GUILTY NEW ZEALAND - Grace Millane, 22, British backpacker, Auckland, 1 Dec 2018 #3

[courtkim]

A few more shots of the bedroom in this video at minutes 2.21 and 2.27 - one showing the suitcase in the wardrobe that was found to have blood inside it.

Thanks for the link. I think based on the blood spatters and an assumption the bathroom is on the left, his story seems highly unlikely he didn't notice the body. He would've basically tripped over it. As soon as they saw the room they must have rolled their eyes.

 

[sunnynz]

essentially it's an interview with his landlord:

- the room he was staying in did not belong to the hotel. The building had a mix of hotel rooms/serviced apartments and privately owned apartments - the latter of which he was renting

- Landlord (LL) owns several apartments in the building and around town, so was experienced. Spoke to the murderer for an hour before leasing - murderer said he was a regional manager with a supermarket chain earning 150k a year, that he wanted the pokey little apartment so he could save his money for socialising and entertainment. Story seemed legit to landlord

- move in costs are paid by WINZ (benefits department here). Murderer tells LL that this was simply help while he waited for his first monthly pay. LL shrugs off

- murderer almost immediately behind on rent. LL also starts seeing him sifting around the hotel during hours that an actual regional manager would be, you know, working. Grows suspicious but there's always an excuse. LL also mentions that murderer would spend hours at the building's gym - seemed "into self-improvement" and obsessed with picking up women.

- LL was about to confront him over missing rent when this case started

Thanks! All that was in a free herald article yesterday, guess they're trying to capitalise on the public interest in the case by moving it behind the paywall.

 

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[kiwijayne]

Thanks! All that was in a free herald article yesterday, guess they're trying to capitalise on the public interest in the case by moving it behind the paywall.

if it’s NZ herald they call it a premium article that’s when you pay. So you’re right .

 

[sunnynz]

Can someone with NZ legal knowledge confirm something I heard today. Apparently the length of his sentence will be determined by the judge deciding whether it was murder with intent or murder with reckless intent? 12 years non parole vs 17-21 years depending on which one it is?

 

[Hjp]

Can someone with NZ legal knowledge confirm something I heard today. Apparently the length of his sentence will be determined by the judge deciding whether it was murder with intent or murder with reckless intent? 12 years non parole vs 17-21 years depending on which one it is?

12 years with parole for a high profile murder would be an outrage. The publicity of the case will probably result in a heavier ruling than would have been otherwise.

I think the Judge will go for a higher sentence with parole option or a possible early release on licence condition. It offers some hope of rehabilitation of the offender, plus it reserves the right for the parole board to keep the prisoner in prison until the full term has been served.

I think the sentence will end up around 15-20 years as it is not a multiple or mass murder case. *just my thoughts...

 

[mrjitty]

Can someone with NZ legal knowledge confirm something I heard today. Apparently the length of his sentence will be determined by the judge deciding whether it was murder with intent or murder with reckless intent? 12 years non parole vs 17-21 years depending on which one it is?

IIRC in NZ the jury do not provide a statement as to the type of murder they found.

Sentencing will be based on a detailed set of considerations. I expect it to be at the higher end due to the concealment aspects etc, as opposed to heat of the moment type murder.

 

[jaejae]

Hopefully this girl and her family can rest now if it is possible and I doubt it but here are some more reports about the case.

From the Mirror:

Grace Millane's killer's flatmate was 'so terrified of him she slept with knife'

From the Sun:

Grace Millane - Killer’s step brother begs forgiveness from her family adding sibling ‘doesn’t have a shred of good in him’

From the Evening Standard:

Man guilty of murdering British backpacker Grace Millane

From the Guardian:

'She should have been safe here': how Grace Millane's murder shocked New Zealand

 

[Tortoise]

Since the murderer and his lawyer both say the photos were taken while Grace was alive, I'm not sure the judge should speculate as to what jurors thought concerning his intent. Although the jury's question as regards consent would seem to indicate they thought there was a possibility Grace initially may have consented. I don't happen to agree with that, given the evidence from her ex-boyfriend about not trusting random internet strangers to restrict her breath, and also the fact that Grace died on the floor. I think it's more likely he pinned her to the floor, without consent and without the use of her arms, and her neck held all the pressure and fight she could muster resulting in blood building up in her head, her nose bleeding and her eye heamorraging.

I also don't think minutes of manual strangulation is reckless. It's purposeful and intensive and he would be getting no responses from her limp body over a long time.

 

[All & Forward]

Does anyone have a link to Grace's Twitter? I can't find it anymore.

Also, a little callous, but what about her Fetlife account? Also heard she was on thestudentroom.

 

[belinda15]

Grace's death is a tragedy. The perpetrator , IMO, is a , and also, IMO, the guilty verdict was right. It is sad that Grace's parents had to discover matters regarding their daughter's private life that she (again IMO) would never have wanted them to know. However, defence lawyers have to do their jobs. Even scumbags are entitled to a fair trial, and I felt that both the defence and the prosecution lawyers did their jobs well.

Grace wanted to enjoy herself while on her travels, and, I imagine, she wanted to celebrate her birthday, particularly as her family and friends were a long way away. Tragically for her and for her family and friends, she picked the wrong man to celebrate it with. I doubt she is the first, and I doubt she'll be the last.

Without intending to "victim blame", I do hope that at least some young people learn from this tragedy, and realise that, firstly online dating can be risky (although it usually isn't), drinking too much with somebody you hardly know, and then going back to their room can be potentially dangerous, even though (as I keep reading), thousands of people do it. You can never be sure whom you are meeting.

 

[sunnynz]

Does anyone have a link to Grace's Twitter? I can't find it anymore.

Also, a little callous, but what about her Fetlife account? Also heard she was on thestudentroom.

Her Twitter is still there twitter.com/millanegrace

 

[sunnynz]

Accounts from several women
Who had dates with the killer that ended up scary and violent. Their evidence wasn’t included in the trial. This guy was a ticking time bomb!!

Evidence that showed Grace Millane's killer had a tendency to switch in romantic situations kept from the jury.
Grace Millane trial: What the jury didn't hear

 

[DanceCard]

Accounts from several women
Who had dates with the killer that ended up scary and violent. Their evidence wasn’t included in the trial. This guy was a ticking time bomb!!

Evidence that showed Grace Millane's killer had a tendency to switch in romantic situations kept from the jury.
Grace Millane trial: What the jury didn't hear

Woah.
Two words for him. Misogynist. Sociopath.
He's clearly a great danger to women, I hope he gets the maximum sentence.

 

[jamjim]

Accounts from several women
Who had dates with the killer that ended up scary and violent. Their evidence wasn’t included in the trial. This guy was a ticking time bomb!!

Evidence that showed Grace Millane's killer had a tendency to switch in romantic situations kept from the jury.
Grace Millane trial: What the jury didn't hear

Oh my gosh. What an absolute piece of work This guy would have become a serial killer, I'm 100% sure of it.

Also, the photo of all the flowers where Grace was found has put a lump in my throat.

 

[All & Forward]

Murdered Brit backpacker Grace Millane 'gave man list of her kinky sex fetishes'

An article with some information I hadn't seen before, specifically about her sexual interests (restraint, 'total control,' breath play, massage).

But can anyone tell me what the top video is of? Is it of Grace? It shows a girl walking around in what looks like the middle of the night, with what looks like her phone in her hand. But it looks like a suburban setting? Definitely not somewhere within a 20-minute walk of the Auckland CBD.

At the end, it says something to the effect of 'due to respect to the person in the video, we have not shown the rest.'

What's the video of?

From when?

And does anywhere else have the full video?

 

[Kikixxxx]

Grace Millane killer's flatmate was so scared of him she slept with a knife in bed | Daily Mail Online

A former flatmate of Grace Millane's killer was so scared to be alone with him that she slept with a knife in her bed for protection, it has been claimed.

 

[Kikixxxx]

that selfie pic of him is SO facetuned and airbrushed... looks nothing like his other photos, what a catfish

 

[DanceCard]

Murdered Brit backpacker Grace Millane 'gave man list of her kinky sex fetishes'

An article with some information I hadn't seen before, specifically about her sexual interests (restraint, 'total control,' breath play, massage).

But can anyone tell me what the top video is of? Is it of Grace? It shows a girl walking around in what looks like the middle of the night, with what looks like her phone in her hand. But it looks like a suburban setting? Definitely not somewhere within a 20-minute walk of the Auckland CBD.

At the end, it says something to the effect of 'due to respect to the person in the video, we have not shown the rest.'

What's the video of?

From when?

And does anywhere else have the full video?

There's nothing new in that article.
It was published four days ago and all of that detail was discussed during the trial by the defence. Also it was in the thread here at WS.

Not sure why there is still focus on Grace's interests and behaviour as if she's the one on trial. Or perhaps its just prurient interest.

 

[DanceCard]

Grace Millane killer's flatmate was so scared of him she slept with a knife in bed | Daily Mail Online

A former flatmate of Grace Millane's killer was so scared to be alone with him that she slept with a knife in her bed for protection, it has been claimed.

The more we learn about this guy clearly demonstrates how dangerous he is.

DM still naming him I see. I do hope that any future trial isn't jeopardised.