OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#49

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Dudly said:
Pike County massacre: First trial date in the massacre of 8 in family
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In the article quoted, attorney for George Wagner IV states, ""They do not have DNA evidence that links the victims to my client," Knight said after the hearing" but that was not what was stated by SC Canepa at the 10 June 2019 pretrial hearing.

...and now I can't find the page with GW4's pretrial video so I could transcribe their words verbatim, so JMO: Canepa did not state unequivocally there was no DNA evidence re GW4, so Knight then said his Motion would remain until that was resolved. The Motion specifically requested DNA materiel evidence specific to GW4's case.
*jmo as I'm quoting from memory, which the video differs from what was reported by the Cincinnati Enquirer.
 
Fletcher73 said:
In the article quoted, attorney for George Wagner IV states, ""They do not have DNA evidence that links the victims to my client," Knight said after the hearing" but that was not what was stated by SC Canepa at the 10 June 2019 pretrial hearing.

...and now I can't find the page with GW4's pretrial video so I could transcribe their words verbatim, so JMO: Canepa did not state unequivocally there was no DNA evidence re GW4, so Knight then said his Motion would remain until that was resolved. The Motion specifically requested DNA materiel evidence specific to GW4's case.
*jmo as I'm quoting from memory, which the video differs from what was reported by the Cincinnati Enquirer.
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I recall her stating that at a previous pre-trial hearing, earlier in the spring. Not sure what any of it means, but we'll find out during his trial. Makes me wonder if she says there's no DNA evidence for him, does that mean there is DNA evidence for the other 3? DNA evidence won't be necessary to get a conviction for GW4, though. It seems there's a lot of other evidence against him.

ETA: It was at GW4's hearing last March

No DNA link in George Wagner IV's Rhoden murder case
 
Hello and happy Fathers Day fellow sleuthers, I saw where someone posted on here the other day about the same thing I’m speculating about, I have set and thought about something for along time also and would like to hear some feedback, the Wagners where big into the flea markets over the past years and a lot of guns are sold there each year, l would say the ATF monitors the flea market heavily and the Ohio Militants probably gets most of their guns from flea markets, I don’t think that drugs where the only under current of e-legal active going on in this murder case, also LE hasn’t said the caliber of the guns that killed the Rhodens/Gillie. If the same guns in the movie Boondocks Saints where used those was high dollar guns and I really don’t think they were threw away, I think they was hidden or sold, money was tight around the time of the murders, the Wagners 4 had house payment, new barns and fighting for child custody, but their way more to these killings and JMO there is more than 4 people could be involved JMO
 
Johnny B Bad said:
Hello and happy Fathers Day fellow sleuthers, I saw where someone posted on here the other day about the same thing I’m speculating about, I have set and thought about something for along time also and would like to hear some feedback, the Wagners where big into the flea markets over the past years and a lot of guns are sold there each year, l would say the ATF monitors the flea market heavily and the Ohio Militants
probably gets most of their guns from flea markets, I don’t think that drugs where the only under current of e-legal active going on in this murder case, also LE hasn’t said the caliber of the guns that killed the Rhodens/Gillie. If the same guns in the movie Boondocks Saints where used those was high dollar guns and I really don’t think they were threw away, I think they was hidden or sold, money was tight around the time of the murders, the Wagners 4 had house payment, new barns and fighting for child custody, but their way more to these killings and JMO there is more than 4 people could be involved JMO
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If the W4 were dealing guns, they could have been buying them in Ohio, or another "easy" state, and selling them illegally in states with tougher gun laws. Usually we hear about illegal guns being brought into New York, New Jersey and California JMO. The W4 could have sold the dirty guns to criminals in NY. Obviously they would have to have a contact person to do the deals, and they possibly left a trail. JMO. Maybe the trucking business owned by JW and GWiv was a front to run guns.
 
Betty P said:
Catching up on some of the news coverage this week. Here's an article about GW4's trial now scheduled for Sept. 4

Pike County massacre: First trial date in the massacre of 8 in family






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I just want to THANK YOU @Betty P for always being a diligent, respectful, dedicated poster on this thread since the beginning. I have always appreciated your contribution of facts and truths.
 
Betty P said:
I recall her stating that at a previous pre-trial hearing, earlier in the spring. Not sure what any of it means, but we'll find out during his trial. Makes me wonder if she says there's no DNA evidence for him, does that mean there is DNA evidence for the other 3? DNA evidence won't be necessary to get a conviction for GW4, though. It seems there's a lot of other evidence against him.

ETA: It was at GW4's hearing last March

No DNA link in George Wagner IV's Rhoden murder case
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I found the “George Wagner IV 3/22/19 pretrial” on YouTube but I’m afraid to post since I’m not sure if it violates TOS so I will give you my thoughts only...Defense lawyer states there was some discovery given earlier that the State said may contain DNA and it might be in the interest of defense. Defense wanted to obtain DNA specialists but as of this time (3/22/19) there was no DNA of HIS client found on that evidence. Defense said he would agree to wait until he sees the rest of the discovery first. I gather from this that there still could be DNA evidence but defense hasn’t received that yet so he wants the judge to wait on acting on that motion. JMO
 
MittenScarpetta said:
I just want to THANK YOU @Betty P for always being a diligent, respectful, dedicated poster on this thread since the beginning. I have always appreciated your contribution of facts and truths.
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Add my thanks to that also Betty. The only information I can depend on to be correct is the information you put on here.

And also thank you for all the work you have did on the timeline. We could not do without you.

JMO
 
Merrygirl said:
I found the “George Wagner IV 3/22/19 pretrial” on YouTube but I’m afraid to post since I’m not sure if it violates TOS so I will give you my thoughts only...Defense lawyer states there was some discovery given earlier that the State said may contain DNA and it might be in the interest of defense. Defense wanted to obtain DNA specialists but as of this time (3/22/19) there was no DNA of HIS client found on that evidence. Defense said he would agree to wait until he sees the rest of the discovery first. I gather from this that there still could be DNA evidence but defense hasn’t received that yet so he wants the judge to wait on acting on that motion. JMO
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It's OK to post the trial hearings. Here is the latest hearing of GW4, June 10th, and the mention of the DNA evidence if anyone wants to hear the DNA part word for word. Starts at the 4:46 mark.

Canepa: "The DNA I believe the last time we discussed it they were informed that there was no, none of that--they requested it-- but again you know they requested (inaudible) I guess."

GW4 Attorney: "As for the issue of the DNA rather than withdraw the Motion at this time I'd like to ask if the Court allows us to defer that until we get to the final set of discovery."

According to @Betty P's post: QUOTE: "The attorneys also agreed upon July 24 as the next date for a pre-trial hearing and also discussed making that the deadline for any and all motion requests"

My opinion: There is no DNA evidence linking GW4 to the murders but his attorneys want to be extra careful and make sure they see all of the Discovery Evidence from the prosecution before they are satisfactorily convinced.



 
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Betty P said:
I recall her stating that at a previous pre-trial hearing, earlier in the spring. Not sure what any of it means, but we'll find out during his trial. Makes me wonder if she says there's no DNA evidence for him, does that mean there is DNA evidence for the other 3? DNA evidence won't be necessary to get a conviction for GW4, though. It seems there's a lot of other evidence against him.

ETA: It was at GW4's hearing last March

No DNA link in George Wagner IV's Rhoden murder case
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DBM
 
Cool Cats said:
It's OK to post the trial hearings. Here is the latest hearing of GW4, June 10th, and the mention of the DNA evidence if anyone wants to hear the DNA part word for word. Starts at the 4:46 mark.

Canepa: "The DNA I believe the last time we discussed it they were informed that there was no, none of that--they requested it-- but again you know they requested (inaudible) I guess."

GW4 Attorney: "As for the issue of the DNA rather than withdraw the Motion at this time I'd like to ask if the Court allows us to defer that until we get to the final set of discovery."

According to @Betty P's post: QUOTE: "The attorneys also agreed upon July 24 as the next date for a pre-trial hearing and also discussed making that the deadline for any and all motion requests"

My opinion: There is no DNA evidence linking GW4 to the murders but his attorneys want to be extra careful and make sure they see all of the Discovery Evidence from the prosecution before they are satisfactorily convinced.



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I do believe the Prosecution has DNA evidence against GW4 or his attorneys would not be so skeptical. JMO
 
Loomis124 said:
I do believe the Prosecution has DNA evidence against GW4 or his attorneys would not be so skeptical. JMO
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I seem to have some opinions that most don't agree with, like I don't think Angela was at any of the murder scenes, and from what I've heard so far I don't believe there is any DNA evidence linking George 4. However, I do find it odd that this DNA issue hasn't been resolved when it's so close to his trial.

His speedy trial waiver expires next month and they are setting his trial to early September so as not to over step the speedy trial deadline, according to Junk. (from the video I previously posted) G4's trial cannot be postponed unless he waives his right to speedy trial again.
GW4's attorney said this will be a long trial and will take 2 months and run through October.

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Updated: 11:37 AM EST Nov 28, 2018
WLWT Digital Staff

"...Wagner IV (George IV) pleaded not guilty to 22 charges including murdering eight members of the Rhoden family in 2016.
Wagner, like his brother, also waived his right to a speedy trial through July 31, 2019... "
 
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Cool Cats said:
I seem to have some opinions that most don't agree with, like I don't think Angela was at any of the murder scenes, and from what I've heard so far I don't believe there is any DNA evidence linking George 4. However, I do find it odd that this DNA issue hasn't been resolved when it's so close to his trial.

His speedy trial waiver expires next month and they are setting his trial to early September so as not to over step the speedy trial deadline, according to Junk. (from the video I previously posted) G4's trial cannot be postponed unless he waives his right to speedy trial again.
GW4's attorney said this will be a long trial and will take 2 months and run through October.

wlwt.png

Updated: 11:37 AM EST Nov 28, 2018
WLWT Digital Staff

"...Wagner IV (George IV) pleaded not guilty to 22 charges including murdering eight members of the Rhoden family in 2016.
Wagner, like his brother, also waived his right to a speedy trial through July 31, 2019... "
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It seems like they are trying to save the best for last when it comes to discovery.. AW had boots female so I think she was at the scenes.
I don’t think there is any dna on GW4. The babies were possibly left home alone on Peterson road while this happened.
 
Sleuthinsleuther said:
It seems like they are trying to save the best for last when it comes to discovery.. AW had boots female so I think she was at the scenes.
I don’t think there is any dna on GW4. The babies were possibly left home alone on Peterson road while this happened.
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The court doesn’t need D&A when you have voice recording of threats toward the Governor, Sheriff and the BCI agent, and from what Ann Canepa said that George the 4th loves to shoot that mouth off, I would say that the court has an confession of all the murders JMO
 
Johnny B Bad said:
The court doesn’t need D&A when you have voice recording of threats toward the Governor, Sheriff and the BCI agent, and from what Ann Canepa said that George the 4th loves to shoot that mouth off, I would say that the court has an confession of all the murders JMO
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Yes, George may have talked himself into a corner. Never underestimate the power of your own words played In Court with the Jury following diligently along via transcripts.

by: The Associated Press
Posted: Nov 28, 2018 / 12:47 PM EST / Updated: Nov 28, 2018 / 10:19 PM EST

In court Wednesday, defense attorney Richard Nash asked the court to consider bond for George Wagner IV arguing that
“Wagner does not have a prior criminal record or any traffic citations and should be given some type of bail”.

Angela Canepa, a special prosecutor from the Ohio Attorney General’s office said there is evidence that Wagner participated in family conversations plotting revenge against authorities should any of them get arrested.

“There have been multiple conversations where those threats were made and I would say that George Wagner IV was the most vocal,” Canepa said.
The judge denied the request for bond.
 
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Momof4RN said:
“Deering noted in court the new October trial date should be viewed as a definite”
Does that mean should be or definitely is? Is the defense allowed to ask for a continuance again?
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Hard to say, though it sounds like a hint from Deering that he wants the two grandmother's trials to get underway so they can move on to the other 4. JMO of course.
 
Cool Cats said:
It's OK to post the trial hearings. Here is the latest hearing of GW4, June 10th, and the mention of the DNA evidence if anyone wants to hear the DNA part word for word. Starts at the 4:46 mark.

Canepa: "The DNA I believe the last time we discussed it they were informed that there was no, none of that--they requested it-- but again you know they requested (inaudible) I guess."

GW4 Attorney: "As for the issue of the DNA rather than withdraw the Motion at this time I'd like to ask if the Court allows us to defer that until we get to the final set of discovery."

According to @Betty P's post: QUOTE: "The attorneys also agreed upon July 24 as the next date for a pre-trial hearing and also discussed making that the deadline for any and all motion requests"

My opinion: There is no DNA evidence linking GW4 to the murders but his attorneys want to be extra careful and make sure they see all of the Discovery Evidence from the prosecution before they are satisfactorily convinced.



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It will be interesting to see what happens. You're right, the mixed signals are confusing. It's certainly keeping court watchers on the edge of their seats. There's still so much we don't know about what happened that night and in the weeks before and after. They've kept so many of the details out of the public domain. What we hear in these hearings is really brief and fragmented, all the action is going on in the judge's chambers.

LOL, maybe we should start making lists of all the stuff we would like to know. It would be quite long.

ETA: No wagering allowed, but off site betting.....:p;):D
 
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