Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #10

[NCanning]

I believe msm reported the previous lawyers had their windows smashed and graffiti daubed across their building. I don’t know if that would be enough reason to withdraw or CB needed someone else.

No, it was the new lawyers who had their windows smashed

 

[MENDEL]

Didn't German LE say they had reason to believe that other person's may have knowledge of happened that night and may know what happened to the body?

That sounds like more than just someone advising where best to steal stuff, maybe providing keys because they just saw CB as a petty thief.

I mean someone executing abduction with him and not just informing.

He had some contact in OC. According to "Processo" files, a few employees had criminal records. Tiago was later fired for theft (according to press).

There was a possible German cooker (who was out of OC from 2-10 May, 2007).

 

[tedtink]

I used to get this kind of banding when printing colour photos on my very sh***y Epson printer. Going back to the early 00’s with that, though.

There does seem to be some kind of “whiteness” or blurriness on the photo, highlighted by the red circles. Maybe the photos were taken from a screen, thus accounting for the banding, and the blurriness is thumb prints on said screen? I can see a lot of lines through the blurriness around the mat, as if someone ran a pen nib over the screen through a finger print?

Highlighted the thing in the blue circle because what is it?

I wonder how much time there was between both photos having been taken? The furniture surrounding the fireplace/the knickknacks on the mantle are very different in both photos which makes me think they’re from two different tenants. One from a photo/still from a video CB had on a storage device, and a more recent photo from LE carrying out searches of his old abodes for comparison?

Theres a black leather whip on the left of the photo laid out on a yellow cloth. Goodness knows what the black, sausage thing is on the wooden chest? Looks as though I need to trawl an s&m catalogue to find out ew!
This photo looks like a ‘scene’ photo set up for the beginning of a story of photos to come!

 

[Lilly b]

Ahh ok,it was about a parking space accident...
‘Only one day before Ingas' disappearance, the

They think he was driving between Braunschweig and Neuwegersleben? A day before little Inga vanished? For scouting the area?

I used to get this kind of banding when printing colour photos on my very sh***y Epson printer. Going back to the early 00’s with that, though.

There does seem to be some kind of “whiteness” or blurriness on the photo, highlighted by the red circles. Maybe the photos were taken from a screen, thus accounting for the banding, and the blurriness is thumb prints on said screen? I can see a lot of lines through the blurriness around the mat, as if someone ran a pen nib over the screen through a finger print?

Highlighted the thing in the blue circle because what is it?

I wonder how much time there was between both photos having been taken? The furniture surrounding the fireplace/the knickknacks on the mantle are very different in both photos which makes me think they’re from two different tenants. One from a photo/still from a video CB had on a storage device, and a more recent photo from LE carrying out searches of his old abodes for comparison?

Or 2 different rooms?

 

[Chiatos]

What Ruth says is "I believe he came here in 1994, 1995, something like that". I think she may be actually talking about when CB arrived in Portugal though, not when he started living at the farmhouse. I'm not sure. I've read in other places he lived there from 1999 to 2006.

Regarding Monte Judea, you seemed quite specific about the date being in March 2006, have you got a link for that date or is it just something you've assumed? It's not something I've been able to find.

As for the Austrian couple, I listened to what they said but I still think it may just be an approximation. After all, they weren't living there at the time so they must have been told about it by someone else. I don't think we can take it as Gospel that he was living there by May 3rd based on their statement. As you had written April I was hoping you had seen it confirmed elsewhere.

1st Point, about what Ruth said:
I agree that the question by the reporter and Ruths answer are a bit confusing:
the reporter asked the following question to Ruth: "Desde quando é que se lembra de CB?" = "Since when do you remember CB?"
Ruth answers: I believe he came here in 1994-1995. It can be interpreted in two ways.

2nd Point, regarding Monte Judeu:
there are multiple sources for year 2006 in Monte Judeu. Many behind a pay wall, but part of the text can be seen in google. The one source that I have found mentioning the month March in 2006 is in that image that I posted earlier.
Here is a source stating the CB was living in Monte Judeu intermittently in the ninetees and again in 2006 (no month mentioned): Privacy settings
CB was a drifter and stayed a bit everywhere.

3rd Point, about CB in Foral:
CB was a drifter. At that time he most probably was roaming around in his WF and spending his nights in it and sleeping over here and there, including at Foral. Based on the much information that we have up to now.

John Clarke of the Olive Press said in the Sexta9 that "CB had a lot of friends in Foral" when MM went missing.
See: [16:20] at https://cdn-ondemand.rtp.pt/nas2.share/informacao/2020/wMaddieTJ_2606ww_288584.mp4
John’s hypothesis is that CB made MM disappear by making use of Foral.

According to the Austrian couple CB was living in Foral already when MM disappeared.
CB was frequenting Foral and the group at Villa Bianca at the time MM went missing. As we know by now, CB is not someone who was able to stay put at one address and live like most people do in one single house. He preferred to roam around as a free bird in his van visiting Foral, Barrocal and other places. Sleeping in his van and staying over at Villa Bianca. Hence living at Villa Bianca.

On paper CB was still living at Sitio das Lajas in May 2007, but in fact, in May 2007, Ruth hadn't seen seen him at the finca for a couple of years. He was roaming around (between prison, Monte Judeu, Barrocal and Foral and who knows what other places). He was living nowhere and everywhere.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Looks like a dog lying on the sofa to me.

I also see a dog, coloured like a rottweiler. He had such a dog. And i see a black whip too. That means, the L.E. got these pictures directly from CB's drives. So they may have a lot of disgusting footage he made.

Surely including actions on that wooden beam!

 

[Chiatos]

If dogs were dug in sand, then having heads looking out might just be accidental as sands move easily. Maybe heads were just the most shocking visions. Perhaps he used sand because he buried them so often, doing it in sand is much easier.

Come on!

 

[mrjitty]

I alao have a theory to drop in here about where he might have taken her, going by my own experience of living in a holiday resort where some properties dont get used for years. I personally wouldnt rule out that he had already set up a vacant holiday home in preparation for the abduction, this could have even been very close to the ocean club and therefore walking distance. A break in at the property may not have been reported or discovered for weeks, months or even years after, if nothing was found to be missing it may not have even been reported at all.

My theory aligns with Mark Harrison. In these type of cases there are usually 2 or 3 crime scenes.

The point of abduction, a hidden scene where the victim is attacked, and then a dumping area.

IMO, the disposal was likely not sophisticated. Usually the body turns up within days, weeks. months or years. But sometimes the perp simply gets lucky that the body does not turn up for much longer if at all (Susanne Pilley). The world is a big place.

IMO MM died at the scene, or shortly thereafter at an unknown location. I suspect she was dumped at a vacant holiday home in the short term. I've always wondered if the body was then moved to a better concealment later.

 

[Newthoughts]

"mrjitty, post: 16206448, member: 122151"]RSBM

There have been different law enforcement entities involved down the years.

Mark Harrison was an English specialist who developed a theory of the case that the child had been murdered and dumped somewhere close by all the way back in 2007.

We don't know what the German's may have, but the idea they are saying anything particular new in terms of their theory of the case is far fetched. They simply have a different suspect.

Lots of theories have abounded since 2007 but in the absence of anything substantive they've remained just that. However likely they are - and statistically I think Mark Harrison's was the most likely by a huge margin - the paucity of any hard evidence or info meant all that could be definitively said was missing persons .

So the very fact German LE have come right out and said they're treating it as a murder investigation is new

Also new is the claim this is based on actual evidence which they will not disclose.

That they believe they know how she died is chillingly new.

That they have good reason to believe other person's had knowledge of what happened that night is new. As is the belief that person or persons may know that whereabouts. Those are new assumptions.

The asking for details of two specific vehicles is new.

And the fact they have a suspect in custody and are investigating for the crime is brand new.

So just based just on German LE statements - lots is new. Before all we had was speculation

 

[mrjitty]

This is the whole paragraph:
Today the editor-in-chief of German tabloid Bild, Julian Reichelt, told ITV's Good Morning Britain: 'They have an idea of how Madeleine McCann died and how the killing was actually done. But they do not know where the body may have been buried'.

He said that police are interested in Brueckner because he has 'knowledge' of the abduction that only a suspect could be aware of, which has convinced officers Madeleine was killed and he was involved. But police have made an international appeal for a 'knockout' piece of evidence that could put him in the dock - and believe British tourists are likely to be key to finding it.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has said the authorities have 'evidence' that the three-year-old was killed after she was snatched from Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007 and Brueckner is currently the only suspect.

He told Sky News: 'We don't have Madeleine McCann's body but we expect she is dead. We need more information from people to find the places where he has lived and search them for Madeleine'. But he added that they cannot yet 'communicate it' with the public 'at this time' how they know.

I thought they secretly recorded him. This would be the evidence that is not admissible in court.
But what is "'knowledge' of the abduction that only a suspect could be aware of" - this has to be something that hasn't been reported and also something that they did not ask the parents if it was true.
Could be for example that the police call where all forces went prior to Madeleine missing and therefore did not attend Madeleine call on time was organised by him.
Or that Madeleine entered the apartment on that day at exactly say 4 pm or that for example there were 3 empty pink glasses of juice left on the table. Or that the passports were left in the middle shelf. etc etc

Bild is 100% unreliable.

 

[LeopardLeotard]

Could they be looking for British tourists because of cameras?,could they have footage or photos or cams that were only sold in UK?,i have a feeling he may have stolen them on his 'nightwalks',maybe he observed 'tourists' with videocams and took his pick,if they had something he desired,be it valuables or potential victims (children)..

 

[SuperdadV8]

Could they be looking for British tourists because of cameras?,could they have footage or photos or cams that were only sold in UK?,i have a feeling he may have stolen them on his 'nightwalks',maybe he observed 'tourists' with videocams and took his pick,if they had something he desired,be it valuables or potential victims (children)..

IMO they are looking for female british victims, they found on the footage! Maybe to charge him for other rapes he might have done.

The Friends of CB or maybe Burglars who found the videocamera shall have told the police, they saw footage of raping the elder Lady AND of a younger english speaking girl, tied to the wooden beam and had to do oral practice on C.B.!

IMO it is possible, the videocamera was handed out to PJ and now they're looking for just that girl to come out. Maybe the pics are stills of even that Video!

So the arrow to the wooden beam, that is seen on some version of these pics, makes a good sense! Just like "We know what he did to you, tell us who you are and if you have been raped!".

 

[Lilly b]

IMO they are looking for female british victims, they found on the footage! Maybe to charge him for other rapes he might have done.

The Friends of CB or maybe Burglars who found the videocamera shall have told the police, they saw footage of raping the elder Lady AND of a younger english speaking girl, tied to the wooden beam and had to do oral practice on C.B.!

IMO it is possible, the videocamera was handed out to PJ and now they're looking for just that girl to come out. Maybe the pics are stills of even that Video!

So the arrow to the wooden beam, that is seen on some version of these pics, makes a good sense! Just like "We know what he did to you, tell us who you are and if you have been raped!".

Think there was the 72 year old, someone in the 40's and a younger victim. Up to the age of 20, correct me if I'm wrong, these are the only 3 been mentioned ( as in what has been seen on a video)

 

[mrjitty]

So the very fact German LE have come right out and said they're treating it as a murder investigation is new

Also new is the claim this is based on actual evidence which they will not disclose.

RSBM

Well like I posted weeks ago, I am deeply cynical where a prosecutor is claiming the accused definitely did it on the record, yet somehow lacks proof of the same to charge, unless this is somehow an unusual case where somehow the proof is not admissible.

Where is the 100% conviction in guilt and identity coming from, if the evidence is not there?

That's my .02c

 

[SuperdadV8]

Think there was the 72 year old, someone in the 40's and a younger victim. Up to the age of 20, correct me if I'm wrong, these are the only 3 been mentioned ( as in what has been seen on a video)

Yes, it has been said, there were many women, that have been raped on the tape. It has also been said, the burglars may have burned the footage.

But if CB has shown footage of raping an elder lady back in 2017 when he made his boozy confession, than IMO the footage still existed at the time, maybe in digital form, found again on one of his usb's. He seemed to have kept his throphies. In the mid-2000s, converting tapes to digital files was already easy. The videocam could also had been a digital one already.

 

[Tim N]

This is the whole paragraph:
Today the editor-in-chief of German tabloid Bild, Julian Reichelt, told ITV's Good Morning Britain: 'They have an idea of how Madeleine McCann died and how the killing was actually done. But they do not know where the body may have been buried'.

He said that police are interested in Brueckner because he has 'knowledge' of the abduction that only a suspect could be aware of, which has convinced officers Madeleine was killed and he was involved. But police have made an international appeal for a 'knockout' piece of evidence that could put him in the dock - and believe British tourists are likely to be key to finding it.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has said the authorities have 'evidence' that the three-year-old was killed after she was snatched from Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007 and Brueckner is currently the only suspect.

He told Sky News: 'We don't have Madeleine McCann's body but we expect she is dead. We need more information from people to find the places where he has lived and search them for Madeleine'. But he added that they cannot yet 'communicate it' with the public 'at this time' how they know.

I thought they secretly recorded him. This would be the evidence that is not admissible in court.
But what is "'knowledge' of the abduction that only a suspect could be aware of" - this has to be something that hasn't been reported and also something that they did not ask the parents if it was true.
Could be for example that the police call where all forces went prior to Madeleine missing and therefore did not attend Madeleine call on time was organised by him.
Or that Madeleine entered the apartment on that day at exactly say 4 pm or that for example there were 3 empty pink glasses of juice left on the table. Or that the passports were left in the middle shelf. etc etc

i think that the videos on the usb show her dead, almost dead, or soon to be dead..and the perps cant positively be identified. probably were disguised or in some pedo garb..

im sorry that this is confronting. it fits the narrative and matches every statement made about MMs status and whereabouts. . very very sadly..

 

[Deleted member 268067]

Theres a black leather whip on the left of the photo laid out on a yellow cloth. Goodness knows what the black, sausage thing is on the wooden chest? Looks as though I need to trawl an s&m catalogue to find out ew!
This photo looks like a ‘scene’ photo set up for the beginning of a story of photos to come!

Sorry to ask but the thread is moving so fast - what’s the photo?

 

[mrjitty]

RSBM

Well like I posted weeks ago, I am deeply cynical where a prosecutor is claiming the accused definitely did it on the record, yet somehow lacks proof of the same to charge, unless this is somehow an unusual case where somehow the proof is not admissible.

Where is the 100% conviction in guilt and identity coming from, if the evidence is not there?

That's my .02c

I should also be clear - I am not saying the German Prosecutor has nothing - clearly he has enough to have a strong suspect.

What I am saying is what he does have can't be that strong, or he would be charging.

So hence my confusion about why he is using the language typically applied to someone who is charged, rather than a suspect.

Overall I am not a fan of Prosecutors claiming guilt in respect of suspects who are not charged

 

[Tim N]

I’m of the the opinion that German LE have worked out that the reason this case has never been solved it due to numerous false leads/statements from Natives & Expats.

in addition to that my feeling is that the difficulty is due to the number of possible perps, and that many of them knew each other.

 

[Deleted member 268067]

i think that the videos on the usb show her dead, almost dead, or soon to be dead..and the perps cant positively be identified. probably were disguised or in some pedo garb..

im sorry that this is confronting. it fits the narrative and matches every statement made about MMs status and whereabouts. . very very sadly..

You don’t need to apologise. We’ve all said the same. It seems that there’s some kind of video footage where victim or perpetrator isn’t clear - maybe perp, particular since they’ve worked so hard to invite people to identify features of his different homes.