There may be a very simple solution to find out if the phone found in the Suburban belonged to JD or one of the kids. If there were 2 different phones involved, there will be search warrants for 2 different phone numbers. I don't have time right now to search 347 pages of a searchable document. JD Suburban also had Sirius which the SW states would have GPS info. MOO.
Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #47
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I have 2 thoughts:
What was Fotis' MO in a possible attempted similar crime? He tried to talk KM STBX into a Greek getaway.
Maybe he tried to talk Jennifer to her murder scene. Maybe he thought he could claim EE dropped him off from the worksite and try to charm her into something- talking about putting some property into kids' names instead of fighting over it- talking about "getting it" now about how all the motions were hurting the kids more than benefitting Fotis. Whatever he would imagine she would want to hear and believe.
Maybe he believed in his ability to get a "lift" off Jennifer to a place to talk about it- "gosh I'd meet you there but EE had to rush to meet the electrician, blah blah blah..."
He had recently worked his way to the picnic and handed her some chocolate (ungifted from one of his own kids). That could have been practice approaching her.
Maybe the plan was kidnap in NC and kill elsewhere like 80 MS.
But, like KM STBX, Jennifer didn't buy it. Instead of leaving in a huff, he had to force her to give him that lift.
I'm not sure what the ambush plan would be- how do you subtly whip out a zip tie and disable the driver while pretending to be the newly reasonable passenger?
Could he and or an accomplice have snuck into the back seat of the (wrong?) car?
Or, back to the criss-cross approach, what if KM startled her with a visit, saying he borrowed EE car, it's not working, and Fotis and EE are not picking up phone?
Changing subject:
I noticed on my last read of AW 3 that the garage and the house are called crime scenes. And, storage of things like paper towels is fairly intuitive in a kitchen, but one would think there had to be some random opening of cabinets and looking for supplies. It seems like the cleanup had to good enough that LA didn't put it all together even when this were weird. One of the things that apparently did not tip her off was an unusual cleaning product smell.
Unless the original reports of cleaning person started because it smelled to LA that one had been there.
And unless the murderer(s) pushed that message out because it would be known to the murderer that the place would smell like cleaning products.
(I usually just theorized the CW story was just a confabulation of early facts including that LA said she cleaned a mug, before all the info was sorted out and written down. Not a mistake or red herring. But who knows?)
What was Fotis' MO in a possible attempted similar crime? He tried to talk KM STBX into a Greek getaway.
Maybe he tried to talk Jennifer to her murder scene. Maybe he thought he could claim EE dropped him off from the worksite and try to charm her into something- talking about putting some property into kids' names instead of fighting over it- talking about "getting it" now about how all the motions were hurting the kids more than benefitting Fotis. Whatever he would imagine she would want to hear and believe.
Maybe he believed in his ability to get a "lift" off Jennifer to a place to talk about it- "gosh I'd meet you there but EE had to rush to meet the electrician, blah blah blah..."
He had recently worked his way to the picnic and handed her some chocolate (ungifted from one of his own kids). That could have been practice approaching her.
Maybe the plan was kidnap in NC and kill elsewhere like 80 MS.
But, like KM STBX, Jennifer didn't buy it. Instead of leaving in a huff, he had to force her to give him that lift.
I'm not sure what the ambush plan would be- how do you subtly whip out a zip tie and disable the driver while pretending to be the newly reasonable passenger?
Could he and or an accomplice have snuck into the back seat of the (wrong?) car?
Or, back to the criss-cross approach, what if KM startled her with a visit, saying he borrowed EE car, it's not working, and Fotis and EE are not picking up phone?
Changing subject:
I noticed on my last read of AW 3 that the garage and the house are called crime scenes. And, storage of things like paper towels is fairly intuitive in a kitchen, but one would think there had to be some random opening of cabinets and looking for supplies. It seems like the cleanup had to good enough that LA didn't put it all together even when this were weird. One of the things that apparently did not tip her off was an unusual cleaning product smell.
Unless the original reports of cleaning person started because it smelled to LA that one had been there.
And unless the murderer(s) pushed that message out because it would be known to the murderer that the place would smell like cleaning products.
(I usually just theorized the CW story was just a confabulation of early facts including that LA said she cleaned a mug, before all the info was sorted out and written down. Not a mistake or red herring. But who knows?)
Well remember, the vacuum cleaner is broken and the broom probably was in the Albany trash bags.
Maybe it's from all those blowouts, remember she can't leave her home to have her hair done, wasn't that one of her complaints?
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Here's the language from the search warrant:
6. That while Officers were at Wells Lane, Almeida provided Dulos' cellular number, 929-499-7661.
Officer Coughlin called Verizon to ascertain when the telephone was last used and/or if Verizon could
"ping" it to get a location. Verizon confirmed that the cellular telephone was last active on May 24, 2019,
at 11:09AM and Verizon confirmed that the cellular telephone was last active on May 24, 2019, at 11:09
AM and that the last cell tower used by the "c ellphone was located at 4 Tower Drive in Darien -
approximately one mile south of Waveny Park.
7. That upon learning that Jennifer Dulos may have been driving her black Chevrolet Suburban
(Connecticut passenger registration AJ69099), officers began searching the area for the vehicle. Captain
Walsh located Jennifer Dulos' black Chevrolet Suburban (Connecticut passenger registration AJ69099)
along an isolated stretch of the southern portion of Lapham Road in very close proximity to Waveny
Park. This location was consistent with the Verizon "ping." A police canine was summoned to search the
surrounding area with negative results.
15. That investigators used cellular data from Jennifer Dulos' cellphone and residential surveillance to
construct a timeline for the crime which included the victim's vehicle leaving the driveway of the residence
and points along a route which led to Lapham Road, where the vehicle was ultimately recovered. Data
showed the victim's phone remained within the area of Lapham Road and the south portion of Waveny
Park for approximately forty minutes prior to its last known location. Approximately three minutes after
Jennifer Dulos' phone disconnected from the network, the suspect's vehicle was shown on surveillance
camera traveling northbound along the Merritt Parkway (Rt. 15) just north of Exit 37. This timeframe
illustrates a forty minute gap in which the suspect's location is undetermined.
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Thank you sleuth66! That means the phone in the car is not hers... thank you for your help I think in earlier threads people kept saying the phone in the car was hers
Walsh located Jennifer Dulos' black Chevrolet Suburban (Connecticut passenger registration AJ69099)
along an isolated stretch of the southern portion of Lapham Road in very close proximity to Waveny
Park. This location was consistent with the Verizon "ping." A police canine was summoned to search the
surrounding area with negative results.
I'm not seeing how that confirms the phone in the Suburban is not hers. I would think the canine was there to search for JD at that time. JD would have been priority, electronics a bit later on. MOO.
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You and @afitzy know what i'm thinking about this. The last ping was in Darien
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Thank you @nikyoo that’s exactly what I’m trying to say.The aws place MT and km in farmington creating alibis for themselves and fd.I have no reason to believe other wise until le says so.
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I wonder did fd leave jd cell phone at waveny park in a inconspicuous place.then take Jd suburban with her body to a pre dug grave.35 minutes later returns with Jennifer’s suburban gets the phone turns the phone off and places it in the suburban.fd gets in the Tacoma and heads to the merit. This could of been done to throw le off the trail of where he went for that 40 min. Moo. However I’m not sure if the suburban has gps tracking.
Sirius. According to SW, has GPS history.
So her cell was with her, in whatever state Jennifer was in?
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Well, the warrant never mentions locating the phone the pings came from, yet they did locate A phone. On top of that, there were specially trained electronics-sniffing dogs at Waveny supposedly looking for a cell phone about a week and a half after the "disappearance."
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I'm curious. I haven't personally been able to come up with a theory for that phone in the 40 minutes that makes sense to me.
I feel like FD had help with the body. Forgive me, but rigor mortis will be setting in.
There's an inconsistency in the AW and the recent HC article that DA claims is based on review of the supervisor notes on FD monitored visit on 5/22.
In the AW3, it describes details from LA testimony, that on 5/22 JD came down the stairs saying that FD had arrived 30 minutes early and he had driven all the way up the driveway to the garage.
In the HC article, based on the monitor notes, it states that FD had arrived a whole hour early, at 3:30, and that JD told him to leave and come back. When he came back at 4:30 he parked at the BOTTOM OF THE DRIVEWAY and that was where the chocolate bunny sacrifice conversation took place.
The article also states that this 5/22 was the first visit that FD was allowed up the driveway, in the past he had always had to pick up the kids at the end of the driveway (and they even argued whether he could get out of the car and hug them there). The HC article says that at the end of the visit on 5/22 at 7:41pm FD walked back down to the end of the driveway where his Suburban was parked and left.
So wasn't it very odd that FD arrived early (30 minutes according to LA, 1 hour according to supervisor/HC article) and drove all the way up to the garage?? Of course on the return after Grace Farms they must have all come up the driveway but he still parked at the bottom of the driveway so they must have walked up the driveway.
So what was up with this early arrival on 5/22 when he drove all the way up to the garage? Did he think they weren't home at that time? And if it was OK to drive up the driveway at 3:30 (or 4pm according to LA) then why did he park at the bottom when he came back at 4:30? It seems like this would really stand out.
Despite the "chocolate bunny sacrifice" exchange (that DA makes sound like a sweet family interchange), LA reported that after that she and JD locked all the doors to make sure he could not come in, so it wasn't like JD was welcoming and happy to have him there.
Maybe someone wants to ask DA about that? Although I suggest keeping in mind that any questions sent in to DA will likely be run through the NP mill, this is NPs way of getting around the gag order (since the Supreme Court is asking him to justify why it shouldn't be dismissed) and getting his spin out there. As if DA is any expert on this case. Remember back when he kept writing that JDs Suburban was white not black?
MOO.
In the AW3, it describes details from LA testimony, that on 5/22 JD came down the stairs saying that FD had arrived 30 minutes early and he had driven all the way up the driveway to the garage.
In the HC article, based on the monitor notes, it states that FD had arrived a whole hour early, at 3:30, and that JD told him to leave and come back. When he came back at 4:30 he parked at the BOTTOM OF THE DRIVEWAY and that was where the chocolate bunny sacrifice conversation took place.
The article also states that this 5/22 was the first visit that FD was allowed up the driveway, in the past he had always had to pick up the kids at the end of the driveway (and they even argued whether he could get out of the car and hug them there). The HC article says that at the end of the visit on 5/22 at 7:41pm FD walked back down to the end of the driveway where his Suburban was parked and left.
So wasn't it very odd that FD arrived early (30 minutes according to LA, 1 hour according to supervisor/HC article) and drove all the way up to the garage?? Of course on the return after Grace Farms they must have all come up the driveway but he still parked at the bottom of the driveway so they must have walked up the driveway.
So what was up with this early arrival on 5/22 when he drove all the way up to the garage? Did he think they weren't home at that time? And if it was OK to drive up the driveway at 3:30 (or 4pm according to LA) then why did he park at the bottom when he came back at 4:30? It seems like this would really stand out.
Despite the "chocolate bunny sacrifice" exchange (that DA makes sound like a sweet family interchange), LA reported that after that she and JD locked all the doors to make sure he could not come in, so it wasn't like JD was welcoming and happy to have him there.
Maybe someone wants to ask DA about that? Although I suggest keeping in mind that any questions sent in to DA will likely be run through the NP mill, this is NPs way of getting around the gag order (since the Supreme Court is asking him to justify why it shouldn't be dismissed) and getting his spin out there. As if DA is any expert on this case. Remember back when he kept writing that JDs Suburban was white not black?
MOO.
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But no location history was returned per the SW. Handwritten:
"E-mail stating no geo-locations on vehicle
2017 Chevrolet Suburban
VIN: 1GNSKJKCXHR239005"
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Rigor mortis doesn't start for a few hours (3-4). If he disposed of the body in that 40 minutes, it would've only been ~2-3 hours since time of death likely. Likely no RM yet, let alone peak RM.
What's in Darien? 4 parks, couple of beaches, hunt club? Please share what your thinking?
So you think FD disposed of Jennifer body asap?
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