Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, Jun 1997 #2

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Mel 1303 said:
There is a bike track that goes from town to the university. It runs roughly along Dumaresq creek. Towards une, there is a public housing estate, then some empty paddock space, before a university residential campus. There is a bypass of the town that goes through that area- it opened in 1994. There is clear land in that area of the bike track, with easy access to adjoining paddocks. Some have since been built up. There is a subdivision around Martin st where soil contamination was found, and the estate abandoned in 93. After remediation, it was sold off in 2003 and further development commenced. Near the une and the bike track.
Martin St subdivison sells for $2.17m
There are lots of areas around there that are not too busy. There is one big section, where there is now a technology centre, that would have been pretty clear open paddocks then.
I will go on the weekend and take some pics, and identify for you all what is newer than 2002. If Garry searched a paddock near the bike track and the uni that reduces things significantly.
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Great sleuthing Mel 1303, look forward to your updates and photos from the site. You'd think the "perpetrator" would have gone to an
off-road section near the bike track, hidden from view. Also been thinking if Gary spent two days looking for the location, makes you think maybe the phone call was a bit obscure in their description of the scene, or maybe the caller heard the information second-hand from someone and was a bit out with their location information, could well be. Who was the caller - was it the 'alleged' perpetrator, a friend of the 'perpetrator', or someone who heard something from someone? Interesting.
 
Last weekend i got hooked uo on this case and read through various sources to kind of catch up. I may have not seen all and some question are ooen for me.

The mysterious add: was there a follow up on the phone number or PO box owner? Was the PO in a highly frequented place or would have been possible to narrow the people frequenting there?

Deedpoll / name change : so anyone can change their name as often as wanted in whatever name? How can this be followed in case of criminal activity, i mean i could pose with another names, open accounts, buy stuff bot pay etc, i dont get it really

In a moment, as only one document was changed, i was thinking that her new name has maybe been an artist name add on to be used as primary name, which may leave the otger documents still valid. But as of Deedpoll i do not know if this option is at all possible.
 
You may change your name once in a 12 month period and 3 times in your lifetime (exceptions may apply). A person, either male or female, that marries in Australia, can change to their spouses married family name by providing a marriage certificate issued by the Registry.

https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Documents/apply-for-name-change-adult.pdf
 
Ok, the limitation to 3 times makes it a bit better for my understanding. My imagination was on a more frequent trip!
(btw the marriage change is something usual, so i did not question this)
 
TootsieFootsie said:
Wow thanks Alleycat!
And I wonder if the Police major step forward is something to do with this person or something else altogether ?
I'm so impatient for the end of the month now!
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I'm guessing the major step by police will be NSW police submitting the initial documentation the the NSW coroner so the coroner can decide whether an inquest will be held.

Sally said in the last episode that the coroner was waiting for a suspected death report to be lodged to start the process and then after that if the coroner decides there is sufficient grounds for an inquest they'll request the proof of evidence from nsw police.
 
An interesting piece of information in conversations 15. Sally says (9.35) she wants the coroner to look at whether Marion lodged a tax return in 97 because Gary advised her that police can only access ATO data for people who are incarcerated.

I've been thinking up until now that there has been no trace of Marion since her disappearance, but according to this that isnt necessarily the case.

If the state police do not have authority (under federal privacy) to access Marion's ATO data, then she could have been operating a TFN (as Marion or Florabella) and lodging tax returns ever since her disappearance.
 
Itsapuzzle said:
View attachment 214241 I'd like to buy a vowel please .... the letter 'i' thank you. H'mm, thinking hairdresser?
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I think its going to be another beat up.
The major police advance will be they have completed all the paper work for the Coroner.
Interesting that after all the talk about the phone call with mr Ramakel in the last conversation nothing was mentioned about it in the upcoming episodes.
 
Garyb said:
I think its going to be another beat up.
The major police advance will be they have completed all the paper work for the Coroner.
Interesting that after all the talk about the phone call with mr Ramakel in the last conversation nothing was mentioned about it in the upcoming episodes.
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I agree. After the way he has been treated it wouldnt be surprising if Mr Remakel had taken some form of legal action. I've been half expecting one of the rival TV networks to run a story about it.
 
Hi sleuthers,

New poster/member here, but I've been following the podcast and this forum for a while. Finally signed up!

So, I was Google mapping Armidale trying to make sense of the crime stoppers tip and I got thinking about the Facebook 'tip'/message. Obviously, the message is worth taking with an oceans worth of salt despite that I was wondering about the name Clark Hunter. I'm presuming its made up, I know the Facebook account was deleted soon after. It doesn't seem like the most common of names. I wondered if there is a potential clue in any part of the name.

Unlikely but, once I'm on there I'm a bit of a map geek. So,I thought Id search Clark Street and Hunter Street.

As I expected they aren't the most common street names but there were a few in noteworthy areas such as Grafton and Lismore. Also there is a Clark Street in Biggera Water about a mile away from Hunter Avenue Labrador in the Gold Coast, close to where Marion was based before the UK trip.

The most interesting location I found was in Ballina. A Clark Street and Hunter Street a mile drive. Curiously maybe? Roughly 2.5 miles away from Anderson Street, which was where M. F Remakels ad P.O Box was registered to (if I've researched that right from early posts). Another curious thing, Clark Street seems to be abit of an Imdustrial/Business Park and has a Self Storage company on there. Hunter Street, is some sort of o.a.p independent living street.

I tried to find information beyond that but I'm not sure when the self storage unit opened, as the company seem to have more than one location. Rightly so probably,there is little information online about the o.a.p houses.
 
Welcome aboard Sherlumbo!

Another thought re the name. Maybe Hunter is the first name. Have heard of a few with that first name over the years.
First time I heard of it being a first name here in Aus was in the 70s
 
A few random thoughts while waiting for the next episode...

I think the French connection (excuse the pun) is work related rather than social. French is fairly standard in private primary schools in Brisbane (and in Marion's time high schools too). In junior primary core/specialist subjects are fairly integrated. In the younger years children learn a few French words but learn about the country, culture and the importance of the language around the world. I think this is where Marion came across Luxembourg. The French speaking countries in Europe are France, Monaco, Belgium, Switzerland and Luxembourg. Marion may have chosen Luxembourg because its a French speaking country people are less likely to know/visit - reducing her chance of getting caught out when attempting to pass herself off as having lived there.

I also wonder if the shipping container is perhaps just a story Marion told to support the idea she would be in the UK at least a year. Its odd that both Chris and Lesley helped Marion pack but neither know the company she used. The big companies provide clearly branded packing boxes (best use of space and sturdy when stacked for insurance/damage). If Lesley & Chris didnt know the company then the boxes probably werent branded which doesnt sound like a big company (one which could ship overseas). This makes me think that Marion's possessions may have gone into storage locally or moved directly to a rental.
 
Sorry Sherlumbo, I was quoting your post but it all went pear shaped, my quote got in your quote ... ah well, there it is ... starting again.
[/Some good theories there, Sherlumbo, welcome ... h'mm, my interest has been piqued re your Facebook Clark Hunter tip ideas .... heading off to look into some things .....[/QUOTE]
PS: I've clicked all the wrong buttons, it's all turned to chaos - is this correct? Hope so.
PSS: Had a look at the Lady Vanishes page and new episode Monday :) ... someone has been found who they've been searching for, for a long time .. I guess that's plus the mystery person they didn't know existed before. Oh my, looking forward to Monday's instalment :)
 
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Intriguedbyintrigue said:
An interesting piece of information in conversations 15. Sally says (9.35) she wants the coroner to look at whether Marion lodged a tax return in 97 because Gary advised her that police can only access ATO data for people who are incarcerated.

I've been thinking up until now that there has been no trace of Marion since her disappearance, but according to this that isnt necessarily the case.

If the state police do not have authority (under federal privacy) to access Marion's ATO data, then she could have been operating a TFN (as Marion or Florabella) and lodging tax returns ever since her disappearance.
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If the information from the bank is correct, then Marion withdrew the balance of her account on the 15th Oct, and talked of starting a new life. She was then contacted by the same bank later, when the police made enquiries and said she did not want to be found, tell Sally I'm angry about the car, and to stop looking in Byron Bay. Those statements only work after Sally starts looking, so the bank had some contact details. There could well be stacks more that the police knew/know- but if Marion was identified as located without wanting to be found, it would be a crime to tell anyone any of those details.
I doubt Marion has ever done much in her original name financially. Despite the elaborate lengths she went to, she was identified very quickly, through the money. To me, this makes the untouched super much less suspicious.
One question I have- Sally found out about the withdrawals, reported her mum missing, and received a call within a week to say that she had been identified and didn't want contact. She didn't know about the car comment yet, that came via the salvos in January the next year. If Sally had reason to believe her mum was back in the country, why did she go ahead and sell the car? I am not by any means implying anything dodgy, it just doesn't add up in my head. We know she sold the car after she found out about the money coming out, as this was the reason she didn't deposit the money.
 
Mel 1303 said:
I doubt Marion has ever done much in her original name financially. Despite the elaborate lengths she went to, she was identified very quickly, through the money.
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Yes it would be much safer to operate under her new name. Now that we know her ATO records have not been reviewed the change of name makes more sense because it allows her to legally operate under her new name (open accounts get a tfn etc).

It's ironic that after going to so much effort Marion gave Sally her CBA details for the car money and that was what sprung her plan. It could be why Marion made such a point of saying she was cross about not getting the money.
 
Mel 1303 said:
One question I have- Sally found out about the withdrawals, reported her mum missing, and received a call within a week to say that she had been identified and didn't want contact. She didn't know about the car comment yet, that came via the salvos in January the next year. If Sally had reason to believe her mum was back in the country, why did she go ahead and sell the car? I am not by any means implying anything dodgy, it just doesn't add up in my head. We know she sold the car after she found out about the money coming out, as this was the reason she didn't deposit the money.
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Id like to know more about the car sale too. As youve said Mel1303 not because theres anything dodgy about the sale but because it says something about Marions interaction with her past life after her disappearance.

I remember Sally saying she'd held onto the car money because of the suspect transactions but do we know when the sale happened? (Sorry to be lazy it's just so hard to find information in the podcast episodes!)
It would be good to confirm if the car had been sold at the time when Sally reported her mum missing and contact was made with Marion. If Marion was in contact with someone from her old life youd expect she'd know about the sale when it happened, but if she found out through the dept of roads and transport (confirmation of the transfer of ownership/registration) then it may have been weeks before she knew the car had sold.
 
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