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On Google Maps it looks like there is a big dam between that location and the Hudson Bay. From my (very limited!) experience of river searches, there is quite a bit of science to locating a person or thing in a river. They can analyse the conditions and make a pretty good guestimate of how far someone might have floated or swam or where a submerged body may resurface. I would assume the LE have someone doing this which is how they chose the location for the divers to do their thing.
I am revisiting my theory that they left Gillam before anyone knew they were there. That seems less likely in light of the new information. Let's hope this is the big break everyone has been waiting for.
so we know there is large game there, but what about small game? geese? duck? what might they catch to eat?
so we know there is large game there, but what about small game? geese? duck? what might they catch to eat?
Renata and Melissa Tait have been seriously the 2 best media persons out there since the rest of media left. I also noticed the items they've found were found Saturday Aug 3.Renata D'Aliesio @RenataDAliesio
Update from RCMP. Rowboat was found on Friday, Aug. 2, not Saturday. https://www.facebook.com/485338141556769/posts/2340852522671979/?sfnsn=mo …
12:35 PM - 6 Aug 2019 pst
I bet they did! And then ate half of that pork chop!
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
I can't find it now but early on there was a report that there were more rabbits than normal this year in the area. I guess they were breeding like...well...rabbits. (Yes, I'm a dad)so we know there is large game there, but what about small game? geese? duck? what might they catch to eat?
Did they find more pork chops?
Well, that’s the problem with all this.Starting to think the items left behind were red herrings and just wanted police to believe they drowned.
From the MB RCMP Facebook page:
Aug 6/19 15 min ago
As the search for Kam Mcleod and Bryer Schmelgsky continues, we are able to provide the following update.
On August 3, 2019, RCMP located several items on the shoreline, approximately 9 km from where the burnt vehicle was located. RCMP have confirmed that these items are directly linked to the suspects. That same day, a damaged boat was also found along the Nelson River.
Based on this information, RCMP Underwater Recovery Team (URT) were immediately deployed. On August 4, 2019, URT conducted a thorough underwater search approximately 29 metres around the location where the boat was found. The search did not uncover any additional items linked to the suspects.
The roadblock on PR 290 has been removed, but officers remain in the Gillam area.
To ensure the integrity of the investigation, no further information about the items will be provided at this time.
ETA: date/time of post
Very interesting! That tells us that after burning the vehicle, they maybe wandered around a bit and ended up on the shore of the river. That makes it far more likely that they stole a boat and flipped in the rapids - could be in the Hudson Bay by now.
I've said this a few times on here, but I feel like BS's dad was taken advantage of by the media. In fact, some of his later stuff (like the book) wasn't even reported on by mainstream media and was the focus of tabloids. He reminds me of people I know who have a lot of mental health issues, are going through a lot, have no filter when they talk, and need help. The difference is the people I know don't have the international media knocking on their door and wanting a statement. He doesn't seem to have a support structure of people who could rein him in and advise him not to talk. He has been quiet for several days now, and I sincerely hope it is because someone, even if it was just Victim Services, was able to take him in hand and tell him that talking to the media wasn't going to help him or help Bryer.
I feel really bad for the McLeod family, too--I think his dad said something about not even being able to talk without sobbing--but I get the sense they are savvier about this and also perhaps just have a much less dysfunctional family dynamic, so it is a lot easier for them to maintain a united front, stay quiet, avoid the media, and only release a handful of carefully worded but relatively normal-seeming statements to the press.
I don't blame either family for this. BS's childhood sounds miserable, admittedly, but other people have worse childhoods and don't kill anyone. I do agree that his dad sounds like he genuinely loved BS and was proud of him, even if he wasn't always in his son's life. His grandma seemed the same way. Even though he didn't seem to have a lot of stability growing up, I don't think BS was unaware that they adored him.
Not to belabour the book thing but do regular people just up and write a book about their lives to be published for the whole world to read? I can see a bit of a biography to pass down to your future generations at some point might be a valid reason. I guess its not the fact that he wrote the book but the timing of its release was terrible and I question his motives. Someone should have advised him not to do that.
Edited to add: The whole thing struck me as self-serving and kinda illustrated that the adults in BS's life may not have been setting the best examples for him (not blaming the Dad for his son's actions but I do think that it explains some of how things got to where they are now.)
so we know there is large game there, but what about small game? geese? duck? what might they catch to eat?
They left Port Alberni on July 12, time unknown.
There is no time of death for any of the victims
No one knows any of the routes, just dates for confirmed sightings
Chynna and Lucas left the ranch at Hudson Hope on July 13.
Here's one of the links:
"Deese joined Fowler at the ranch he'd been working at in Hudson's Hope, B.C., before they left on their three-week Alaskan road trip on July 13."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...-centre-of-2-northern-b-c-mysteries-1.5221041
Search for the grandmother for the July 12 date leaving Port Alberni.
I suspect you're right. If I'm not mistaken, they burned their car near where the road petered out anyway? Seems like from there they must have set out on foot rather than grabbing another vehicle, and the river/creek would have been the most significant thing to follow. There's an odd logic to it, but it's still a baffling decision, based on how everyone has described the terrain up there.They must have followed the Sundance Creek from their car to the Nelson River. It's 7km as the crow flies, and probably closer to 9 if they followed the creek.
There will be fish in the water.
It seems to me that they obtained a paper atlas, perhaps from Prof. Dyck vehicle, and chose the shortest northern route to Gillam.Creeps me out to know they drove right past my grandparents' place. There's one stretch of highway between Meadow Lake and the road to Manitoba that they had to have taken (quite literally the only route).
wow, so they only made it 9km by boat?