TX - 22 killed, 26 injured at Walmart, Cielo Vista, El Paso, 3 Aug 2019 *ARREST*

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This is very interesting!

I would think there is something in between the experience of childhood trauma and the onset of the crisis in the weeks/months leading up to the shooting (between the first and second items on the list above).

Plenty of people experience trauma in childhood and who manage to go on to live healthy lives. Not every child who experiences trauma later shoots people. So I'm thinking there must be another common denominator that indicates the child never healed from the trauma. THAT missing link is worth finding, imo.

In fact, some people who experience trauma as children or later in life credit that trauma for giving them strength, determination, sense of connection to people who helped them, purpose, compassion.

Trauma doesn't need to lead to life-long anger and eventually violence - but in these mass-shooting cases it seems to. What's the difference between who recovers from trauma and who doesn't?


jmo
In my humble opinion these shooters are not "alt-right" or "nationalists" or "nazis".
I think they just have some (huge) mental issues and they use nationalism, nationalsocialism or any other ideology just to hide their psychosis.

There is no insanity defense any more. Millions of people with psychological issues mange not to kill people. The individual that killed, who took actions to kill others is the one responsible.
 
There is no insanity defense any more. Millions of people with psychological issues mange not to kill people. The individual that killed, who took actions to kill others is the one responsible.
I agree that millions of people have mental issues but don't kill. Maybe they have "not violent" mental issues.
Those who kill have violent mental issues I suppose :(
 
I agree! The first ones were taken off old SM site and he is much younger, the mugshot obviously is how he looks now.
MOO- It kind of looks like one of those pictures they make to show people the difference in how you look before and after drugs...He looks rough
 
In my humble opinion these shooters are not "alt-right" or "nationalists" or "nazis".
I think they just have some (huge) mental issues and they use nationalism, nationalsocialism or any other ideology just to hide their psychosis.
Good Point. And imo those who use these mentally ill/psychopathic murderers, to enspouse their own fanatical beliefs have the same issue, (if to a lesser degree).
 
In my humble opinion these shooters are not "alt-right" or "nationalists" or "nazis".
I think they just have some (huge) mental issues and they use nationalism, nationalsocialism or any other ideology just to hide their psychosis.

They are socially alienated and need a sense of belonging. They need a sense of community.

I agree that millions of people have mental issues but don't kill. Maybe they have "not violent" mental issues.
Those who kill have violent mental issues I suppose :(

I do not think mental illness is much of a factor. There are mass killers who are mentally ill, but they are rare. These people are injustice collectors/grudge holders. They live a life of resentment.
 
In my opinion this will unfold to be far different than our “quick to draw conclusions “ politicians have portrayed it. That manifesto is a cluster. When all is said and done, this depraved nut job will end up being a part of a terror organization, but it won’t be the so called “white nationalist “ group.
He had also spoke of Antifa as heroic
 
This is very interesting!

I would think there is something in between the experience of childhood trauma and the onset of the crisis in the weeks/months leading up to the shooting (between the first and second items on the list above).

Plenty of people experience trauma in childhood and who manage to go on to live healthy lives. Not every child who experiences trauma later shoots people. So I'm thinking there must be another common denominator that indicates the child never healed from the trauma. THAT missing link is worth finding, imo.

In fact, some people who experience trauma as children or later in life credit that trauma for giving them strength, determination, sense of connection to people who helped them, purpose, compassion.

Trauma doesn't need to lead to life-long anger and eventually violence - but in these mass-shooting cases it seems to. What's the difference between who recovers from trauma and who doesn't?


jmo
His father was a therapist and the CEO of a mental health hospital that recently shut down before the state did it due to their activities.
 
I'm not a professor of international law but I think Mexico can't ask for extradition...
Even if some of the victims are Mexican citizens the crime was committed in the USA.
(probably the shooter would love to be extradited in Mexico, because Mexico has no death penalty...)
The USA could start asking them for reparations for the us citizens killed by illegal alien Mexican citizens here.
 
Classmates of El Paso Walmart shooter reveal he started rumor his peer had joined the Taliban | Daily Mail Online

School friends of the El Paso Walmart shooter described him to DailyMail.com as socially awkward and a loner who was bullied – but who had an intense interest in law enforcement and started a rumor that an Egyptian-American fellow student was a member of 'the Taliban.'

Former classmate Tristan Rutkoske, 20, who now works at a waiter in the Dallas area, went to Beverly Elementary, Hendrick Middle School and Plano High School with Crusius, who graduated from Plano High School in 2017.

Rutkoske, who suffers from dyslexia and ADHD said he was friends with Crusius for more than 10 years and was in the same special ed classes with the 21-year old from elementary school to high school.


He said he didn't know why Crusius was in special education classes but said he was 'off and socially awkward.'

He was soulless, he lacked emotion, you couldn't see any feeling in his eyes, he was an empty vessel.
 
They are socially alienated and need a sense of belonging. They need a sense of community.

I do not think mental illness is much of a factor. There are mass killers who are mentally ill, but they are rare. These people are injustice collectors/grudge holders. They live a life of resentment.
bbm
With all due respect, you say that about almost every case here.

"Injustice Collecters" or not, something is wrong in the heads of these murderers, I dont believe there is ANY way to give them "a sense of belonging and community".

You can't install software on a hardrive thats broken. These beings are inherently flawed. imo
 
I‘m from Germany and I never visited the US. So my perspective is different than yours.

Most of the persons, who go on Amok don’t seem to be very clever. In Germany and in the US. But in Germany even for an intelligent person itˋs rather difficult to organize a weapon, if you want to go for a shooting.
 

One does not have to be an expert to know this: i was talking about this aspect of these killers with my husband: they yearn for fame and the media helps them get it. The media talks about their childhood, what they were like in school; they interview people who knew them. it makes me sick. we (society) give them what they want, what they yearn for--and my very favorite that all the news anchors say "they are still searching for a motive". Really? i will tell you what their motive is: to kill as many people as possible and to be famous.
 
It goes both ways too. Almost everytime people who commit these murders are white people then minorities and blacks laugh and say see, another one. These white kids are crazy which divides us even more.

We are divided as a country and have been. We need to stop with racism in general but I feel it wont ever end.
 
In my humble opinion these shooters are not "alt-right" or "nationalists" or "nazis".
I think they just have some (huge) mental issues and they use nationalism, nationalsocialism or any other ideology just to hide their psychosis.

I don't think they have psychosis at all. The show no signs most of them. You can't really hide that.

They have defects of character. They're losers. And yes, many are indeed alt-right. Some become radical Muslims. Some are anti-government. Some racist. But while tolerance of neo-nazism and promotion of racist rhetoric can certainly provide a fuel, a lot of these types aren't really motivated by an ideology. They just find something to justify their desire to hurt others

I don't think hate speech triggers these young, entitled types. They seek it out. Some of the more disturbed, older dudes who showed paranoid behavior for years and then shot up a synagogue or whatever? I do think in those case they're different and they were triggered - their paranoia was fostered.

But these younger ones just seem to be sexually frustrated, entitled social outcasts who fester with simmering rage that they don't have what they think the should. Then they go looking for something to give them an excuse to seek revenge on the happy. IMO.
 
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