UK UK - Damien Nettles, 16, Isle of Wight England, 2 Nov 1996

What evidence suggests Damien went in to the see and what do you know what can't be found online? If you could suggest to us here (being careful not to make accusations).

I think Mister_Black is saying there is too much evidence suggesting Damien didn't go into the sea that night, and that is now generally accepted by all who know a bit about the case.


Hey all,

I'm a member of the Damien Nettles group over on Facebook and am a documentary film-maker. Been researching this case for quite some time now.
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Thanks everyone, nice to meet you all. Great community you have here.

A couple of us from this thread are active on another thread elsewhere that is currently quite a bit more active than this one. I don't want to link it directly here in case I break forum rules by linking to another community, but if you'd like to see it then please feel free to drop me a private message and I'll send you the link directly.
And as Cracker asked, I'm very intrigued as to this information that isn't currently online.
 
I have researched this case for a few years now when I began studying criminology. I have read forums , YouTube comments, videos, you name it I've watched it and sometimes I feel no further forward . The part that I keep coming back to is he had stayed with his sister for a few weeks after a family fall out and wonder why he was so keen to seek her put that night. I'm on the Facebook page and his mum is a genuine kind women and I 100% don't believe the family have anything to o with it but I sometimes wonder could he still be alive , this article states sightings in South England but i would be more inclined to think if he had wanted to go missing completely he would have went further afield. I struggle to imagine members of the drug fraternity killing and disposing of a body and all being able to keep quiet after these years and loyalty etc changing. I have visited the island many times and it is such a small place secrets wouldn't be easily kept in my opinion [emoji848]
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/2079877.Is_Damien_alive_/

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I think it would be interesting if these guys could remember anything from that night , I wonder if they would come forward via Facebook appeal [emoji848]

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Hi Scottishem1 :)
I'm on my phone at the moment so I can't provide sources, but these guys were identified as being military, and have been interviewed by law enforcement, though quite some time after Damien's disappearance.

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Hi Scottishem1 :)
I'm on my phone at the moment so I can't provide sources, but these guys were identified as being military, and have been interviewed by law enforcement, though quite some time after Damien's disappearance.

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Thank you thats ok , thank you for your kind reply i have read your other forum too :)

Yes I've read that , just wondered if they maybe had any more info . I've read about this case for 3 years and have read every forum , YouTube comments etc etc and it frustrates me that there's nothing new to help. In my opinion the police in this case cannot be trusted one bit . I have often wondered if Damiems body may have been put in to an already open grave at the cemetery. The bit I keep coming back to is could 1 or more drug addicts really keep a lid on this for all these years when alliances change ? [emoji848]

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Thank you thats ok , thank you for your kind reply i have read your other forum too :)

Yes I've read that , just wondered if they maybe had any more info . I've read about this case for 3 years and have read every forum , YouTube comments etc etc and it frustrates me that there's nothing new to help. In my opinion the police in this case cannot be trusted one bit . I have often wondered if Damiems body may have been put in to an already open grave at the cemetery. The bit I keep coming back to is could 1 or more drug addicts really keep a lid on this for all these years when alliances change ? [emoji848]

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Aha! Glad to see you getting involved then :)

I don't believe the men in the video had much information to add, unfortunately. Like you say, it is super frustrating with how many issues have hindered this case at every turn, and the police do indeed appear to be very suspicious.

Not sure if you saw on the other forum, but I currently have a FOI request open with the Hampshire Constabulary, in which I have asked for a copy of the 2007 case review document.

As for the drug addicts, I do know what you mean, but bare in mind there are conflicting reports from those who have spoken to police and investigators. For instance, (and again, I cannot provide a source link right now) I remember that there were reports of Daniel Spencer talking about how Damien was a "little ****" when he was intoxicated, but when he was questioned he said he'd never spoken about him.

The issue there seems to be that they are all such unreliable sources that it's very tricky to sift through what's true/not.

In my opinion, I think it's pretty probable that the police are pretty sure who was involved, but they cannot charge them due to insufficient evidence. Remember, in 2011 there was a series of arrests but they never amounted to any charges being filed.

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I have researched this case for a few years now when I began studying criminology. I have read forums , YouTube comments, videos, you name it I've watched it and sometimes I feel no further forward . The part that I keep coming back to is he had stayed with his sister for a few weeks after a family fall out and wonder why he was so keen to seek her put that night. I'm on the Facebook page and his mum is a genuine kind women and I 100% don't believe the family have anything to o with it but I sometimes wonder could he still be alive , this article states sightings in South England but i would be more inclined to think if he had wanted to go missing completely he would have went further afield. I struggle to imagine members of the drug fraternity killing and disposing of a body and all being able to keep quiet after these years and loyalty etc changing. I have visited the island many times and it is such a small place secrets wouldn't be easily kept in my opinion [emoji848]
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/2079877.Is_Damien_alive_/

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Hi, where did you read about a family fall out? The only similar insinuation I have found is where Mrs Nettles said in interviews that Damien had the opportunity to run away a short while before he was last seen. If you could share links to it, I would be grateful.
 
I've just watched the CCTV again, on a new device with better speakers. At the beginning of the clip, it sounds fairly standard chat, this is what it sounds *like* to me, and of course may not be what was actually said*.

Shopworker To Older Man: "£1.30 please."
One Of The Men On The Left To The Shopworker: "Is there vinegar on this?"
Shopworker: "No, it's over there".
Then the older man seems to make a joke about a lift to the nightclub.
The tall man with dark hair seems* to say to Damien "I'm from Yorkshire". His accent doesn't sound typical of a Yorkshire accent, IMO.
Then, after looking behind the counter, the tall man seems to say the male shopworker "can I have a cod and like really small chips?" he also seems to ask about a "saveloy", to which the shopkeeper seems to say they don't have, then it seems the shop keeper offers the man a fishcake, the man seems to reply "I'll leave it then", he then leaves.

Then, Damien is stood next to a young man, who is at the far right of the screen, adding vinegar to his fish. They seem to talk about the fish and then the man points to the camera, to which Damien seems to say jokingly "oh ****". But then, and this is what I find unusual here, the man *seems to say to Damien "you're brushed up on law are you?" or words to that effect. That could just be innocent chat, but it seems to be a very specific change of subject to me.

Some other observations are that at 3:18, a white vehicle, which is rumoured to be the police car, passes. This looks to me like an old Ford Escort, does anyone know if Hampshire police used this type of vehichle back then?

Then, right at the last split second of the clip (blink and you'll miss it) it seems like two people begin to walk past the shop, in the opposite direction that Damien headed off in. It's really easy to miss if you're not looking close enough.

Back towards the beginning of the clip though, the man in the lighter shirt walks out immediately when Damien walks in, and then the tall man walks in, close to where Damien is stood and they seem* to engage in conversation, I'd be interested to read what you all think of that.
 
Well ,maybe my head is tied up with the Toronto serial killer who had been operating in the "Gay Village", but wondering now if Damien was targeted by a sexual predator.
Maybe somehow tied in with the possibility/ rumour that Damien was bullied at school?
compete speculation.
 
The only speculation I've read that Damien might have been the victim of a sexual predator was the mention of possible paedophiles hanging around the park where Damien left Chris Boon. This was in an old news article though, and not mentioned again.
 
Today would have been Damien Nettles’ 39th birthday: Appeal for information

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Today (21st June) is Damien Nettles’ birthday, please keep his family in your thoughts.

Damien Richard Nettles was born at 1.27am on 21 June 1980 at Gleneagles hospital in Singapore, weighing 7lb 10oz.

He had an idyllic childhood surrounded by the love of his family and friends on the Isle of Wight.

A talented musician with a flair for writing, he was in a band with friends and was well liked among his peer group. He had excelled with his GCSEs which gave him more enthusiasm to fulfil his ambition of becoming a marine biologist.

Mysterious disappearance
Sadly, on 2 November 1996 only months after his 16th birthday, Damien disappeared, leaving his family devastated.

A mishandled investigation further hindered by rumours has resulted in the case never being solved.

Get in touch
If you have factual information that could progress the investigation please phone Hampshire Constabulary on 101 and ask for the Cold Case Team.

If you would prefer to remain anonymous, please phone Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

Alternatively, phone/text Missing People charity on 116 000 or email 116000@missingpeople.org.uk quoting 96-001159.

Today would have been Damien Nettles' 39th birthday: Appeal for information | Isle of Wight News from OnTheWight
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Damien Nettles Website - Damien Nettles - Missing since 1996
Official FB Page - Damien Nettles - The Boy Who Disappeared
Official FB Group - Justice For Damien Nettles
Twitter: @DamienNettles @Valnettles1
 
The thing that sticks in my memory about this case is how he presented in the chip shop. That must have been LSD or mushrooms I'd have thought.

If so, then his actions, thoughts and movements may not have been logical to anyone but him.
 
This was my gateway case. First read about it definitely last decade.. possibly as far back as '05 or '06. Nice to see more people care now.

First thing, the chance of him actually having gone in the water and died accidentally are minute I believe.. so minute that if that is what happened it might be somewhat of a miracle. Not only do numerous people with knowledge on the matter say his body would've washed up, the vast majority of people who fall in from Isle of Wight do have something turn up (even if a severed foot as in one case). Furthermore I read on a reddit thread from a person from Cowes, that if he had fallen in there would not have been any deep water for him to fall into because of the way that path goes, where he would've fallen in and that it is not a deep water area. People do not fall in off that path and drown. If Damien did go in.. something would almost certainly have had to turn up. Even if just his camera or a part of it, or his fleece.

Personally I have bounced between it being Nicky Mac's crew, and it being corrupt police.. with the possibility that this is all serving as a distraction, the reported witness sighting of Damien getting into a car on Baring road being him getting a lift from a stranger who was a predator or trafficker (this was a different witness to Shirley Barrett who said that was Nicky Mac's car).

By the way Danny Spencer worked in construction at the time, and I have read in a comment somewhere before now that he was working on a construction site at that time, so there was a suggestion that Damien was buried in the foundations of that building (Danny being part of Nicky Mac's crew, reportedly the one seen with Mac in the Bars Hill sighting).

A while back I paid a small fee to have access to IoW news archives for a week, read everything on Mac and his crew in the archives and there was a lot, you can literally chart Mac's descent into depravity and crime. Stealing from shops, stopped by cops and running off wearing a stupid wig, found hiding in an allotment with a shotgun discovered in the boot of his car, numerous court appointments, at least one of which where his lawyer said he was trying to turn his life around and be better. Oh and a long-term feud between Bunny Iles and the owners of an Indian restaurant, seemed to be a racist thing, the restaurant hired a guy who knew fighting styles who beat down on Iles. Interestingly Danny Spencer, much younger than Bobby Mac and the others (although drugs have aged him as we saw when Bronagh Munro confronted him), only early 20s in '96 I think, in the '80s Spencer and his brother were considered budding young talents in long distance running and football. That were in the news a bit. Sad how drugs destroyed him by the next decade. Also there was a Katy McNamara who appeared to have been a sister or cousin of Nicky's, and she was doing well in dancing, in the archives in the '80s a couple times, by the 21st century there was something about the "Katy McNamara Cup" dancing competition in IoW. So it appeared as though his relative was quite opposite to him in that she was very successful. Oh yeah and Nicky Mac's son served in Iraq or Afghanistan, 2003 I believe.. since then has worked as a chef, and more recently has sadly followed in his father's footsteps being named in the news in relation to cocaine and robbery charges. So yeah, quite a lot of interesting information in the archives, which sort of helps to build a picture of what these suspects were like and the kinds of lives they lead. I also managed to find his son or daughter's Facebook a while back and found a picture of Nicky Mac with the baby when he was a new dad, and he looked different. Healthier, he had hair and a moustache. So that again showed how drugs destroyed him.

Anyway I digress. The actual last ever sighting of Damien, the infamous missing CCTV, well that went missing because someone taped over it. It's gone and never coming back sadly. The thing about the police in this case.. they were either corrupt, or horrifyingly dysfunctional. They look corrupt, with the disappearing footage, sighting of a police car stopped outside Yorkies, talking to the carer after Damien left his car having just leaned all over it drunkenly, there have been reports that the car that stopped outside Yorkies dropped off a couple ladies, the disappearance of the camera, not even tracking down and interviewing the others on the Yorkies CCTV for years, ACTUAL YEARS. Danny Spencer getting confidential witness statements, reports that there may be people in the police force associated with Mac's crew (I read someone somewhere say Spencer has family in the police there, or did. Possibly his brother he was in the paper with as a youth for achievement in athletics? Is there any way to find out the names of people who've been in the police in Cowes?). So yeah, they look corrupt but I believe it's possible they were actually so dysfunctional, just operating so poorly, that they look corrupt. And some of the other things could be innocent events such as the ladies reportedly dropped off by the police.. some suggested they may have been sex workers, informants, mistresses.. maybe they were just two ladies getting a lift from the police. Maybe the car outside Yorkies all in all was just a coincidence.

Another thing is, going back to the notion of Damien having gone in the water.. well if the police were corrupt you'd think they's enthusiastically roll with that. "Great! We'll take that, yeah he drowned". In actuality they did have kind of this attitude ininitally, however by now they have admitted they are looking at it as a suspicious disappearance and a possible murder enquiry, bringing in suspects n' all. So the police are on-board with the foul play theory, and not trying to suppress it.. unless.. they had little choice because of how hard the Nettles family pursued from the off.. after a few years they had to concede and play like they were doing the right thing. That said even if it was police corruption I think that was then and while some from then are probably still in the police.. much of the individuals are different and if anything the police now might be more inclined to investigate their own predecessors.

I think it's a possible angle.. but I do primarily believe it was Nicky Mac's crew. His death is suspicious as well. As you can see in comments on his eulogy Nicolas John McNamara people said he was starting to recover, get back to his old self.. the needle was in his back, possible but difficult.. maybe someone was worried he was going to talk. One of the guys in the house when Mac died has since committed suicide. I'm not sure but suspect aside from Mac and that guy it was just Shirley in the house; the last survivor. I don't suspect she was involved in Damien's death firsthand though, so don't see why she'd kill Mac if he were gonna' talk.

Again Mac's crew could all be a red herring though. Easy to blame local drug gang, maybe they use Damien as a threat to others, implying they did it for street cred but actually not involved.. Spencer getting the witness statements could be because witnesses were telling lies, not because they were telling the truth. Nicky Mac agitated by mentions of Damien because people thought it was him, not because it was him.

And I do think that the guys in the Yorkies CCTV are a little suspicious. They were military guys on training. I doubt they'd do that on purpose, however if it happened, I think they'd be the guys who could cover it up efficiently, especially if they had access to boats which I believe they did (could've weighted and dumped that night). They would be gone soon, and if they were questioned they'd be tough to crack... which they weren't even questioned until the next decade, so by that time they can all just play "it's been too long I don't remember that". They could've buried him not weighted and dumped, and again being military guys could do a good job of it.

Here is the full available video of the Yorkies CCTV

In the next post I will share my thoughts on this video. By the way it's been a while since I've gotten into this case so I realise I'm saying a lot of things without backing them up at this time, if I come across where I've read these things again I will post them here. If anyone wants to know where I found anything specifically I will see if I can find it again.
 

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