Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3

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kaen said:
One has to wonder if the reason CA knew VG was because AR was harassing VG to be in a relationship with him and CA. It doesn't make sense to me the story about ruining careers or stopping CA's benefits based on adultery. CA has lots of provocative stuff out there on the internet. He may have been trying to harass, coerce, or bully VG into an open relationship with the two of them. It is a scenario that is most plausible to me. MOO.
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I wonder if CA wasn’t part of the prostitution scheme given her sugar daddy needed and toe pic offerings online? Maybe VG was a wanted addition and she found out and that’s what she told RA she was going to out him about? IMO the toe pics and other SM posts seem a little far off the beaten path for the basic girl scenario. She scares me and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn she scared others IMO
 
m00c0w said:
It’s still a thing, but only in the most technical sense. Temporary promotions can only take place during specifically designated time periods, and the Deputy Chief of Staff of the Army is the person that decides this. It is highly unlikely it will ever be invoked again unless there is a dire shortage of people (and even then I’m not so sure), given the changes in the promotion system that have occurred over the last decade. As I stated earlier, corporals are exactly what that rank was supposed to convey, so there is absolutely no reason for temporary promotions anymore. If a specialist needs to fill an E5 slot, they will receive a lateral promotion to corporal, which designates them as an NCO and technically superior to a specialist (even though they are the same pay grade). If he were promoted into some sort of NCO role, it would be apparent because he would be identified as either a SGT or a CPL. There’s really nothing to back up this theory.

In short, it is highly, and I cannot emphasize “highly” enough, unlikely that he was in any sort of supervisory role over VG. Even if he was magically an NCO that no one knew about, he was still in an entirely different company and in an entirely different NCO support chain/chain of command. It just doesn’t make any sense for that to be a thing.
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Lillymac said:
I understand the warrant, but..what made it different after the remains were found at the river? Did they find evidence there that made them more suspicious of him? As far as what's been released, there wasn't anything new found incriminating him. Was there...maybe I missed it.
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I think you have the sequence of events backwards. They had witnesses stating they saw AR moving a tough box out of the arms room. The next day, they got a consent search of his phone. That’s when his story started to unravel and they were able to get location data. They searched that area based on his phone’s location data; it’s not they got location data because they searched the area.
 
CronesEye said:
"Investigators analyzed Robinson’s phone and found that at 1:59 a.m. on April 23, Robinson’s cellphone was in the vicinity of FM 436 and West Main Street in Belton around a bridge. His phone tracked along the Leon River going north and was in the area for roughly two hours, the complaint says.

Investigators analyzed Aguilar’s phone as well. It revealed that she and Robinson were near the Leon River together on April 23 and April 26.

Based on the phone data, Army investigators searched Leon River on June 21. A “burn site with disturbed earth was identified.” The burned remains of what appeared to be a plastic tote or tough box were found near the area where Robinson’s phone was, but no remains were found."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/06/vanessa-guillen-case-cecily-aguilar-tied-killing-shows-court/5386086002/
"Mayra Guillen said the last text conversation she had with her sister was the night before she disappeared. The pair talked about Vanessa’s plans to buy a new car, she said.

However, Mayra Guillen suspected something was wrong the next day when her sister’s boyfriend said she was not answering texts or phone calls.

“As soon as I saw the clock strike 9 p.m. I knew she wouldn’t be working from 9 a.m. until 9 p.m.,” she said. “That’s when I started getting in touch with her sergeant.”

Mayra Guillen said she and Vanessa’s boyfriend have been in Killeen since her sister was listed as missing."
Army offers $15,000 reward to help find missing Fort Hood soldier

So the sergeant was notified that Vanessa was missing around 9 pm. And somewhere it was posted that 2 people saw AR loading a pelican box into his car with difficulty thought to be around 8:30pm. And CA and AR were around the river around 2 am.

I don't understand why a full fledged search and investigation didn't begin for her immediately. The earliest I can see a search start is April 25th.

Why wasn't AR questioned and watched immediately? Why wasn't an immediate alert put out so the 2 people who saw AR having trouble loading the pelican could put 2 +2 together?

If this was a civilian case it would have gone much differently.
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A CID investigation was opened the very next day (4/23). The unit was looking for her since she went missing (4/22), and searches were expanded on 4/23. Press releases started being disseminated on 4/24, asking for help from anyone that knows anything.

Help us find Vanessa Guillen
 
m00c0w said:
A CID investigation was opened the very next day (4/23). The unit was looking for her since she went missing (4/22), and searches were expanded on 4/23. Press releases started being disseminated on 4/24, asking for help from anyone that knows anything.

Help us find Vanessa Guillen
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Thank you. I have never seen that webpage before, it delineates a lot.
I wish we had an attorney on the webpage now as I don't know what the abbreviations for CAs or rather CBs probate case represent.
It sites abuse and neglect around the time she was 14. My uneducated guess per abbreviations is that she was taken out of her home and permanently placed somewhere else.

NEGLECT/ABUSE

REQUEST AND ORDER TERMINATING

PERMANENCY ACHIEVED

Jackson County Court Case Roa


Case Information | Jackson County, MI
 
Spartygirl said:
:eek::eek::eek:
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This is horrific! Especially because if we (the US) go to war do you want a fellow team member who respects women and women who respect men who have their backs or some sneaky sideways glancing wanna be who would do whatever to please himself. Absolutely disgusting and as a female I would never want to join a military branch nor would I want any of my loved ones not limited to females to join either. Armed forces are supposed to protect us not abuse and demean us.IMO
 
mom2chloe said:
This is horrific! Especially because if we (the US) go to war do you want a fellow team member who respects women and women who respect men who have their backs or some sneaky sideways glancing wanna be who would do whatever to please himself. Absolutely disgusting and as a female I would never want to join a military branch nor would I want any of my loved ones not limited to females to join either. Armed forces are supposed to protect us not abuse and demean us.IMO
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It's going to take time. Can't give up. Different squadrons, units, groups have different characters.

It's a leadership thing, with good leadership necessary progress is made for a healthy, functioning military that isn't stagnant and self destructive.

We have to improve leadership in this country.

Really. This was Vanessa's dream and for that reason I say never give up. It should be a valid, safe, achievable dream for any little girl who wants to be in the army. For Vanessa - And all the other little Vanessas out there I will never give up.

When I was 5 I got pissed off that men got all the good jobs (Im old) I saw AT 5! Just how impossible it was for a woman and I said when I grow up I am going to be president. Well......I am no politician. I am an advocate as you can see.

So never give up. Fight every day to make the military more safe for women, every day. Because Vanessa wanted it, it was her dream.

So we shall work on it for her.
She's watching us.:rolleyes:
 
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Timeline: What to know about missing Fort Hood soldier Vanessa Guillen

This story indicates CID was right on top of things. Most people should be aware that information pertinent to the investigation is not released to the public to protect the investigation. This is routine. When someone starts blurting out things that weren't made public, the authorities want to know how the people knew.
The story also identifies Spc. Robinson as VG's 'superior'. He was neither her superior nor an officer. Not even an NCO. That title is given to a Corporal, not a Spc.4, same rank, different connotation.
I got the impression he wasn't even in her chain of command, and if he was the one watching her in the shower, WTH was he doing in her barracks? He didn't live there. (Correct?) That would be the day some guy (whether him or another male or a superior) would watch me in the shower or be in my bathroom (males and females still have separate showers, correct?) and I knew and I wouldn't report it. That wasn't allowed to happen when I was in and I have heard frequently things have not become more lax but rather discipline more likely.

In one of the threads, maybe this one, people discussed privileged information, and said how in a the military, information was even more guarded.
Just because someone wasn't privy to the information, it doesn't mean it wasn't investigated or that they investigators had no knowledge of it. Close family members are the first people investigated during missing people/murders and other crimes. It's sad to say, that in many cases I know about, the person primarily blamed for a missing person is often not the culprit. Because in too many cases, the cops went after the family members and looked no further. Too many innocent victims.
Marriages suffered, relationships soured, and often the person blamed could not have been the abductor or killer because they were a witness to the crime.

There are lots of allegations, rumors, unsubstantiated comments and I find all of that offensive. I'm offended on behalf of the CID investigators. Some people here seem to believe the personnel in CID are less than professional. Unless the standards have dropped significantly since my friend got out, those people are usually great, even though I did have a bad experience with one. The only one where I was the complainant.

This young lady deserves her reputation to be unsullied. People along the thread accused her of having an affair, being involved with a superior, being involved with a married man, etc. It's made national attention because she disappeared, and not by her own choice. She did not and does not deserve ridicule, rumors, insults, snide or offensive remarks, etc. She is the victim. Let her rest in peace.
 
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California Sunset said:
Timeline: What to know about missing Fort Hood soldier Vanessa Guillen

This story indicates CID was right on top of things. Most people should be aware that information pertinent to the investigation is not released to the public to protect the investigation. This is routine. When someone starts blurting out things that weren't made public, the authorities want to know how the people knew.
The story also identifies Spc. Robinson as VG's 'superior'. He was neither her superior nor an officer. Not even an NCO. That title is given to a Corporal, not a Spc.4, same rank, different connotation. It sounds like he wasn't even in her chain of command, and if he was the one watching her in the shower, WTH was he doing in her barracks? He didn't live there. (Correct?) That would be the day some guy (whether him or another male or a superior) would watch me in the shower or be in my bathroom (males and females still have separate showers, correct?) and I wouldn't report it. Were the sisters aware of the name of the person watching her in the shower prior to VG's disappearance?

There are lots of allegations, rumors, unsubstantiated comments and I find all of that offensive. I'm offended on behalf of the CID investigators. Some people here seem to believe the personnel in CID are less than professional. Unless the standards have dropped significantly since my friend got out, those people are usually great, even though I did have a bad experience with one. The only one where I was the complainant.

Just because Webseluths wasn't privy to the information, nor VG's family, nor the attorney or state representative, that doesn't mean it wasn't investigated or that they investigators had no knowledge of it. Close family members are the first people investigated during missing people/murders and other crimes. It's sad to say, that in many cases I know about, the person primarily blamed for a missing child is often not the culprit.

This young lady deserves her reputation to be unsullied. People along the thread accused her of having an affair, being involved with a superior, being involved with a married man, etc. It's made national attention because she disappeared, and not by her own choice. She did not and does not deserve ridicule, rumors, insults, snide or offensive remarks, etc. She is the victim. Let her rests in peace.
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I must have missed the posts where people spoke badly of Vanessa, I think I read most but not all, I admit. Most people are genuinely concerned and think highly of her I have found.

I do see many people all over the internet who are not happy with conditions of safety at Fort Hood, specifically for women. I do think changes need to be made. My own experience with in the military at large tells me that. My own experience tells me that authorities drag their heels and leave people at risk and see what they want to see. I am sorry to disagree with you on this particular matter, but I have to go with what I know.

In all, we are all here to make things better for everyone, one day.

When I was in, we had a common duty changing area and coed dorms , so yeah, things happen. We all have different experiences.
 
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m00c0w said:
I think you have the sequence of events backwards. They had witnesses stating they saw AR moving a tough box out of the arms room. The next day, they got a consent search of his phone. That’s when his story started to unravel and they were able to get location data. They searched that area based on his phone’s location data; it’s not they got location data because they searched the area.
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I made a simple statement that has been totally misconstrued. Maybe I didn't state it simple enough. But regardless, I'm done going over this. Thanks and goodnight...
 
California Sunset said:
If someone was watching her in the shower, where was it? Doesn't a single shower usually have a lock on the door? Wouldn't she shower in the barracks? I'd be afraid to shower in a work or open area, where some pervert I was aware of lurked.
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It's not unusual to shower at the unit after a lunch time workout, PT, or a quick run. As far as the barracks latrines, they usually do have locks but often aren't used if you're sharing it with only one other person. There are locks on the actual room door to prevent intruders, but unfortunately, sometimes a Soldier's roommate will prop open the door for quick access when they're doing laundry or left their room key in the car, etc.
 
tcloud said:
Attorney Natalie Kwaham said that SPC Guillen's blood was splashed all over the armory room. She doesn't state her source, from what I could find. There are numerous articles with this statement. If you Google "“This heinous act caused her blood to be splashed all over the armory room,” Khawam", you should be able to find them.
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Thank you.
 
agaliunas3 said:
First time posting...long time lurker so I hope I do this right. I found an article that mentions her husband confirming that it was not AR.

"Previous Marriage
Aguilar was married to KA, a former soldier once stationed at Fort Hood."

Cecily Aguilar: What we know about evil girlfriend accused of hacking, dismembering beloved Fort Hood soldier, Vanessa Guillen
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Ah, sorry agaliunas3, my bad. I should have read all the recent posts first and I might have figured out what you meant. But then, I read it wrong.
 
Boxer said:
Do you have a link for that article? It is a piece of news I would like to see.
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Here’s what the lawyer said and it sounds to me like she was not told anything about blood , but what she imagined the scene to look like. JMO
If CID told her about the bludgeoning with a hammer, I can see why she would think that. But I don’t see it confirmed amywhere.

“He told his girlfriend that she was going to report him for having an affair," said Natalie Khawam, the Guillen family's attorney. She was speaking on what she said the Army Criminal Investigation Division told her and the family in a meeting this week. “You can’t tell me that someone is bludgeoned to death in the armory room and then all of a sudden nobody heard her screaming – nobody saw the blood all over the room?"

Disturbing details reveal what happened to Vanessa Guillen the night she disappeared from Fort Hood
 
Boxer said:
Do you have a link for that article? It is a piece of news I would like to see.
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I was looking through the posts to find where it was mentioned. I thought they said she was killed in her armory. Then, a few people were nice enough to correct my misunderstanding and told me he killed her in his armory. Someone posted in the thread that investigators found blood in his armory. It's in the thread after VG was found, I think. It was the first I saw that they had found her body, and he was already dead. So, it's in here and recent. I haven't found it yet. When I do, I'll get back to you.
 
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