murdered mother, 5-year-old
“A Calgary man convicted of murdering a mother and her five-year-old daughter has lost his bid for a new trial.....

......In her appeal arguments, defence lawyer Kelsey Sitar argued the jury heard evidence of bad character which she said set the tone for the trial and the jury's verdict.

"Escorting was alleged to be the undercurrent of Mr. Downey's life. It was highly prejudicial evidence with propensity and character that undermined trial fairness," said Sitar in her arguments.

Downey was sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 50 years...”
 
Friends and family must be devastated.


SCC ruled Friday that consecutive parole ineligibility periods are unconstitutional

The Supreme Court of Canada has issued a legal landscape-changing decision that will affect the sentences for some of the worst multiple murderers in the country, including southern Alberta child killers Derek Saretzky and Edward Downey.

It's expected Downey and Saretzky's sentences will be overturned and a 25-year parole ineligibility period imposed…..

……..Sentencing rules were changed under the Harper Conservatives in 2011 with a new provision of the Criminal Code that allowed judges the discretion to hand out consecutive parole ineligibility periods to multiple murderers.

The Supreme Court has called that provision unconstitutional and said those punishments "bring the administration of justice into disrepute" and are "cruel and unusual by nature."……”
 
MistyWaters said:
Friends and family must be devastated.


SCC ruled Friday that consecutive parole ineligibility periods are unconstitutional

The Supreme Court of Canada has issued a legal landscape-changing decision that will affect the sentences for some of the worst multiple murderers in the country, including southern Alberta child killers Derek Saretzky and Edward Downey.

It's expected Downey and Saretzky's sentences will be overturned and a 25-year parole ineligibility period imposed…..

……..Sentencing rules were changed under the Harper Conservatives in 2011 with a new provision of the Criminal Code that allowed judges the discretion to hand out consecutive parole ineligibility periods to multiple murderers.

The Supreme Court has called that provision unconstitutional and said those punishments "bring the administration of justice into disrepute" and are "cruel and unusual by nature."……”
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Yeah, we sure don’t want to impose punishments that are “cruel and unusual” on child killers like Edward Downey. (I’m being sarcastic of course)

I wonder what Taliyah and Sara would say.
 
MsMarple said:
Yeah, we sure don’t want to impose punishments that are “cruel and unusual” on child killers like Edward Downey. (I’m being sarcastic of course)

I wonder what Taliyah and Sara would say.
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I’m really disappointed at the SCC judges for tossing consecutive sentencing out, but I can‘t say I’m totally surprised considering in this country the misperception that everyone can be rehabilitated seems to stand, contrary to the reality of repeat offenders. So once again in Canada we are back to no added consequences for murderers taking multiple victims. A sad day. JMO
 
MistyWaters said:
I’m really disappointed at the SCC judges for tossing consecutive sentencing out, but I can‘t say I’m totally surprised considering in this country the misperception that everyone can be rehabilitated seems to stand, contrary to the reality of repeat offenders. So once again in Canada we are back to no added consequences for murderers taking multiple victims. A sad day. JMO
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The Canadian justice system is seriously flawed and infuriating to all Canadians, let alone devastating to victims and their loved ones. How do we change it? Why haven't we changed it?
 
For the record, Taliyah's father CM passed away a year ago.
 
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