Bryant_Denny
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I have no doubt they will ALL be held accountable.They charged the dr, now charge the nurses who administered the lethal doses.
I have no doubt they will ALL be held accountable.They charged the dr, now charge the nurses who administered the lethal doses.
Brain dead patients are legally dead and supposedly can't feel anything, in which case what would be the reason to give them fentanyl? Dr. would just turn off life support in cases where patients are brain dead, as these patients are unable to breathe on their own, that would be it for them.Did the pharmacy fill the med request and did a nurse administer them? This would make more than the physician culpable IMO. If the MD has determined the patient to be brain dead, there would have to be objective evidence in the form of EEG's, etc. I'm sure LE is investigating to see if those protocols were met. How very sad.
In OH brain death is considered death. If those patients were truly brain dead I don't think this doctor could have been charged, because:I am not sure of Ohio state law, but some states require that 2 physicians must declare brain death. This is the law in my state.
As we know from older cases involving brain death in the media, some states do not require physicians to obtain consent from family members prior to withdrawal of ventilatory support.
Critical Care Commentary: Brain death – patient, law, and family
For comfort care. We don’t know with 100% certainty the person does not feel anything. Ever been present when a ventilator is turned off? Or once they take the ETT out for family to gather and say their last goodbyes? It is not as simple as it sounds. There’s gasping, choking, and a few other not so pleasant sounds along with them visibly looking like they are dying. This is why we give certain types medications.Brain dead patients are legally dead and supposedly can't feel anything, in which case what would be the reason to give them fentanyl? Dr. would just turn off life support in cases where patients are brain dead, as these patients are unable to breathe on their own, that would be it for them.
Again, brain dead is legally dead in OH. If those patients were brain dead, the doctor couldn't have been charged with killing them because they were already dead.For comfort care. We don’t know with 100% certainty the person does not feel anything. Ever been present when a ventilator is turned off? Or once they take the ETT out for family to gather and say their last goodbyes? It is not as simple as it sounds. There’s gasping, choking, and a few other not so pleasant sounds along with them visibly looking like they are dying. This is why we give certain types medications.
Brain dead patients are legally dead and supposedly can't feel anything, in which case what would be the reason to give them fentanyl?
This guy wouldn't be charged if what he was doing was "ethical practice"Snippped and BBM
This guy wouldn't be charged if what he was doing was "ethical practice"
MOO....
Anyone have any ideas for a motive?
"FIRST, the law expects that you have a basic understanding of any drug you administer. This means you know what the drug is intended to treat, its adverse effects and contraindications, the expected outcomes, its therapeutic and toxic doses, and its usual route. Unless an order is questionable, the law also expects that you administer the drug as ordered. Here are some circumstances that put those expectations at risk and how you can avoid liability:" (snipped)Doctor is the one who issues an order on how much drug to administer, not the nurse deciding on their own.
"... that there was a clear chain of command in which the doctor "issues an order, a nurse takes medicine from a machine, and either that nurse or another administers" the drug on the doctor's behalf."
Why did Ohio doctor allegedly kill 25 patients? A motive remains a mystery.
I agree. I've given meds if I see grimacing. It could just be from stimulation, but what if pain is felt on some level? It's still controversial but not worth the risk IMO.For comfort care. We don’t know with 100% certainty the person does not feel anything. Ever been present when a ventilator is turned off? Or once they take the ETT out for family to gather and say their last goodbyes? It is not as simple as it sounds. There’s gasping, choking, and a few other not so pleasant sounds along with them visibly looking like they are dying. This is why we give certain types medications.