Johnny B Bad
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Listen to the arrest of Bw and you be the judge, when the state troops ask if he has any question he said no,no,no nothing at all and then what’s going on
Didn’t DeWine give us a hint at the news conference about the shoes, he more less told us that they bought shoes to match the Rhodens, in the show the young girl said that little Chris would ware his blue g
Why did they leave Flying W Farm.
Listen to the arrest of Bw and you be the judge, when the state troops ask if he has any question he said no,no,no nothing at all and then what’s going on
Someone, Angie or Billy, was getting SS, $ 530.00 a month, and $389.00 in food stamps. If it was Billy, perhaps that is why she paid him under the table. Also, he likely got Medicaid and would not want to lose that.
Pike County: Father accused in Rhoden massacre faced prior felonies
"....The same year he was indicted, Billy Wagner filed for bankruptcy. His wife is also named in the filing made in federal court in the Southern District of Ohio.
Their assets were listed at about $2,500, and their liabilities at about $10,000, including almost $2,500 owed to Sears for clothing, $500 in medical bills and $325 in unpaid utility bills.
Their only monthly income listed was $530 in Social Security payments and $389 in food stamps...."
BBM. My guess is AW, JW and GW4 moved from the farm and BW still lived at FWF. jmo. moo.
Where was GWIII and AW? Were they living rent free, too? Why would the boys move and take mom and dad along?Do we know she didn't? Up until the boys bought the Peterson place, they lived on her farm, for over 20 years. Maybe that was his pay. Free rent ain't too shabby.
I really can’t see these people being that smart, the Wagners was raised like a cult, JMO Fredericka is the head of this family, they do what their told, if you look back in the first arrest report someone laid in the woods watching the Rhodens, someone spent hours just listening to voice hack in the Rhodens home also the dogs had electric devices planted on them, JMO I think that what the dogs had on them was some kind of shocking device that could be operated remote control that’s why they didn’t try to eat them up they were shocking the dogs, JMO someone had to be the (money) power behind the murders, and all time spent on that crazy plan that went on that someone was paying for all the gadget that was used to bug the Rhodens house.
I can see them going all over the place to find boots large enough for the Dad, George.
6'6" and over 300lbs would leave an easily suspicious footprint in the mud and blood tho.
Big and deep.
If you didn’t do anything you would have been screaming what did I doI heard, do you have any weapons on you, anything that will stick me or poke me? W3 answers, no, no, no. Then W3 asks, What's going on?
To be fair, there wasn't much opportunity to inquire or protest with the KSHP screaming at him from multiple directions. I hope this is not shown in court. It would play into the hands of the defense....poor Ws, everybody had it in for them...
So much commotion going on. Multiple people yelling. W3 was told "turn around again" 3 separate times. I'd have trouble following all of that.
WAVERLY – Motions regarding evidence collected in the largest murder investigation in Ohio history likely will begin being filed soon, providing a glimpse into the state’s case.
During the most recent round of pretrial hearings for the Wagner family accused of killing eight members of the Rhoden family in April 2016, a schedule was laid out for how the cases will proceed in the coming months. While the capital murder trial dates have yet to be set, it's safe to say they won't happen this year.
Prosecutors are still in the process of providing evidence, called discovery, to defense attorneys and have agreed to have all evidence turned over to the defense teams by June 1.
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Recently filed lists of evidence provided to Angela Wagner's attorneys indicate prosecutors may have shoe tread evidence. There are reports researching treads from several pairs of shoes including a pair of women’s “original S.W.A.T.” boots, and an apparent search for surveillance video of shoes bought at WalMart.
There's a list of 17 different WalMart locations apparently checked with images pulled from six stores — Chillicothe, Waverly, Heath, Newark, New Boston, and Coshocton where three of the images are from April 21, 2016 - the day before the Rhodens were found slain in their sleep.
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Investigators also searched the trash at a Jackson hotel on June 8, 2017 — the summer the Wagner family moved to Alaska where they lived until returning to Pike County last year.
There's also more than 80 reports from various phones and other electronics of the victims, the Wagners, as well as other Rhoden family members; 732 investigative reports; and more than 500 audio files of interviews.
George "Billy" Wagner III looks toward his family members as he enters the Pike County Common Pleas Court for his March 29, 2019, pretrial hearing.
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Defense attorneys have agreed to file motions related to the evidence — which Judge Randy Deering refers to as substantive motions — by Sept. 1 and prosecutors must file responses to those motions by Sept. 16.
Meeting the September deadline means defense teams need to get through a terabyte of data of which they only have about half of right now, according to special prosecutor Angie Canepa.
If deadlines are met, then chances are good motions related to the evidence would be argued during a hearing like the procedural motions — which Deering refers to as non-substantive motions — which are set for September.
So far, the court has been slating appearances every other month meaning chances are decent hearings on substantive motions could take place in November, a full year after Angela Wagner, her husband George “Billy” Wagner III, and sons Edward “Jake” Wagner and George Wagner IV were secretly indicted on capital murder charges.
While the Wagner family grandmothers have summer trials slated on charges they lied to a grand jury, the very earliest any of the capital murder trials could be slated is the first quarter of 2020. Both women — Rita Newcomb and Fredericka Wagner — continue to be on house arrest. Fredericka Wagner unsuccessfully attempted to get her charges dismissed last month.
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Newcomb also is accused of forging custody documents relating to murder victim Hanna Rhoden’s daughter with Jake Wagner. Her attorneys have been provided with copies of declarations appointing guardianship in case of death for Hanna, Jake, and George Wagner – the evidence list filed in court doesn’t indicate whether the document was for the younger or elder George Wagner.
Angela, Billy, Jake, and George Wagner IV have all pleaded not guilty to nearly two dozen charges including eight aggravated murder charges for the shooting deaths of the mother of Jake Wagner's child, Hanna Rhoden, 19, her parents, Christopher Rhoden Sr., 40, and Dana Manley Rhoden, 37, and her brothers Christopher Rhoden Jr., 16, and Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden, 20.
Frankie Rhoden's fiancée, Hannah "Hazel" Gilley, 20, was also killed, along with the elder Christopher Rhoden's brother Kenneth Rhoden, 44, and cousin Gary Rhoden, 38.
What’s next?
Mid-April: Special prosecutor Angie Canepa and Fredericka Wagner’s attorney James Owen plan to hash out an agreement on what can and cannot be discussed with media.
April 30: Deadline to provide all evidence (called discovery) to attorneys for Rita Newcomb and Fredericka Wagner.
May 13: Edward "Jake" Wagner pretrial.
May 15: George “Billy” Wagner pretrial.
May 16: Angela Wagner pretrial.
May 23: George Wagner IV pretrial.
June 1: Deadline for prosecutors to provide all evidence to attorneys for Angela Wagner, George Wagner IV, and George “Billy” Wagner III.
June 14: Rita Newcomb pretrial.
June 26: Fredericka Wagner pretrial.
July 8 – July 11: Rita Newcomb’s trial.
July 29-Aug. 2: Fredericka Wagner’s trial.
Sept. 1: Deadline for defense attorneys for Angela Wagner and George “Billy” Wagner III to file substantive motions.
Sept. 16: Hearing on non-substantive motions in Angela Wagner’s case. Deadline for prosecutors to file written responses to substantive motions in her case.
Sept. 17: Hearing on non-substantive motions in George “Billy” Wagner III’s case. Deadline for prosecutors to file written responses to substantive motions in his case
If you didn’t do anything you would have been screaming what did I do
Wow! The synopsis is fascinating. Hope I get a chance to read. Any connection with these Ws?
I’ve seen on a forensic files episode (I think) removing the sole of a shoe and glueing it to the bottom of another. JMO but the shoes they were buying could’ve been used that way. Throwing off their own sizes and matching the size and tread to either law enforcement or the Rhodens.
I don’t think they’d ever think of that but could’ve studied crime shows leading up to the night of the massacre
But if they did that, why AW do all the boot tread research?
I am only theorizing that the reason they went to so many different Walmarts is to help avoid detection. Let me know if you can think of a different reason to do this.
You pointed out an interesting fact, that by going store to store to store, it only draws scrutiny and makes them look like they are doing something suspicious.
If they were shopping for anything to facilitate their crimes in any way, then why bounce around from Walmart to Walmart? Why not, like you said, set up an online anonymous account or at least go out of state to more obscure stores?
The fact that there is no DNA from GW4, leads me to suspect his will be a circumstantial case. In other words, there will need to be overwhelming evidence of the things he did before and after April 22, 2016.
The exception being if they can tie the gun silencer or parts to make a silencer to him.
Amateurs don't think enough about the evidence they leave before they commit a crime. They are worried about evidence at the crime scene and getting rid of their clothes and weapons after the crime etc...
Jake's DNA will be all over the 2 Rhoden homes he shared with Hanna so it's a moot point unless his DNA is on the victims or on a weapon or on other obvious things from that night.
Sorry, I'm getting off subject, just speculating....