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The coronavirus 19 is pretty much over? Everything back to normal?
I bet they thought that in the Summer of 1918. Transmission is reduced during Summer months in the Northern Hemisphere - warmer temperatures, everyone is outside.

Closed spaces allow the virus easy transmission - thus the Sept/Oct 202o wave. Some policy experts are asking the question of 3rd and 4th waves without a vaccine.

How will this change life expectancy?

I doubt the virus itself is completely over, but I think the "measures" are definitely over. The vast majority of Americans are done with it.

Plus, I don't care at all what they thought or did over 100 years ago in 1918. Absolutely nothing is the same since then. Plus, I don't think the prediction of a "second wave" has one single thing to do with a virus. jmo
 
At the pharmacy, I used to have to sign for my medications, sign off on the debit card receipt. CVS used to give me a small clipboard with pen attached to do the signatures.

Now, you go to pharmacy, hand them your card, they bill it, give you back your card, and meds. No signatures for anything.
 
I have a sister in NC. She calls me every few days ranting about what she calls "morons" and "idiots" that refuse to mask up or stay away from her. And she has no trouble literally telling people to stay the f*ck away from her in the best of times, much less nowadays. She's a trip.

I don't go that far, but I do stare people down until they become uncomfortable enough to back off. Works like a charm. They're the ones ignoring social distancing guidelines, not me. No way am I going to back down first.:rolleyes:

Why can't I ever meet anyone like this? I haven't met one single confrontational person during this entire ordeal.

eta: irl I mean
 
Right now, in Las Vegas, it is a complete spend fest. People are not losing money in casinos, and they are all getting $600 extra a week, plus their weekly benefit amount.

Folks are eating out, buying new phones, laptops, tvs. Most of these folks live paycheck to paycheck. And this money, for many of them, is more than they make a month.

This is sort of like a lull, before the storm. Many of these folks may never get hired back. Things are going to hit hard in the fall. Even with UI extensions, that extra $600 a week ends July 30th.
This seems true, especially for younger people with low paying jobs. That was me eons ago. I recall getting what back then was a lot of $, and I couldn’t wait to spend it. and I did.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/...dR6zFd0SEQserK6OL5RbEODamCyCazYIZ7JmTRfWueM54
 
I doubt the virus itself is completely over, but I think the "measures" are definitely over. The vast majority of Americans are done with it.

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See, this is what scares the heck out of me here in the UK right now. Some restrictions were lifted and people might think great, that's that then on we go...

We are still a lot tighter than where you are i.e. no hair or beauty salons are open, nor restaurants for eat-in. But you can see it in people, they are taking more risks already.

Meanwhile, my mum cancels her third little trip to the seaside she had planned. All booked in January to make the most of what she feared may be my dad's final years. All cancelled. Nothing special, coach trips to hotels where they can walk along the seafront and have a drink. A visit to her brother with their sister. Instead barricaded in their home.

Which will go on longer as people laugh and gather en masse, no masks, thinking of themselves.

I literally told her yesterday just hold tight mum. These idiots will all get it now, let it go round their circles and in another month more will be immune. It will be safer for you and dad then. As she asked do you think we might be able to go somewhere later in the summer?

Just hoping it doesn't gain momentum again. I've had this virus and its not a joke. I felt the battle was on and two months later am not fully recovered. Toy with it at your peril.

If I sound angry, I am. In my mind, selfish people are impacting the final years of my parents lives :mad:. That might be a statistic to some but let me say it again. My PARENTS lives.
 
Snipped by me.

See, this is what scares the heck out of me here in the UK right now. Some restrictions were lifted and people might think great, that's that then on we go...

We are still a lot tighter than where you are i.e. no hair or beauty salons are open, nor restaurants for eat-in. But you can see it in people, they are taking more risks already.

Meanwhile, my mum cancels her third little trip to the seaside she had planned. All booked in January to make the most of what she feared may be my dad's final years. All cancelled. Nothing special, coach trips to hotels where they can walk along the seafront and have a drink. A visit to her brother with their sister. Instead barricaded in their home.

Which will go on longer as people laugh and gather en masse, no masks, thinking of themselves.

I literally told her yesterday just hold tight mum. These idiots will all get it now, let it go round their circles and in another month more will be immune. It will be safer for you and dad then. As she asked do you think we might be able to go somewhere later in the summer?

Just hoping it doesn't gain momentum again. I've had this virus and its not a joke. I felt the battle was on and two months later am not fully recovered. Toy with it at your peril.

If I sound angry, I am. In my mind, selfish people are impacting the final years of my parents lives :mad:. That might be a statistic to some but let me say it again. My PARENTS lives.
Yep, if we stay at home for a while, while most other people forget all the precautions, it will spread much more and provide us that herd immunity. The problem is, our infections levels are nowhere near herd immunity levels as of yet, so it could take a long time.
 
Coronavirus: Close-contact and competitive sports training given go-ahead

Athletes and elite sportspeople have been given permission to resume close-contact and competitive training for the first time since March.

Phase two guidance has been issued by the government for individual sports, provided they "have the appropriate carefully controlled medical conditions in place" as the country continues to grapple with the coronavirus outbreak.

Public health officials and sports medical officers have contributed to the guidelines, which permit organised and close-contact training to take place under carefully controlled medical conditions.

Premier League footballers have already returned in socially distanced small groups, but clubs now face a key vote on Wednesday over contact training.

The official advice, aimed at helping competitors reach fitness levels required for matches, says close-contact training for elite athletes can include coaching and tackling in team sports within a two-metre distance.

The guidelines clarify: "Stage two training can be described as the resumption of close contact (interaction within the two-metre social distancing boundary) training where pairs, small groups and/or teams will be able to interact in much closer contact (e.g. close quarters coaching, combat sports sparring, teams sports tackling, technical equipment sharing, etc)."

Stage three of the government's protocols are expected to centre on a return to professional sports in June.

The government stressed that the decision to implement the latest guidelines will be the responsibility of the respective sports bodies and clubs, in consultation with athletes, coaches and support staff.

In socially distanced environments, sailing and taekwondo have also made steps towards resuming competitive action, while other Olympic and Paralympic disciplines are yet to make decisions over a return.

Sports minister Nigel Huddleston said: "This new guidance marks the latest phase of a carefully phased return to training process for elite athletes, designed to limit the risk of injury and protect the health and safety of all involved.

"We are absolutely clear that individual sports must review whether they have the appropriate carefully controlled medical conditions in place before they can proceed, and secure the confidence of athletes, coaches and support staff."

He added: "We believe these pragmatic measures should provide further reassurance that a safe, competitive training environment can be delivered, as we work towards a restart of professional sport behind closed doors when it is safe to do so."
 
Not really.

Public remarks prompted Florida virus data curator's firing

In the CNN interview, Jones was asked whether she was removed because of an attitude problem.

“Somewhat, yes, if refusing to mislead the public during a health crisis is insubordination then I will wear that badge with honor,” Jones answered.

Florida releases its data daily in three ways that Jones helped manage: Reports in text and graphics, a dashboard map and a raw data hub, including breakdowns at county and ZIP code levels. Federal coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Brix has praised Florida’s presentation as especially granular and user-friendly.

Jones was told to resign or be fired last Monday and her last work day was Thursday, after a pattern of overstepping her duties as data manager. The final straw came May 15, when she vented in emails to researchers and other data recipients that she’d been reassigned, suggesting they should now doubt the data’s integrity.

Documents obtained by The Associated Press show a supervisor warned Jones on April 9 after she posted a message on a newspaper Facebook page about the dashboard. She was told she needs approval before publicly discussing the work. Less than two weeks later, she was warned again when a mapping company’s online magazine published an extensive interview with Jones. Her supervisor later found a public blog in which Jones discussed the dashboard, released unauthorized charts and added “political commentary” in posts that appear to have been taken down.

The supervisor, Craig Curry, detailed each incident in an email to the department’s human resources office on May 6 and was told he could begin the process of firing her. But in that same email, Curry also praised Jones, saying she did “fantastic work.”

With an expertise in geography and tropical storms, Jones, 30, also has cited her dismay over Health Department officials taking down a category field in line data for individual COVID-19 cases — but says all data was restored later unaltered.

Deputy Secretary for Health Dr. Shamarial Roberson said that Jones’s pushback was over the “EventDate” category, which is when a patient reports first remembering having possible symptoms and is separate from when the illness is confirmed.

“Event date is not the important field,” Roberson said. “A case is deemed when you have that laboratory result as positive.”

Roberson said Florida’s data is updated as it becomes available daily. “Every day our data is accurate, it’s factual, it’s true, it’s transparent,” she said.

Jones has not responded to requests from The Associated Press for comment.

I am sure there is some cooking of books in lots of places... Florida's history has plenty of cases of such.
There were statements very early on where people thought the FL governor was not recording faithfully. Then the unemployment system went afowl , and he blamed Rick Scott for all the problems.

Looks like NOW... more is transparent...i just hope their is continued scrutiny...
BREAKING: Previously suppressed COVID-19 Medical Examiner data made public
 
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Not really.

Public remarks prompted Florida virus data curator's firing

In the CNN interview, Jones was asked whether she was removed because of an attitude problem.

“Somewhat, yes, if refusing to mislead the public during a health crisis is insubordination then I will wear that badge with honor,” Jones answered.

Florida releases its data daily in three ways that Jones helped manage: Reports in text and graphics, a dashboard map and a raw data hub, including breakdowns at county and ZIP code levels. Federal coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Brix has praised Florida’s presentation as especially granular and user-friendly.

Jones was told to resign or be fired last Monday and her last work day was Thursday, after a pattern of overstepping her duties as data manager. The final straw came May 15, when she vented in emails to researchers and other data recipients that she’d been reassigned, suggesting they should now doubt the data’s integrity.

Documents obtained by The Associated Press show a supervisor warned Jones on April 9 after she posted a message on a newspaper Facebook page about the dashboard. She was told she needs approval before publicly discussing the work. Less than two weeks later, she was warned again when a mapping company’s online magazine published an extensive interview with Jones. Her supervisor later found a public blog in which Jones discussed the dashboard, released unauthorized charts and added “political commentary” in posts that appear to have been taken down.

The supervisor, Craig Curry, detailed each incident in an email to the department’s human resources office on May 6 and was told he could begin the process of firing her. But in that same email, Curry also praised Jones, saying she did “fantastic work.”

With an expertise in geography and tropical storms, Jones, 30, also has cited her dismay over Health Department officials taking down a category field in line data for individual COVID-19 cases — but says all data was restored later unaltered.

Deputy Secretary for Health Dr. Shamarial Roberson said that Jones’s pushback was over the “EventDate” category, which is when a patient reports first remembering having possible symptoms and is separate from when the illness is confirmed.

“Event date is not the important field,” Roberson said. “A case is deemed when you have that laboratory result as positive.”

Roberson said Florida’s data is updated as it becomes available daily. “Every day our data is accurate, it’s factual, it’s true, it’s transparent,” she said.

Jones has not responded to requests from The Associated Press for comment.

I am sure there is some cooking of books in lots of places... Florida's history has plenty of cases of such.
There were statements very early on where people thought the FL governor was not recording faithfully. Then the unemployment system went afowl , and he blamed Rick Scott for all the problems.

Looks like NOW... more is transparent...i just hope their is continued scrutiny...
BREAKING: Previously suppressed COVID-19 Medical Examiner data made public
 
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While there seems to be a tendency to highlight negatives, here's a positive:

CRAWFORD | As in-person services resume, Kentucky's largest church sets no timeline to 'regather'

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) – On a Sunday morning when churches around Kentucky began to open their doors as COVID-19 restrictions begin to ease, the state’s largest church remained closed to in-person services, and senior pastor Kyle Idleman, speaking on behalf of church leadership, isn’t yet saying when those might resume.
 
Yep, if we stay at home for a while, while most other people forget all the precautions, it will spread much more and provide us that herd immunity. The problem is, our infections levels are nowhere near herd immunity levels as of yet, so it could take a long time.

Yet this is an issue as folks may not realize important facts re herd immunity. Yes, as more % get it, we get a downcurve.

But herd immunity cannot be met if the NAb's only last 1-2 years. (aka SARS, MERS, common flus etc)

And if that happens, it's endemic again and again without an annual vaccine? MOO Here is a repost.

Herd Immunity: Understanding COVID-19 - ScienceDirect

In a cohort of 175 recovered COVID-19 patients, SARS-CoV-2-specific serum neutralizing antibodies (NAbs) were detected at considerable, albeit variable, titers in most (n = 165) individuals (Wu et al., 2020b), indicating that the production of NAb against SARS-CoV-2 is relatively common.

Whereas these findings are promising, other important questions to consider are whether NAb titers will wane over time and how long acquired immunity will last. Previous studies in confirmed SARS patients have demonstrated that NAb responses against SARS-CoV persisted for several months to 2 years, although all individuals displayed low titers after about 15 months (Mo et al., 2006). Further, elevated concentrations of specific antibodies to coronavirus 229E, one of the viruses responsible for the common cold, were found 1 year after infection, although these titers were not sufficient to prevent reinfection in all individuals (Callow et al., 1990). Together, these studies suggest that protection against reinfection with coronavirus species tends to diminish given sufficient time, although longitudinal serological studies are needed to assess the duration of SARS-CoV-2 immunity.

If this proves to also be true for SARS-CoV-2, persistent herd immunity may never be attained in the absence of recurrent vaccination.

Indeed, modeling of the transmission dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 predicts that short-term immunity (∼10 months) would give rise to annual outbreaks, while longer-term immunity (∼2 years) would lead to biennial outbreaks (Kissler et al., 2020). Mass serological testing is now needed to determine how many individuals have been infected, how many individuals are immune, and how far we are from reaching the herd immunity threshold. That said, even if reinfection can occur after sterilizing immunity wanes, enduring memory cells of the adaptive immune system would likely facilitate immune control of the virus and limit disease pathology, which would hopefully decrease the clinical severity of subsequent infections.

In its simplest form, herd immunity will begin to take effect when a population reaches the herd immunity threshold, namely when the proportion of individuals who are immune to the pathogen crosses 1 – 1/R0.

Much more at link
 
Coronavirus: Close-contact and competitive sports training given go-ahead

Athletes and elite sportspeople have been given permission to resume close-contact and competitive training for the first time since March.

Phase two guidance has been issued by the government for individual sports, provided they "have the appropriate carefully controlled medical conditions in place" as the country continues to grapple with the coronavirus outbreak.

Public health officials and sports medical officers have contributed to the guidelines, which permit organised and close-contact training to take place under carefully controlled medical conditions.

Premier League footballers have already returned in socially distanced small groups, but clubs now face a key vote on Wednesday over contact training.

The official advice, aimed at helping competitors reach fitness levels required for matches, says close-contact training for elite athletes can include coaching and tackling in team sports within a two-metre distance.

The guidelines clarify: "Stage two training can be described as the resumption of close contact (interaction within the two-metre social distancing boundary) training where pairs, small groups and/or teams will be able to interact in much closer contact (e.g. close quarters coaching, combat sports sparring, teams sports tackling, technical equipment sharing, etc)."

Stage three of the government's protocols are expected to centre on a return to professional sports in June.

The government stressed that the decision to implement the latest guidelines will be the responsibility of the respective sports bodies and clubs, in consultation with athletes, coaches and support staff.

In socially distanced environments, sailing and taekwondo have also made steps towards resuming competitive action, while other Olympic and Paralympic disciplines are yet to make decisions over a return.

Sports minister Nigel Huddleston said: "This new guidance marks the latest phase of a carefully phased return to training process for elite athletes, designed to limit the risk of injury and protect the health and safety of all involved.

"We are absolutely clear that individual sports must review whether they have the appropriate carefully controlled medical conditions in place before they can proceed, and secure the confidence of athletes, coaches and support staff."

He added: "We believe these pragmatic measures should provide further reassurance that a safe, competitive training environment can be delivered, as we work towards a restart of professional sport behind closed doors when it is safe to do so."

And to think there was so much criticism by many of what China was doing in the beginning. And look how quickly they shut it down (yes, a resurgence now, being addressed, but you get my drift)

There was discussion that the US could never do such. But we half a$$ed tried. But half a$$ed doesn't get to what they did....... because..........wait........ it is exponential.

Now, after 2 months or more of stay at home, folks are rebelling. They don't see as an issue... not in my backyard. To many counties.. they are doing daily stats and kudos to them for doing it.

Remember King county? The first outbreak in US. I follow daily and they send me a text. Still endemic there.

SMDH......... from pandemic to endemic..
 
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What kind of degenerates urinate and defecate in public? That is simply unacceptable, not to mention unsanitary.

WTH is wrong with people?

We had the same problem in Virginia. Governor encouraged everyone "to walk in our parks, enjoy nature" promoting mental health. After just ONE weekend, he had to close due to complaints from park workers of defecation and the clean up of "hazardous waste".
 
Right now, in Las Vegas, it is a complete spend fest. People are not losing money in casinos, and they are all getting $600 extra a week, plus their weekly benefit amount.

Folks are eating out, buying new phones, laptops, tvs. Most of these folks live paycheck to paycheck. And this money, for many of them, is more than they make a month.

This is sort of like a lull, before the storm. Many of these folks may never get hired back. Things are going to hit hard in the fall. Even with UI extensions, that extra $600 a week ends July 30th.

Teach...teach your children well....
This will just make the disaster worse. Why is this American lifestyle so prevalent? I am literally sitting here shaking my head back and forth.
Snipped by me.

See, this is what scares the heck out of me here in the UK right now. Some restrictions were lifted and people might think great, that's that then on we go...

We are still a lot tighter than where you are i.e. no hair or beauty salons are open, nor restaurants for eat-in. But you can see it in people, they are taking more risks already.

Meanwhile, my mum cancels her third little trip to the seaside she had planned. All booked in January to make the most of what she feared may be my dad's final years. All cancelled. Nothing special, coach trips to hotels where they can walk along the seafront and have a drink. A visit to her brother with their sister. Instead barricaded in their home.

Which will go on longer as people laugh and gather en masse, no masks, thinking of themselves.

I literally told her yesterday just hold tight mum. These idiots will all get it now, let it go round their circles and in another month more will be immune. It will be safer for you and dad then. As she asked do you think we might be able to go somewhere later in the summer?

Just hoping it doesn't gain momentum again. I've had this virus and its not a joke. I felt the battle was on and two months later am not fully recovered. Toy with it at your peril.

If I sound angry, I am. In my mind, selfish people are impacting the final years of my parents lives :mad:. That might be a statistic to some but let me say it again. My PARENTS lives.

I really feel for you... At first I really thought people here in the States were practicing respect and space. The docs (Fauche and Brix have NOT changed their messages.....space, masks, protecting OTHERS, respect for your neighbors) I really thought we were learning something. But indignation has taken over. I am going to root for your folks... keep us informed as life and time goes on.
 
Teach...teach your children well....
This will just make the disaster worse. Why is this American lifestyle so prevalent? I am literally sitting here shaking my head back and forth.


I really feel for you... At first I really thought people here in the States were practicing respect and space. The docs (Fauche and Brix have NOT changed their messages.....space, masks, protecting OTHERS, respect for your neighbors) I really thought we were learning something. But indignation has taken over. I am going to root for your folks... keep us informed as life and time goes on.
Thankyou, really appreciate that xX
 
We had the same problem in Virginia. Governor encouraged everyone "to walk in our parks, enjoy nature" promoting mental health. After just ONE weekend, he had to close due to complaints from park workers of defecation and the clean up of "hazardous waste".
It's disgusting, obviously. But what is the reason for it? Are the restrooms open?
 
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