Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #26

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This makes me very angry. This case spans multiple states. If AZ LE didn’t call Rexburg LE, they wouldn’t have tied CV and Tammy with the missing kids together. Justin Lum has worked tirelessly to get information out, build relationships with Colby and Brandon. I feel like Kim Powell paid her way in Hawaii, though most likely not, but she it seems like she may work on spec. It’s been Nate, Justin and Eric as the core team. Dateline and Nancy Grace, et al, just riding on their hard work. Which is great because they got the national attention to help find the kids. For Rexburg LE to give preferential treatment to anyone is wrong. Let’s all remember that sad photo of Kay alone waiting for Lori. That Chad got his own parking spot at the jail- well I will refrain from profanity.

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I think it was his lawyer’s car, and his lawyer who drove him. Said lawyer’s office is reportedly right next to the courthouse. IMO it’s the lawyer with the special treatment, and Chad is paying for that benefit.
 
Wish we could make T shirts with this photo in them that say: “ Lori, where are they now?” , send them to folks in Rexburg to wear.

This, along with the signs asking where are the children, paraded in front of her all day long while expecting a response would insinuate Lori actually has a heart and/or conscience, when clearly she does not.

Lori cares about Lori. She is more concerned when her hair is not perfectly coiffed or she has no makeup on, than she cares about what she did with or where her kids are. It simply will not faze her.

MOO...
 
I wonder if Yellowstone is 100% federal land. If it is, anyone can go look for Tylee. As I have said before, she is probably less than 100 feet off the road and I don't think there are that many roads in the park. Most murderers make mistakes and killing Tylee on federal land might be one of them, IMO.
 
Thank you! You continue to be amazing.

Do you know where her parents live?

Rexburg is only 1.5 hrs to Yellowstone (west entrance) I'm curious of other people or places connected to the people in this case, along that route.

AxC likely was also cut off, he didnt make it to BYU either, did he?

I've seen a couple possible locations of her parents but nothing in the MSM and we can't sleuth them here.

If there is a connection along the route to Yellowstone I think it is more likely to be on Chad's side. He has lived in Idaho since 2015: 14- Following the path to . . .Idaho? | cdaybell.com

And, yes, I would assume that if there was a family rift of some sort Alex was also part of it and defended Lori/took her side. Their relationship as a brother and sister seems closer than most opposite sex siblings. Since Alex was older than Lori, he could have helped her move away from California after divorcing her first husband-- but that's only my speculation. We just don't know much about their relationship with their parents.
 
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Case Number:
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Charles Vallow Autopsy =HOMICIDE

Tammy Douglas Daybell
Autopsy Complete after being exhumed.. we do NOT know findings.....Yet

Case Number:
2019-10511
Alex Cox Autopsy = PENDING

I am leaning towards thinking LE already having all of this information and building this case to be air tight. Do they wait to see what is to be found up in Yellowstone? As far as digital footprint, each picture uploaded to the icloud has coordinates imbedded like all our pictures we take around the world. FBI I am sure is sitting on a radius of where they think they will look. MOO
@securitynerd Can you speak to the amount of information LE has just from what we have heard ...?
 
Can someome tell me why the grandparents are trying to get custody or guardianship of the kids, and I know I can be.very wrong, those kids are gone, why are they wasting their money on lawyers for this. I just dont get
Well, one good reason for doing so was that it put pressure on Lori and forced her to appear in court and produce the kids. When she failed to do so, she was in contempt of court and that helped lead to an arrest.

As the children's legal guardians, they have the control. They probably won't give up until the children are found and they have some closure.

Imo
 
Regarding speculation Lori may have traded Tylee and/or Jj off to the FLDS. Here's why I personally don't think it's possible.

We have some (what I call) Old Order Amish around here. And some that are a bit more progressive (they dress in light blue and stuff). We have hitching posts at our Dollar Generals, as a total aside.

Anyway, there is no way the Old Order Amish are mixing it up with the English.

I just cannot see a FLDS getting involved with a LDS who runs around in exercise pants.

Jmo
 
When I started reading this case I had serious questions about Chad and his visions and his moving between world's. I think he got away with it because it was wrapped in religion. As the case stands now I'd expect him to step back and say wait a minute this woman is not who I thought she was. Get some distance. But nope, he continues on. Leads me to think Lori has some serious stuff on him so he can't get out if he wanted to. So either we got 2 serious criminals here or there is still a faint chance the kids are fine and this whole thing is some run up to some kind of lawsuit against all the govt bodies. IMO
 
I wonder if Yellowstone is 100% federal land. If it is, anyone can go look for Tylee. As I have said before, she is probably less than 100 feet off the road and I don't think there are that many roads in the park. Most murderers make mistakes and killing Tylee on federal land might be one of them, IMO.

Yes, a national park is definitely 100% federal land. :) At least in the case of Yellowstone there are no enclaves (areas inside the larger park boundaries) that are technically not part of the park like you sometimes might see with other political boundaries or blocks of government land.
 
I am thankful that Charles V had the foresight to change his life insurance policy and name KW as beneficiary, before his untimely death. I believe this money and what KW is doing has been pivotal in keeping this entire case alive. With this money she is able to afford a very good legal team and can afford to do everything necessary ie...custody hearings, guardianship etc.., to bring LVD to justice. KW is a very smart woman, imo, and everything SHE is doing IS in the best interest of these two missing kids. KW's money is all for the children, whereas LVD's (quickly disappearing) money is/was/always has been all for self...

IMO, This has to infuriate LVD, as seen in the much publicized screenshots of LVD walking past KW in court on Friday. That smug look was proof that KW is LVD's nemesis! KW's comment about being willing to give LVD all the money and material garbage that LVD loves so much in exchange for the kids, proves her love.

Reminds me of the story in the Bible when King Solomon ruled between two women both claiming to be the mother of a child. Solomon revealed their true feelings and relationship to the child by suggesting to cut the baby in two, with each woman to receive half. With this strategy, he was able to discern the non-mother as the woman who entirely approved of this proposal, while the actual mother begged that the sword might be sheathed and the child committed to the care of her rival.

Yes, this comparison is a little extreme, but what about this ENTIRE unorthodox nightmare, isn't?

KW will see this through and she has the wherewithal to make sure of it!
 
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TITLE 16
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CHAPTER 16
CHILD PROTECTIVE ACT
16-1602. DEFINITIONS. For purposes of this chapter:
(1) "Abused" means any case in which a child has been the victim of:
(a) Conduct or omission resulting in skin bruising, bleeding, malnutrition, burns, fracture of any bone, head injury, soft tissue swelling, failure to thrive or death, and such condition or death is not justifiably explained, or where the history given concerning such condition or death is at variance with the degree or type of such condition or death, or the circumstances indicate that such condition or death may not be the product of an accidental occurrence; or
(b) Sexual conduct, including rape, molestation, incest, prostitution, obscene or pornographic photographing, filming or depiction for commercial purposes, human trafficking as defined in section 18-8602, Idaho Code, or other similar forms of sexual exploitation harming or threatening the child’s health or welfare or mental injury to the child.
(2) "Abandoned" means the failure of the parent to maintain a normal parental relationship with his child including, but not limited to, reasonable support or regular personal contact. Failure to maintain this relationship without just cause for a period of one (1) year shall constitute prima facie evidence of abandonment.
(3) "Adaptive equipment" means any piece of equipment or any item that is used to increase, maintain or improve the parenting capabilities of a parent with a disability.
(4) "Adjudicatory hearing" means a hearing to determine:
(a) Whether the child comes under the jurisdiction of the court pursuant to the provisions of this chapter;
(b) Whether continuation of the child in the home would be contrary to the child’s welfare and whether the best interest of the child requires protective supervision or vesting legal custody of the child in an authorized agency.
(5) "Age of developmentally appropriate" means:
(a) Activities that are generally accepted as suitable for children of the same chronological age or level of maturity or that are determined to be developmentally appropriate for a child, based on the development of cognitive, emotional, physical and behavioral capacities that are typical for an age or age group; and
(b) In the case of a specific child, activities or items that are suitable for the child based on the developmental stages attained by the child with respect to the cognitive, emotional, physical and behavioral capacities of the child.
(6) "Aggravated circumstances" includes, but is not limited to:
(a) Circumstances in which the parent has engaged in any of the following:
(i) Abandonment, chronic abuse or chronic neglect of the child. Chronic neglect or chronic abuse of a child shall consist of abuse or neglect that is so extreme or repetitious as to indicate that return of the child to the home would result in unacceptable risk to the health and welfare of the child.
(ii) Sexual abuse against a child of the parent. Sexual abuse, for the purposes of this section, includes any conduct described in section 18-1506, 18-1506A, 18-1507, 18-1508, 18-1508A, 18-6101, 18-6608 or 18-8602, Idaho Code.
(iii) Torture of a child; any conduct listed in section 18-8303(1), Idaho Code; battery or an injury to a child that results in serious or great bodily injury to a child; voluntary manslaughter of a child, or aiding or abetting such voluntary manslaughter, soliciting such voluntary manslaughter or attempting or conspiring to commit such voluntary manslaughter;
(b) The parent has committed murder, aided or abetted a murder, solicited a murder or attempted or conspired to commit murder; or
(c) The parental rights of the parent to another child have been terminated involuntarily.
(7) "Authorized agency" means the department, a local agency, a person, an organization, corporation, benevolent society or association licensed or approved by the department or the court to receive children for control, care, maintenance or placement.
(8) "Caregiver" means a foster parent with whom a child in foster care has been placed or a designated official for a child care institution in which a child in foster care has been placed.
(9) "Case plan hearing" means a hearing to approve, modify or reject the case plan as provided in section 16-1621, Idaho Code.
(10) "Child" means an individual who is under the age of eighteen (18) years.
(11) "Child advocacy center" or "CAC" means an organization that adheres to national best practice standards established by the national membership and accrediting body for children’s advocacy centers and that promotes a comprehensive and coordinated multidisciplinary team response to allegations of child abuse by maintaining a child-friendly facility at which appropriate services are provided. These services may include forensic interviews, forensic medical examinations, mental health services and other related victim services.
(12) "Circumstances of the child" includes, but is not limited to, the joint legal custody or joint physical custody of the child.
(13) "Commit" means to transfer legal and physical custody.
(14) "Concurrent planning" means a planning model that prepares for and implements different outcomes at the same time.
(15) "Court" means district court or magistrate’s division thereof, or if the context requires, a magistrate or judge thereof.
(16) "Custodian" means a person, other than a parent or legal guardian, to whom legal or joint legal custody of the child has been given by court order.
(17) "Department" means the department of health and welfare and its authorized representatives.
(18) "Disability" means, with respect to an individual, any mental or physical impairment that substantially limits one (1) or more major life activity of the individual including, but not limited to, self-care, manual tasks, walking, seeing, hearing, speaking, learning or working, or a record of such an impairment, or being regarded as having such an impairment. Disability shall not include transvestism, transsexualism, pedophilia, exhibitionism, voyeurism, other sexual behavior disorders, or substance use disorders, compulsive gambling, kleptomania or pyromania. Sexual preference or orientation is not considered an impairment or disability. Whether an impairment substantially limits a major life activity shall be determined without consideration of the effect of corrective or mitigating measures used to reduce the effects of the impairment.
(19) "Family or household member" shall have the same meaning as in section 39-6303(6), Idaho Code.
(20) "Foster care" means twenty-four (24) hour substitute parental care for children placed away from their parents or guardians by persons who may or may not be related to the children and for whom the state agency has placement and care responsibility.
(21) "Foster parent" means a person or persons licensed to provide foster care.
(22) "Grant administrator" means the supreme court or any organization or agency as may be designated by the supreme court in accordance with such procedures as may be adopted by the supreme court. The grant administrator shall administer funds from the guardian ad litem account in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
(23) "Guardian ad litem" means a person appointed by the court pursuant to a guardian ad litem volunteer program to act as special advocate for a child under this chapter.
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(25) "Guardian ad litem program" means the program to recruit, train and coordinate volunteer persons to serve as guardians ad litem for abused, neglected or abandoned children.
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(27) "Idaho network of children’s advocacy centers" means an organization that provides education and technical assistance to child advocacy centers and to interagency multidisciplinary teams developed pursuant to section 16-1617, Idaho Code.
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(d) To authorize ordinary medical, dental, psychiatric, psychological, or other remedial care and treatment for the child, including care and treatment in a facility with a program of services for children, and to authorize surgery if the surgery is deemed by two (2) physicians licensed to practice in this state to be necessary for the child.
(e) Where the parents share legal custody, the custodian may be vested with the custody previously held by either or both parents.
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(b) Whose parents, guardian or other custodian are unable to discharge their responsibilities to and for the child and, as a result of such inability, the child lacks the parental care necessary for his health, safety or well-being; or
(c) Who has been placed for care or adoption in violation of law; or
(d) Who is without proper education because of the failure to comply with section 33-202, Idaho Code.
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(34) "Protective order" means an order issued by the court in a child protection case, prior to the adjudicatory hearing, to enable the child to remain in the home pursuant to section 16-1615(8), Idaho Code, or following an adjudicatory hearing to preserve the unity of the family and to ensure the best interests of the child, pursuant to section 16-1619(10), Idaho Code. Such an order shall be in the same form and have the same effect as a domestic violence protection order issued pursuant to chapter 63, title 39, Idaho Code. A protective order shall be for a period not to exceed three (3) months unless otherwise stated in the order.
(35) "Protective supervision" is a legal status created by court order in a child protective case whereby the child is in the legal custody of his or her parent(s), guardian(s) or other legal custodian(s), subject to supervision by the department.
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Could you give us a quick summary or precis in a couple of sentences? :)
 
Regarding speculation Lori may have traded Tylee and/or Jj off to the FLDS. Here's why I personally don't think it's possible.

We have some (what I call) Old Order Amish around here. And some that are a bit more progressive (they dress in light blue and stuff). We have hitching posts at our Dollar Generals, as a total aside.

Anyway, there is no way the Old Order Amish are mixing it up with the English.

I just cannot see a FLDS getting involved with a LDS who runs around in exercise pants.

Jmo
Money, just like in Colorado City, AZ and it's twin across the border in Utah, money. FLDS members have access to County/State monies. If you want someone hidden, it's a great place.
 
Regarding speculation Lori may have traded Tylee and/or Jj off to the FLDS. Here's why I personally don't think it's possible.

We have some (what I call) Old Order Amish around here. And some that are a bit more progressive (they dress in light blue and stuff). We have hitching posts at our Dollar Generals, as a total aside.

Anyway, there is no way the Old Order Amish are mixing it up with the English.

I just cannot see a FLDS getting involved with a LDS who runs around in exercise pants.

Jmo

100% Agree- and for the uninitiated "English" is what Amish call non-Amish.

One of the hospitals I send my nursing students to has a hitching post at the ER entrance.
 
When I started reading this case I had serious questions about Chad and his visions and his moving between world's. I think he got away with it because it was wrapped in religion. As the case stands now I'd expect him to step back and say wait a minute this woman is not who I thought she was. Get some distance. But nope, he continues on. Leads me to think Lori has some serious stuff on him so he can't get out if he wanted to. So either we got 2 serious criminals here or there is still a faint chance the kids are fine and this whole thing is some run up to some kind of lawsuit against all the govt bodies. IMO

IMO she has serious stuff on him but it's related to his midlife issues
 
I've only ever read it was a divorce. That's from people who knew Lori at that time period in her life and have spoken to the press such as this high school friend: Exclusive: Lori Vallow Daybell Went from 'Devout' Cheerleader to 'a Mystery,' High School Friend Says
Annulment seems to be either a rumor or someone's speculation simply because we have not seen the marriage/divorce record. Not all marriage/divorce records are publicly available to us in searchable databases. Every state has different laws on when they will release them and who can apply for and get a copy of a marriage record. We don't know where Lori married her first husband nor where they divorced. And as we have seen with her Hawaii marriage to Chad-- HI is one state (out of many others) that doesn't make their records available to the public. But LE could get it legally and they did verify that Lori and Chad married and put it as fact in an affidavit.

I can't imagine what grounds there would be for an annulment versus a divorce. Since she went to HS in CA and moved away from there after her divorce according to her HS friend, here are the CA guidelines on annulment: Annulment - divorce_or_separation_selfhelp
I don't see any legal reasons for annulment that could have applied to her first marriage. MOO.
I believe there is also the possibility that she was never married (but said so), given that she was certainly still Cox, when she married husband #2. And husband #2 was never put on the birth certificate for Colby. IIRC, Colby was born "Colby Cox" according to the birth records.
 
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