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I have read nothing confirmed that FD was actually involved in the slaughter of animals. Other posters have said that skins are delivered to the tanning company for processing. I used to live in a town that was built on tanning/manufacture of a certain leather product. It's a dying industry there now, but I was never aware that they ever had anything to do with the slaughter of an animal. Could have been different in Greece. Working in the slaughter industry has severe effects on people:
The Psychological Damage of Slaughterhouse Work
Who knows what it would do to a child. This question has been raised before here. Frankly, I don't see the "upscale" Dulos family being very hands on with something like this. I have no pity for a sociopath no matter what they have experienced. They know full well the effects their actions have on others and they certainly have control over it. They know they are bad or they wouldn't feel the need to lie and cover up all the time. They should all be rounded up and kept away from decent people. IMO.
Its so hard to say how seeing the slaughter process would/could impact a child as everyones psych makeup and maturity level is different throughout childhood. Perhaps a sensitive child might react dramaticially differently versus someone that is less aware or in touch with emotions or doesn't feel much in the way of sympathy or empathy?
I've met people that saw a lobster dropped into a hot pot as a child and the noise the lobster makes for an instant when it hits the water becomes something that child never forgets and carries through to adulthood. Some children are that sensitive. Other children, not so much. I've known other people that grew up hunting from the time they were 8-10 and its a way of life for them and its had zero impact that I can see on their ability to experience deeply a wide range of emotions in a healthy way and they are brilliant partners and parents.
IDK, its a tough call about FD because he seems to like highly violent and bloody movies. Was he immune to what he might have seen with the animals in the tanning operation he might have seen as a child or was he fascinated with it and craved the blood and gore and knife work?
But if a child were sensitive and perhaps forced to participate in the process or even visiting a tanning operation then I would think that the impact might be dramatic and impactful over their lifetime. My guess is that FD was not this sensitive child as from everything we have seen FD has demonstrated zero empathy or caring and as others have mentioned has many of the classic signs of a malignant narcopath. My guess is this is simply the way he is wired emotionally and the most likely experience he had with tanning was learning excellent knife skills and how to take apart a carcass. Pure speculation on my part!
Something that might be closer to the experience of some people here might be hunting. Lots of people hunt all over the world and I'm not sure you can draw any correlation as to hunters being sociopaths or violent criminals. But some children simply cannot face the entire process of hunting and I would bet that the tanning experience might have been similar for FD growing up. I also wonder how much direct experience he might have had with the operations or as the oldest son was he made to participate and visit the operation from a young age? IDK.
I've seen large and medium size animal commerical slaughterhouses in action as well as the process of small scale butchering large animals. The experience is not for the faint of heart or emotionally fragile IMO as its hard, physical, bloody, smelly and frankly grizzly and gruesome even in an highly mechanized industrial setting. I wouldn't think a tanning operation would be all that different if they did their own processing. Just a guess. But even if the processing of the hides was done elsewhere the process of preparing the hides has many of the smells of a slaughter operations but just combined with alot of chemicals IMO.
I just keep circling back to JD blog posting about FD loving the blood and gore of Django Untangled and other similar movies. We've talked to death the idea of dragging your partner to a movie where they are wired such that they will keep their eyes closed and ears plugged the entire time or feel like they need to leave the theater as JD said she was. Who would do this to their partner? IMO that movie Django was the extreme end of gratuitous violence against human beings and that was what so upsetting to JD but apparently it oddly amused or fascinated FD.
So much of the testimony in Family Court, comments from JD friends and overall behavior in the divorce and in civil court tell us precisely who FD is as a human being. I'm not sure I could hear much more that would surprise me other than something physically or emotionally horrific he might have done to one of the children (this probably wouldn't surprise me BTW as I think he would do anything to get his way even if he were dealing with a child which is what makes him so dangerous to children IMO).
IMO he systematically conducted an emotional unraveling of JD that put her in a place of extreme emotional pain and she couldn't believe what was happening to herself as who wants to believe that someone that loves you would commit such horror? But FD did this to JD IMO and I don't for a second think he loved her ever. He did this unraveling most likely all while feeling the victim and blaming her for all that was wrong in his life and all while enjoying the Farber wealth and privilege.
We could debate for ages how FD took JD from her NYC upbringing and life, isolated her in Farmington and then proceeded to remove the aspects of her that didn't fit with his ideal of the 'typical greek wife'. He seemed to remove her religion, didn't allow her to pick her childrens names (all Greek) and its unclear if only Greek holidays were celebrated. His playbook could have been Art of War as frankly that's how so much of what seemed to play out in the marriage seemed to be. But it was masterfully done I think as JD blogs seemed to show her questioning herself and her capacity for perfection as defined by FD constantly. To me, that is what makes the JD blog entries so hard to read as you saw her being pulled apart piece by piece over a long period of time.
DV is a hugely complicated topic and I'm not sure FD knew anything about DV, but IMO he could give a PhD level course in all aspects of classic 'wheel of violence' as he broke down JD over the course of their marriage. It makes me hugely sad that Family Court could do so little to protect JD and her children from someone who I believe should never have ever been a father and had access to impresionable young minds.
If there is a psych exam in the Family Court I hope they pick a psychologist that specializes in DV and has deep knowledge of the narcopath makeup so that the mask is ripped off the monster who we know here as FD once as for all and that he and his family is never allowed access to his 5 children.
So sorry for the long post but I've been trying to process alot of these particular issues in the case and writing helps me put some pieces together in the puzzle. I usually write offline but to me this entire issue of DV is so central to this case that I wanted to put my random thoughts here in hopes that others would add to them.
The more I think about the issues, the more it seems like the tragic case of JD really is a classic DV case but hidden behind a thin veneer of surface perfection and played out amidst wealth and priviledge and beautiful suburban real estate and all the trappings. I wonder if she ever got to the place where she thought she was enough and good simply the way she was? I hope so. As I make my way through the family court documents I'm simply unsure how JD managed to last as long as she did in a marriage to FD, as it must have been horrific.
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