CA - Mass shooting at Gilroy Garlic Festival, 3 dead up to 11 injured, 28 July 2019

[cvaldez1975]

I had to google the definition of incel. I am utterly shocked.

its a thing. much to find about it in the reddit rabbit hole

 

[cvaldez1975]

ok there was just a presser but idk how to link them. i shared it on my fb, would that link transfer over?

 

[cvaldez1975]

Gilroy Garlic Festival Shooting | KRON4

 

[steeltowngirl]

I'm really angry because I feel entitled to have women want to date me and have sex with me but I'm super creepy so they won't. So I'm really angry.

^^ That very line of thinking led George Sodini to kill 3 innocent women at an LA Fitness near Pittsburgh in 2009.

 

[human]

During the 19th century it was proposed that "Aryan" was also the self-designation of the Proto-Indo-Europeans.[8] Based on speculations that the Proto-Indo-European homeland was located in northern Europe, a 19th-century hypothesis which is now abandoned, the word developed a racialist meaning.[8]

The Nazis used the word "Aryan" to describe people in a racial sense. The Nazi official Alfred Rosenberg believed that the Nordic race was descended from Proto-Aryans, who he believed had prehistorically dwelt on the North German Plain and who had ultimately originated from the lost continent of Atlantis.[30] According to Nazi racial theory, the term "Aryan" described the Germanic peoples.[31] However, a satisfactory definition of "Aryan" remained problematic during Nazi Germany.[32]

The Nazis considered the purest Aryans to be those that belonged to the "Nordic race" physical ideal, known as the "master race" during Nazi Germany.[note 5] Although the physical ideal of the Nazi racial theorists was typically the tall, fair-haired and light-eyed Nordic individual, such theorists accepted the fact that a considerable variety of hair and eye colour existed within the racial categories they recognised. For example, Adolf Hitler and many Nazi officials had dark hair and were still considered members of the Aryan race under Nazi racial doctrine, because the determination of an individual's racial type depended on a preponderance of many characteristics in an individual rather than on just one defining feature.[34]


Apparently the Nazis used the word to describe their own ideal race, not necessarily people that are from Iran. It seems they think Aryans are from Northern Europe.

There are plenty of blonde blue eyed Iranians.

What did they think Indo was?

 

[human]

Yes. Let's be clear. The contemporary white power/neo-Nazi movement considers both Persians and Italians (as well as Greeks, Turks, Spaniards, Portuguese, etc.) to be "mud races".

However, various disgruntled youth who would not be considered to be part of the Nordic "pure" races are drawn to this angry, hateful ideology and embrace it because it's evil - not because they fit.

It is pathetic because they have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[10ofRods]

And Elliot Roger, if no one has mentioned him, is the poster boy for incel mass shootings (6 in Isla Vista).

 

[human]

BBM.

Well, that's actually not true as your link shows. While the term appropriately refers to people of Indian descent and Iranians adopted it, etc., the Nazis did not interpret it to describe anyone but Nordic peoples:

"Drawing on misinterpreted references in the Rig Veda by Western scholars in the 19th century, the term "Aryan" was adopted as a racial category through the works of Arthur de Gobineau, whose ideology of race was based on an idea of blonde northern European "Aryans" who had migrated across the world and founded all major civilizations, before being diluted through racial mixing with local populations. Through the works of Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Gobineau's ideas later influenced the Nazi racial ideology which saw "Aryan peoples" as innately superior to other putative racial groups."

From your link.

All that matters is without rhyme or reason, various people (including those with Jewish and black ancestry), have adopted the ideology or promoted it, simply because they're stupid and alienated losers, some of whom are self-hating.

Wasn't there another recent mass murderer/shooter who actually had a black father or something and hated him so he adopted Nazi ideology?

None of these cowards are capable of logic.

That is the irony of it all. They were and are espousing the Aryan race which came north. The Aryan race was diluted by people as they migrated north not the other way. They were not diluted as they moved south.

 

[Fairy1]

Yes. Let's be clear. The contemporary white power/neo-Nazi movement considers both Persians and Italians (as well as Greeks, Turks, Spaniards, Portuguese, etc.) to be "mud races".

However, various disgruntled youth who would not be considered to be part of the Nordic "pure" races are drawn to this angry, hateful ideology and embrace it because it's evil - not because they fit.

Agree, gitana. The sad thing is, we're ALL "mud races" by now. Yet there are so many "disgruntled" youths subscribing to this hateful ideology. It's exactly what created the Taliban and ISIS. Those who feel dispossessed, marginalized, disrespected, etc. Those who are hopeless and believe the world owes them something. Yes, many of them are Incels. Never taught to look within, but truly believing they are entitled to whatever they want.

IMO, our society has done a great disservice in attempting to convince our children they are special and amazing and entitled. This is the result of that, IMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

There are plenty of blonde blue eyed Iranians.

What did they think Indo was?

I'm not sure how that can be true since only about ten or fifteen percent of the world's population has blue eyes.

Is there a reason why this is being brought up?

 

[Kubirai]

And Elliot Roger, if no one has mentioned him, is the poster boy for incel mass shootings (6 in Isla Vista).

Alek Minassian used a van to murder a dozen people in Toronto on April 23, 2018. He posted a note for "Supreme Gentleman Elliott Rogers" before the rampage.

 

[gitana1]

It is pathetic because they have no idea what they are talking about.

True. It's embarrassing.

 

[human]

I'm not sure how that can be true since only about ten or fifteen percent of the world's population has blue eyes.

Is there a reason why this is being brought up?

Because there was a quote by the killer about white women. It was suggested because he is Iranian that there maybe a slur about that.

But he is of the Aryan race. I know many many Iranians and there is an area where they are blonde and blue eyed.

Blond & Blue Eyed Iranians | The Iranian

 

[gitana1]

Agree, gitana. The sad thing is, we're ALL "mud races" by now. Yet there are so many "disgruntled" youths subscribing to this hateful ideology. It's exactly what created the Taliban and ISIS. Those who feel dispossessed, marginalized, disrespected, etc. Those who are hopeless and believe the world owes them something. Yes, many of them are Incels. Never taught to look within, but truly believing they are entitled to whatever they want.

IMO, our society has done a great disservice in attempting to convince our children they are special and amazing and entitled. This is the result of that, IMO.

Yeah. I mean racism is insanity to me. We share 98.7 % DNA with chimps. So how different can we be from one another? We've been mixing for tens of thousands of years. There really is no such thing as race as racists define it.

Two random people from Africa will have more in common genetically with a random Caucasian person than they would with one another. I learned that in physical anthropology.

But it's about what type of person is drawn to this nonsense.

And it's sometimes not only one violent ideology. But multiple.

 

[gitana1]

Alek Minassian used a van to murder a dozen people in Toronto on April 23, 2018. He posted a note for "Supreme Gentleman Elliott Rogers" before the rampage.

Yeah Supreme gentleman my tail. You know if Rogers wasn't such an absolutely immature creep he wouldn't have died a virgin. He was a fairly handsome guy. But he was rude and creepy. As they all are.

 

[MsBetsy]

Because there was a quote by the killer about white women. It was suggested because he is Iranian that there maybe a slur about that.

But he is of the Aryan race. I know many many Iranians and there is an area where they are blonde and blue eyed.

Blond & Blue Eyed Iranians | The Iranian

What was the quote about white women?

I only saw the criticism of the type of people at the fair (mestizos) and about silicon valley people.

He indicated that his grandfather was Iranian but that doesn't really tell us much about his background.
He also described himself as Italian.
I'm still not sure what having blond hair or blue eyes has to do with it.
Did he have blue eyes?

 

[Dawookie]

I'm really angry because I feel entitled to have women want to date me and have sex with me but I'm super creepy so they won't. So I'm really angry.

Exactly what went through my mind when I heard the term.

 

[danzn16]

What was the quote about white women?

I only saw the criticism of the type of people at the fair (mestizos) and about silicon valley people.

He indicated that his grandfather was Iranian but that doesn't really tell us much about his background.
He also described himself as Italian.
I'm still not sure what having blond hair or blue eyes has to do with it.
Did he have blue eyes?

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well dang can't link that for some reason. Just google his instagram post of smokey the bear and read comment.

And no it appears he had brown eyes.

People are discussing he mentioned a book that had white supremacy ideology and he mentioned mixed race people and silicon valley inhabitants and a slur for female anatomy. I'm assuming the white supremacy as well as the fact he identified with being italian/iranian brought the nazi topic up

 

[Richard]

Trying to rationalize or understand reasons for this mass murder and others like it is an exercise in futility.

It really does not matter what race, color, religion, sexual orientation, or political party he was associated with. Mental illness is something that can affect anyone, and that is ultimately what the cause of these tragedies usually is.

The shooter most likely was acting in a manner which made perfect sense to him. He had a logic system that would seem totally without sense to most people, but to him it was all "logical". Nothing anyone did at that gathering caused him to act out and nothing could have prevented him from carrying out his actions. Nothing short of taking him out of society for a length of time and treating his mental condition.

Certainly not all persons who suffer from a mental illness or disability are threats to themselves or others, but some are, as evidenced by so many publicized incidents of violence. Our country has become very sensitive to the rights of persons with mental illness, but to a point where the "rights" of certain individuals impact the rights of others in a tragic way.

 

[Inthedetails]

But it's about what type of person is drawn to this nonsense.

And it's sometimes not only one violent ideology. But multiple.

Snipped by me.

I agree. And we haven't heard too much about him, other than that IG account which is disturbing, but also confusing.

I'd like to know more about his teen years - were there signs that he was heading in a disturbing direction. So far, we don't know much about him at all.

I know people will say that don't want to know anything about him other than he is a killer. I respect that, and I hope people will also respect that some of us are very interested in finding out what makes these killers tick, what send them on that path, etc.

jmo