GUILTY TX - James, 48 & Michelle Butler 46, driving RV, fnd dec’d, Corpus Christi, 14 Oct 2019 #2 *Arrests*

I guess when you’re on the run + panicking, must be hard to remember TV shows. You just run as you are! They needed a disguise crossing the border. You’re supposed to use burner phones and buy them in disguise with cash way in advance like in far away states without stores security cameras. You’re supposed to toss your cell phone in the ocean. Too much law n order lol

Not to mention continuing to drive the stolen vehicle with its own plates on it - especially crossing the border where there are cameras!
 
From what I have read. the Butlers had been workamping as gate guards in West Texas before heading to North Padre Island. Most of the gate guards are workampers who need a steady income for a period of time. They must pass security checks in order to acquire such a job. But there is a great need in the oil fields for occasional help which makes me wonder if Williams was working a job there. Could Williams/Noverr have followed the Butlers to the Gulf Coast?

I am local here in Corpus and one of the news reports also showed a map of places that the Butlers had worked in recent months during their travels.... one of which was Utah. They were working there and then came down through Arizona I think on into west Texas. Probably just a coincidence that they were in Utah but a very strange one considering! Coincidence or not, I do hope that it is being looked into though.
 
How do we know they didn't toss their phones and get burner phones? The suspect (s) ACW is thought to have called a RV park owner to sell the stolen rig this would create pings that could be traced from the RV park owners phone connecting that call to ACW phone and getting the ping location from that phone. USMS could easily get that ping and have MPD grab them. ..........Just a theory. Either of the suspects previous phone(s)or the new possible phone(s) could still all be traced to the camp site at PINS.
Either way suspects have made so many dumb mistakes along the way it is just a matter of time before the dots are connected and T's crossed for new charges.
Good point. They could have had burners. I must stop assuming things.
 
I am local here in Corpus and one of the news reports also showed a map of places that the Butlers had worked in recent months during their travels.... one of which was Utah. They were working there and then came down through Arizona I think on into west Texas. Probably just a coincidence that they were in Utah but a very strange one considering! Coincidence or not, I do hope that it is being looked into though.
@NPI Beach Bum
Was this Butler travel map in a local newspaper? Can you post the source? Thanks.
 
Realizing that approximately 1,700 miles were traveled from the Logan, Utah, area to North Padre Island, we must wonder what the Williams/Noverr crew did for cash. First, did they steal the older Chevrolet truck and Prowler travel trailer before leaving Utah? Secondly, did they rob banks or convenience stores or individuals? Thirdly, how did her brother come to know that she was or had been in Texas?

From what I have read. the Butlers had been workamping as gate guards in West Texas before heading to North Padre Island. Most of the gate guards are workampers who need a steady income for a period of time. They must pass security checks in order to acquire such a job. But there is a great need in the oil fields for occasional help which makes me wonder if Williams was working a job there. Could Williams/Noverr have followed the Butlers to the Gulf Coast?

I wonder if the FBI or US Marshalls are back tracking the Williams/Noverr travels. I certainly hope so as there are a lot of unanswered questions.
There is no way he was working as a gate guard. When you apply for the license, they check everything and years and years back. My husband had a minor issue on his from when he was a teenager and it took a few weeks to get cleared up but they caught it.
 
@NPI Beach Bum
Was this Butler travel map in a local newspaper? Can you post the source? Thanks.

This isn't the one that I saw originally but this one appears to say the same thing... this report was before they knew the names of the suspects and that they were from Utah. It may be as truetexan suggested and Utah is shown just for reference but this sounds to me like they made stops in those places, and then actually took jobs in Mesa AZ and West Texas.

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I'm still trying to find the one that I saw on the local news but no luck yet. If I remember correctly though, that one made it sound like they actually stopped in Utah (like worked for a bit) but I could very well be mistaken about that. I definitely remember seeing the map though and it sounded like they were in the state at the very least - that clicked when they identified the suspects as being from Utah, I remembered seeing that map.
 
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There is no way he was working as a gate guard. When you apply for the license, they check everything and years and years back. My husband had a minor issue on his from when he was a teenager and it took a few weeks to get cleared up but they caught it.
@kentuckybound , from everything I have read about any gate guarding, it appears to be an arduous process almost akin to a national security clearance. They would have never been gate guards but I wondered if there was an opportunity for them in the oil fields where workers are always needed.
 
@kentuckybound , from everything I have read about any gate guarding, it appears to be an arduous process almost akin to a national security clearance. They would have never been gate guards but I wondered if there was an opportunity for them in the oil fields where workers are always needed.
This was a thought of mine also... not ruling it out
 
Not to mention continuing to drive the stolen vehicle with its own plates on it - especially crossing the border where there are cameras!

Also they were taking a gamble it hadn't been reported stolen yet. While the process of crossing into Mexico isn't difficult, there are lots of cameras, along with license plate readers to monitor who comes and goes. Had the truck and rig been reported stolen sooner, they may not have made it across the bridge at all.
 
Also they were taking a gamble it hadn't been reported stolen yet. While the process of crossing into Mexico isn't difficult, there are lots of cameras, along with license plate readers to monitor who comes and goes. Had the truck and rig been reported stolen sooner, they may not have made it across the bridge at all.
Catch22 here.... it's that photo of them crossing that helped identify them. Not sure about the outcome without that border photo to help
 
Has anyone added up how much time ACW's current charges only would possibly give him ? Just thinking in case in they don't come up with any new charges how long could he get?.... AN unsure of seems she just has the theft charge and would depend on her past criminal record but probably not long for her without new charges
 
Has anyone added up how much time ACW's current charges only would possibly give him ? Just thinking in case in they don't come up with any new charges how long could he get?.... AN unsure of seems she just has the theft charge and would depend on her past criminal record but probably not long for her without new charges

It sounds like the felony theft charge here in Texas would only be third degree so 2-10 but it sounds like he could get 5 to 99 on the Utah rape charges other than "forcible sexual abuse" which only carries 1-15. The aggravated assault sounds like it may only be a third degree felony (would require serious bodily injury or loss of consciousness to be 2nd degree, and serious bodily injury targeting LEO for 1st degree). Assault by prisoner is a third degree felony.

It does sound like sentencing for the rape charges in Utah will be mandatory though as his charges fall under Utah criminal code 76-3-406: "Crimes for which probation, suspension of sentence, lower category of offense, or hospitalization may not be granted."

Rape: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S402.html

Object rape: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S402.2.html

Forcible sodomy: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S403.html

Forcible sexual abuse: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S404.html

Aggravated assault: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S103.html?v=C76-5-S103_2017050920170509

Utah sentencing: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter3/76-3-S406.html?v=C76-3-S406_2017050920170509

Texas theft: PENAL CODE CHAPTER 31. THEFT

Texas sentencing: PENAL CODE CHAPTER 12. PUNISHMENTS
 
It sounds like the felony theft charge here in Texas would only be third degree so 2-10 but it sounds like he could get 5 to 99 on the Utah rape charges other than "forcible sexual abuse" which only carries 1-15. The aggravated assault sounds like it may only be a third degree felony (would require serious bodily injury or loss of consciousness to be 2nd degree, and serious bodily injury targeting LEO for 1st degree). Assault by prisoner is a third degree felony.

It does sound like sentencing for the rape charges in Utah will be mandatory though as his charges fall under Utah criminal code 76-3-406: "Crimes for which probation, suspension of sentence, lower category of offense, or hospitalization may not be granted."

Rape: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S402.html

Object rape: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S402.2.html

Forcible sodomy: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S403.html

Forcible sexual abuse: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S404.html

Aggravated assault: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S103.html?v=C76-5-S103_2017050920170509

Utah sentencing: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter3/76-3-S406.html?v=C76-3-S406_2017050920170509

Texas theft: PENAL CODE CHAPTER 31. THEFT

Texas sentencing: PENAL CODE CHAPTER 12. PUNISHMENTS


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Thank you for your in depth response that is what I had hoped for. Answers several questions I had about those current charges. So it seems by that information he could actually be sentenced to a lengthy term depending the evidence Utah has against him. Just was really curious if there would be enough to give him life behind bars. Still hopeful KC LE will have new charges soon.
Again.... Thank you!
 
Surprised there hasn’t been anything on this thread since 11/21? Or am I missing another?

From a comment up thread, the judge has a gag order in place for ACW to ensure no comments from LE. With the extent of ACW and AN movement from Utah to Texas to Mexico and back, there is literally a lot of ground to cover. I hope they are purposeful and methodical in their gathering of evidence so these two never see the light of day.

Does anyone know if a court date has been set for the theft charges? Is there a time limit for bringing them to court on that charge?
 

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