Found Deceased UT - REMAINS FOUND - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #11 *ARREST*

[JudgeJoe]

Good point. However, the reporter noted that the ML's friend said many things that are inappropriate to repeat on TV. Lead me to imagine kinky acts.

Never got that impression from the footage. More like he uttered some profanity about AA that could not be repeated on air. MOO

 

[Snoop Sister]

Parents want to hear that a a child they put on a plane has safely landed. Kenzie texted her mom to say that she landed, but she didn't text to say that she was home safe.

I doubt her mom was sleeping. More likely, she was half awake, like the mother of a newborn, waiting to know that her daughter arrived home safely.

Kenzie might have viewed her mom as a pest - as in - better to turn the phone off than say "yes, I'm home safe." Doesn't sound right. Between the funeral and wedding, I think her mom would have been checking in often - but not so often that Kenzie ignored her mother or viewed it as an irritation.

I meant turned her phone while with AA. As in during the meet. Not to avoid her mother after etc. It is simply a theory and something I would have done at that age.

Additionally, I assume she has been taking that flight from LA to Salt Lake City for a number of years while attending university and at 23 years old so I don’t think her mom would have been too worried about her getting to her apartment safely. And, she was not missed right away .... she was not reported missing until Thursday. No disrespect to anyone but Kenzie appeared to be a very independent young lady so I can understand why alarm bells didn’t go off right away. Jmo

Edited to say - this was presented as an alternative to all theories mentioned already. Not that I believe this is what happened. But, it could be a possibility.

 

[wary]

Never got that impression from the footage. More like he uttered some profanity about AA that could not be repeated on air. MOO

That’s the impression I got, too.

 

[MyBelle]

I stand prepared to be mocked and scorned for my stand on this so I'll take a rest from commenting on it.

It's hard to be objective when you've looked into the faces of children molested by monsters, especially when you know there is a long line of children harmed by the same men who were never punished. Pedophiles do not change their ways.

When you absolutely know what was done and there is no punishment, you feel kind of ready to pick and choose.

So I'll take that pause.

I hear ya, loud and clear and I totally agree with you! The research is solid. Pedophiles don't change their ways nor do sex addicts change their ways. <modsnip - no link to back up this claim>

Any attorney who has a public website boasting about "wins" in cases involving repeat child sex offenders is inviting public opinion. What I think is ludicrous are those who are comparing the attorney to the victim "blaming" that has happened in this case. < modsnip - argumentative and inflammatory>

JMO

 

[Futureman]

Is she the devil?

She doesn’t appear to be wearing Prada, so...

 

[Seattle1]

Good point. However, the reporter noted that the ML's friend said many things that are inappropriate to repeat on TV. Lead me to imagine kinky acts.

The friend was described as shaking and angry. I believe reporter was referring to his language being inappropriate to repeat on television. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

The friend was described as shaking and angry. I believe reporter was referring to his language being inappropriate to repeat on television. MOO

Yeah. That’s how I interpreted that as well.

He was understandably angry, and I’m sure he had some choice words to say about this guy.

 

[otto]

I think she was too smart to have turned her phone off, I don’t think it happened to die. It was forced off. Immediately. I think she knew having clicked her seatbelt stuff was going south.

Also, I think it’s probable he did not act alone. Why? Because I feel it was too much for him to do. If she was under threat in the car, the moving her to the house would be 10x harder than if she was still comfortable with him. Managing her in the car from the get go would be difficult. Incapacitate, take phone, drive, keep her from escaping, move her to the house, etc etc. coupled with the fact he had various people at the house and seemed well networked online, he could have gotten accomplices together. Like Holly Bobo.

A weapon would make things easy, but not really. With just him, she could have run when they got to his place. She could have run at a stop light. He was driving!

With a second guy, all of this would be very possible. Not saying there is a long history of single perps doing a lot. He was driving. You can’t really even keep a handgun on someone and drive, I don’t think.

If she voluntarily turned her phone off, the she travelled willingly with him.

Yes. Closing the car door, clicking the seatbelt, she was in trouble and the Lyft driver was gone. There she was, at a park next to a freeway at 3AM. Big mistake. Poor choice.

I'm also curious about an accomplice. The suspect felt comfortable staying with a friend. Has that friend come forward to police to describe what the suspect did during that visit? Did the host call police to tell them where he was? We don't know that there was an accomplice, but it is interesting that a Nigerian man with a Green Card malfunctioned so badly by himself in such a short time. The world was his oyster, and he choose murderer.

 

[margarita25]

There are so many nice ways to imagine that Kenzie lost control of her phone, but I'm guessing that the dishonest sexual predator who murdered her was much more abrupt.

Joran van der Sloot was finally arrested for elbowing a woman in the face first. That was enough to disable her. He later beat her to death. It's possible that the suspect elbowed Kenzie in the face to disable her, took her phone and turned it off. If anyone saw him walking her into his house, she would have looked like a drunk.

Hannah Graham was out with friends, wanted another drink, and was seen jogging through the streets and then Jessie Matthews saw her. She had a drink with Jessie Matthews. People saw him supporting her and carrying her to his car. They would assume that she was just drunk - too drunk to walk without assistance. Matthews earlier victim testified that she was hit in the head first, warnings next.

I don't think Kenzie had a chance. I think she put her big suitcase in his car, the lfyt driver left, she got in the car and ... that was it. He took her phone, turned it off and very likely told her what was going to happen next. I don't think she had a chance after she closed the car door.

(JLM also broke Morgan Harrington’s bones, his blows were so strong.)

 

[Sherlockhemlock]

I’d be down with that, if it wasn’t so damn convenient.

It benefited this guy tremendously, and fit perfectly with what he had done, and what he was trying to do.

Make that trail a dead end.

I never turn mine off. I will mute it, but not turn it off if I don’t have to (airplane mode). However it’s possible her battery was low and she turned it off to save power (instead of just low power mode). JMO

 

[Anance]

Ashley is not the name of the friend who had warned MT about AA. The friend's name has not been disclosed

True. And the reason for remaining anonymous is that KL's friend was also in an arrangement.

 

[Coquette]

I hear ya, loud and clear and I totally agree with you! The research is solid. Pedophiles don't change their ways nor do sex addicts change their ways. I have been told by someone who is head of a state's Domestic Violence program that sex addicts are often addicted to sex *advertiser censored* and that it often leads to domestic violence. I trust her opinion.

Any attorney who has a public website boasting about "wins" in cases involving repeat child sex offenders is inviting public opinion. What I think is ludicrous are those who are comparing the attorney to the victim "blaming" that has happened in this case. That's rather insulting to the victim and to those of us who support her.

JMO

RBBM

No, it's actually not. I fully support her. I do not appreciate the insinuation. I am a feminist and I support any woman who makes informed choices for herself. I believe ML did just that. I do not support bashing fellow women for sport and I fear I've seen that tonight, IMO.

Taking a deep breath always helps. These cases can bring out the best and worst in all of us. We're human. Goodnight.

 

[MassGuy]

I never turn mine off. I will mute it, but not turn it off if I don’t have to (airplane mode). However it’s possible her battery was low and she turned it off to save power (instead of just low power mode). JMO

Sure, but that’s exactly what this guy would have wanted.

Her phone would put her at his house, and destroy his effort to throw off any future investigative work.

He chose that park for a reason. He didn’t pick her up from the airport for a reason. He didn’t let the Lyft driver take her to his house for a reason.

Her phone could bury him.

Turns out it did anyways.

 

[utmomof2]

Oh! I wonder why he doesn’t appear on her list of successes? I wonder why....

He doesn’t appear because she lost.

 

[margarita25]

This might be crazy - tell me if it is (I know you all will!)....but could reviews like that be code-words to BDSM people about the AirBNB?

Maybe I'm just spooked by all this, but who wants accommodations with dirt floors in the basement that are sound proof? BDSM might search listings for just such words to let them know what could happen in those rooms.

?? Am I thinking too hard?

jmo

No, I’ve heard about this. There was a whole episode of Slutever where she did a documentary on these types of getaways. There’s a market for it. Let me see if I can find some reference on that from the show.

ETA: Uh, yeah, I’ll just exit out of google.

Point is, sure. Wouldn’t surprise me, moo.

 

[MyBelle]

RBBM

No, it's actually not. I fully support her. I do not appreciate the insinuation. I am a feminist and I support any woman who makes informed choices for herself. I believe ML did just that. I do not support bashing fellow women for sport and I fear I've seen that tonight, IMO.

Taking a deep breath always helps. These cases can bring out the best and worst in all of us. We're human. Goodnight.

Insinuation????? It has nothing to do with feminism so please don't play that card. ML is the victim. The attorney for her accuser is not a victim.

JMO

 

[Seattle1]

Defense attorney named in MacKenzie Lueck case
[...]

Susanne Gustin is now representing Ayoola Ajayi, the 31-year-old facing charges of aggravated murder, aggravated kidnapping, desecration of a human body and obstruction of justice in Lueck's death.

[...]

"I'm representing him right now; I don't know if that will continue. Other than that, I can't reveal any information, sorry," Gustin said.

Gustin said she will be representing Ajayi during his first court appearance next week.

Fox13 exclusive video because reporter "staked out the parking lot" -- totally catching attorney Gustin off guard!

 

[Anance]

I don’t think the fact AA was not SD material is evidence ML hadn’t spent time with him in person before. Just because she had SD relationships it doesn’t mean she only had SD relationships.

An earlier poster mentioned few sugar babies crack the 1%, they are not yachting in the Riviera. In SLC, KL had little access to very wealthy men interested in such arrangements. If she had been in LA or SF, maybe. Not SLC. Not the same concentration of wealth and different. <modsnip - no link to back up a statement posted as fact>

 

[2Hope4]

Using the KISS theory... I believe Kenzie knew AA, had prior contact with AA, and trusted AA enough to agree to meet at 3am at a park. Could be the arrangement was sex at the park. I don't know what her plans to get home were. Maybe she was going to spend the night with AA, and he'd take her home, or maybe call Lyft again. Just because he wasn't a millionaire doesn't mean he couldn't have been a SD or even her BF. People spend their money on what they want. While some may spend it on horses, a huge home, expensive vehicle, some may choose to spend it on a SB or GF.

I knew a married couple decades ago, before I had heard of SB/SD and he would take her to meet men for escort. So there are perhaps SB that have a BF that knows they are a SB and are OK with that.

I have no way of knowing what the relationship between ML and AA was, but I do believe they weren't strangers to each other.

It appears to me this is a case of her intentions and his intentions not being the same. For whatever reason the initial meeting as voluntarily. Perhaps going to his home was voluntarily as well. Her death could have been intentional on his part, and it could have been accidental like he strangled her during sex, and she died. Or had a reaction to a drug. Or he meant to murder her and had planned to murder her. I don't know.

Since they were texting while she was away for the funeral, and during the trip home, there had to be some prior relationship. Their agreement could have been 'no cellphones' whenever they were together.

We'll know once there is a trial.

JMO

 

[Jcscham]

I'd like to thank @MassGuy . I took some time off from the thread and have spent the past couple hours getting caught up. The one constant I realized while reading through all the threads was how active MassGuy was at helping get some of the wild theories more grounded by the actual facts we know about the case. Helping people understand how things actually work vs. how they think they should work. Without him, I'm afraid we all would have been stuck reading through many more discussions not grounded in fact. So thanks for saving us.