TX SAVE James

[rosesfromangels]

Anything irreversible should not transpired until the child is considered an adult. In most states that is age 21.

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[MarziPanda]

Not accurate. Some parents are giving their children hormone blockers so they never undergo puberty. There is this show on TLC about transgender child who started on hormone blockers at age 11. And it's not reversible when a biologically male child starts getting hormone blockers at a young age. When it came time for gender reassignment surgery (tlc show) let's just say the surgery was very difficult because certain organ hardly developed due to hormone blockers, so there was not enough tissue/skin to invert it as done in male to female transition.

I don't know where you're getting your information (if it's just the TLC show, I don't think that's a good source) but nothing I wrote is incorrect. I have several friends in the US who are transgender, many of whom I have known since we were all teenagers (via the internet). I also have several transgender friends here in the UK (I am a part of several LGBTQ communities). Children are only allowed puberty blockers in the US and UK if it is agreed by doctors, including gender specialists. Puberty blockers are 100% reversible. If they are stopped, puberty will proceed as usual. What you are describing is that the genitalia are underdeveloped from taking puberty blockers, yes, but said genitalia would develop normally if the person were to stop taking puberty blockers, even if they stopped as adults. Many would rather die.

Puberty blockers save lives. I have no doubt that many of my friends would not be here today if they hadn't had access to puberty blockers as teens. Going through the wrong puberty for how they identify is part of the reason why trans teen suicide rates are so high.

 

[jjenny]

I don't know where you're getting your information (if it's just the TLC show, I don't think that's a good source) but nothing I wrote is incorrect. I have several friends in the US who are transgender, many of whom I have known since we were all teenagers (via the internet). I also have several transgender friends here in the UK (I am a part of several LGBTQ communities). Children are only allowed puberty blockers in the US and UK if it is agreed by doctors, including gender specialists. Puberty blockers are 100% reversible. If they are stopped, puberty will proceed as usual. What you are describing is that the genitalia are underdeveloped from taking puberty blockers, yes, but said genitalia would develop normally if the person were to stop taking puberty blockers, even if they stopped as adults. Many would rather die.

Puberty blockers save lives. I have no doubt that many of my friends would not be here today if they hadn't had access to puberty blockers as teens. Going through the wrong puberty for how they identify is part of the reason why trans teen suicide rates are so high.

100 % reversible? Says who? If a certain organ hasn't developed, you think it will just grow as normal when blockers stop?
There is a lot of unknown about puberty blockers.
When Transgender Kids Transition, Medical Risks are Both Known and Unknown

 

[jjenny]

Furthermore, research has been limited so all consequences aren't known. It's unclear what happens to brain development and bone mass and growth.

And that's what happened to biological male (transgender female) on tlc show. She had complications from surgery because there was hardly any tissue available.

"Finally, for trans girls (natal boys with a female gender identification), the blockage of phallic growth may result in less genital tissue available for an optimal vaginoplasty.44"
Buying time or arresting development? The dilemma of administering hormone blockers in trans children and adolescents - ScienceDirect

 

[jjenny]

I also find it hard to believe that classmates with whom this child goes to school don't know he is a biological male. With his short hair and facial features which are those of a male, even if he is in a dress, seems like it would be pretty obvious he is a male and not a female. Children can be pretty cruel as we all know, so I wonder how the child is doing in school.

 

[jjenny]

"When young dysphoric males are given hormone blockers at the onset of puberty, it stops genital growth (“micro penis”) and this becomes permanent if the youth goes on to cross-sex hormones. There isn’t any evidence available as to whether all of these effects on sexual function in a pubertal male are “fully reversible,” if the youth stops blockers and resumes a “normal puberty.” If the youth does not want to go through life with an 11-year-old’s penis, the youth will now have to have a portion of their colon or peritoneal lining around the stomach extracted, along with skin from the abdomen, in order to make a “neovagina” (rather than inverting a penis, which is how it is done on adults)."
HORMONE BLOCKERS, TRANS YOUTH, & PERMANENT SIDE EFFECTS SUCH AS STERILITY & LOSS OF SEXUAL FUNCTION — Gender Health Query

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

https://nypost.com/2019/10/24/paren...-gender-transition-case-retain-equal-custody/

The father of a 7-year-old Texas boy whose mom wants him to transition to a girl will retain a say in any medical treatments, reports said Thursday — as the state’s attorney general called for a child abuse probe.

The ruling means both parents will need to sign off on any medical procedures for James, including any steps to transition his gender, the report said.

 

[jjenny]

https://nypost.com/2019/10/24/paren...-gender-transition-case-retain-equal-custody/

The father of a 7-year-old Texas boy whose mom wants him to transition to a girl will retain a say in any medical treatments, reports said Thursday — as the state’s attorney general called for a child abuse probe.

The ruling means both parents will need to sign off on any medical procedures for James, including any steps to transition his gender, the report said.

That's good because I am far from convinced this child is actually transgender. He seems happy acting as a male when around his father.

 

[forthelost]

The idea we don't know anything about puberty-delaying drugs is sort of ridiculous, since they've been used for precocious puberty for decades. Why would side effects show up differently when given for another reason?

 

[jjenny]

The idea we don't know anything about puberty-delaying drugs is sort of ridiculous, since they've been used for precocious puberty for decades. Why would side effects show up differently when given for another reason?

Who exactly says we don't know anything? Knowing nothing and not knowing everything aren't one and the same. Delaying puberty for a short period of time or taking these hormone blockers and estrogen for years are presumably not one and the same either.
If this child were to start on hormone blockers and estrogen at a young age, when he is an adult, what if he decides he isn't transgender? I presume he will end up a short male with breasts and a micro-penis. Are you telling me it's all going to be reversible and he will end up looking as if he never took those hormone blockers and estrogen?

 

[jjenny]

"Georgulas reportedly wanted to enroll James as a patient at the GENECIS in Dallas in their “Gender Affirming Care Program” for youth. On its website, the clinic says it offers hormone therapy and puberty suppression therapy along with mental health and social services. It does not currently offer “gender transition” surgery. Georgulas and Younger now have joint decision-making power over James’ enrollment in the program. Judge Cooks also reportedly issued a gag order against Jeffrey Younger, which means he is not allowed to discuss the case with members of the press."

In Younger transgender case, judge grants joint authority

 

[forthelost]

Who exactly says we don't know anything? Knowing nothing and not knowing everything aren't one and the same. Delaying puberty for a short period of time or taking these hormone blockers and estrogen for years are presumably not one and the same either.
If this child were to start on hormone blockers and estrogen at a young age, when he is an adult, what if he decides he isn't transgender? I presume he will end up a short male with breasts and a micro-penis. Are you telling me it's all going to be reversible and he will end up looking as if he never took those hormone blockers and estrogen?

Estrogen isn't given with puberty blockers, it is given in place of them. And while estrogen is not reversible, blockers are, as soon as you stop taking them.

The person mentioned above who took blockers? Got surgery anyway.

 

[jjenny]

Estrogen isn't given with puberty blockers, it is given in place of them. And while estrogen is not reversible, blockers are, as soon as you stop taking them.

The person mentioned above who took blockers? Got surgery anyway.

Person had surgery, had complications (because of tension stitches popped), had to have another surgery.
Blockers and estrogen could be given together for someone who is transitioning (in fact its now recommended). Blockers would start at age 11 and estrogen at age 16 for a male transitioning to female. So if James' mother was allowed to make all decisions, whatever done could have been irreversible by the time James turned 18.
When Transgender Kids Transition, Medical Risks are Both Known and Unknown

 

[jjenny]

Here are the complications of gender confirmation surgery done on that person likely because the person didn't have enough penile tissue for a procedure.
"And when I looked, the whole thing had split open.”
A complication and a second surgery for trans teen Jazz Jennings before returning to South Florida

 

[forthelost]

Myths and false concerns about puberty blockers

 

[jjenny]

Since judge decided both parents have to make medical decisions, I don't think this child is going to get puberty blockers or estrogen any time soon. Furthermore, if the child is perfectly happy acting and dressing as a male when around his father, how is he transgender? He presumably should be distressed by an idea of dressing and acting as a boy, if he truly was transgender.

 

[jjenny]

Apparently AG asked CPS to investigate. In so called suspected medical child abuse cases, CPS separates child from a parent for a period of time, to see if child still reports the symptoms. I wonder if this child was separated from both parents for a period of time, would he claim to be a boy or a girl? So far it would appear he says he is a girl around his mother, but a boy around his father. What happens if he is around neither parent?

"Marissa Gonzales, a spokesperson with the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, said the department “has begun investigating the allegations,” responding to the letter sent by the attorney general. ”
Custody battle between parents who disagree on gender of their 7-year-old draws attention of Texas politicians - KVIA

 

[jjenny]

Maybe I am missing something, but if child appears comfortable as a male, female, or gender nonspecific, wouldn't it make sense to raise him as a male since he is biologically a male? He would not need hormone blockers, hormones, or surgeries, and would be able to have biological children of his own.
What benefit could possibly be achieved then of raising him as a female? As it is, he goes to school in a dress. I am pretty sure all the classmates can guess he is a male in a dress. Right now he is only 7, but what is going to happen later if he continues going to school dressed like a female? A transgender child would presumably be distressed of having to live as his biological gender. But this child is obviously not distressed if he is comfortable as a male.

"The judge ruled that the child “appears comfortable as a male, female, or gender nonspecific.”"
Custody battle between parents who disagree on gender of their 7-year-old draws attention of Texas politicians - KVIA

 

[jjenny]

As this judge ruled that the child appears comfortable as a male, female, or gender nonspecific, then he by definition doesn't qualify to be having gender dysphoria as far as I can tell. Being treated as a male doesn't cause him distress or discomfort.

"Gender dysphoria (formerly known as gender identity disorder in the fourth version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM) is defined by strong, persistent feelings of identification with another gender and discomfort with one's own assigned gender and sex; in order to qualify for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, these feelings must cause significant distress or impairment."

Gender Dysphoria | Psychology Today

 

[Lilibet]

Since the mother is the one who initiated getting a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, and the child “seems” comfortable either way, I have to wonder if Mom has always wanted a girl. Has the state required either of the parents to be evaluated by mental health professionals to determine if there is an underlying issue that is being played out using the child?