NC - Fort Bragg Spc. Enrique Roman-Martinez, 21, Cape Lookout, 23 May 2020 *severed head washed ashore*

[mlhenn]

I have not been able to find it. Since a 911 call is a public document, I don't think you need to link to a news source. But how else would anyone know that it's authentic?

I’m sure it is authentic...positive it is. The parts from the two different links I previously posted match.
I asked a mod and as I thought, the link it comes from needs to be a verified source. The site I heard it on seems legit, there wasn’t anything “off” or “bad” about it, it’s just not considered mainstream media per say.

I am more than happy to share the link to the entire 911 call through the conversation section of WS.

 

[mlhenn]

Mystery deepens as 911 call released in case of Chino paratrooper whose body was found in NC

Updated 3 hrs ago

A recording of the 911 call made around 7 p.m. on Saturday, May 23, indicates that his friends were concerned after they could not locate Roman-Martinez.
A person in the group tells the dispatcher they saw him walk away wearing only blue shorts around midnight - roughly 19 hours before the call.
“When we woke up he was not here and we've been looking for him all day," the caller reports.

(The narrow 26-mile long island is not an easy place to go missing, Toering says. The geography makes it difficult to get lost for an extended period of time unless they are experiencing some other problem, a ranger said.)

The caller goes on to say the group is worried Specialist Roman Martinez was suicidal.

"We might be afraid that he might've hurt himself but we're really not sure," the caller said.
"He wasn't diagnosed but he did have suicidal tendencies."

 

[mlhenn]

Mystery deepens as 911 call released in case of Chino paratrooper whose body was found in NC

To Note:
His older sister says her conversations with her brother changed over the last year.

"He started saying that he didn't want to be there he just wanted to come home," Griselda Martinez said.

But he also had a lot to look forward to. The end of his term in the service was less than a year away.

"He wanted to live. We had all these plans. He was going to buy his first car here. He was going to move in with me. He wanted to go to school. We were going to take a trip to Japan."

 

[mlhenn]

Inconsistencies in account of paratrooper’s disappearance and homicide trouble his family

Another updated article

1.
The other soldiers camping with Martinez last saw him at midnight, just before they fell asleep, an unidentified caller told the 911 dispatcher according to a recording provided to Army Times by county officials.

“When we woke up, he was not here and we’ve been looking for him all day,” the caller said. “We were trying to find a Park Ranger or their offices, or anything, and so we went all the way to the ferry and found that we needed to dial 911.”

However, early in the afternoon, Park Rangers encountered the group and asked them to move their vehicles, said Cape Lookout National Seashore spokesman B.G. Horvat. The group was parked too close to sand dunes, an important park resource, and asking them to move was a routine request.
No mention of Martinez missing to rangers at that time.

2.
The unidentified 911 caller also said their group was “afraid [Martinez] might’ve hurt himself.” And though he was undiagnosed, they claimed he had “suicidal tendencies,” an allegation Griselda disputed.
If you believe your friend has suicidal tendencies, why would you let them walk off in the middle of the night with no belongings?” said Griselda. “Why wouldn’t you, first thing in the morning, wake up and freak out ... On top of that, why would you wait all day, until 7:30 p.m. to report him missing?”

 

[mlhenn]

Inconsistencies in account of paratrooper’s disappearance and homicide trouble his family

To Note:
•The Army’s Criminal Investigation Division is treating Martinez’s death as a homicide, CID confirmed. But could not comment on the inconsistencies in the other campers’ narrative of events, citing the ongoing investigation.
•Griselda and the rest of her family have not spoken with those soldiers, and they don’t know their names. Army officials attributed the inconsistency to carelessness, Griselda recalled.
•Very few clues were found during the search by those scouring the island.
•The medical examiner’s office said that the homicide determination was at least partially made based on what remains washed up and the condition they were in, which couldn’t have been done by a boat or shark.
•The group he was camping with didn’t know why he left, or if they did, that information hasn’t been shared with the family.
•The family wanted to speak to the soldiers who camped with ERM, but the Army did not permit it.
•Army CID has held its cards close, concerned that sharing too many details, even with family, could tip off suspects or persons of interest.
•He was in his 4th year and months away from leaving the Army
•ERM was scheduled to be medically discharged due to chronic compartment syndrome in his legs

 

[CluelessWonder]

I heard the whole 911 tape. When you are listened for something, you can often hear it. Whether it's a pause or stutter that seems to indicate that someone is lying or misspoken words. So I don't want to trick myself until believing something only because I want to.

But the inconsistencies must be addressed. That caller must have a really good explanation for why he said they tried to reach a ranger when a ranger was right at their camp.

There's every reason to be suspicious of these campers. One or more of them might have done something terrible. At the same time, I continue to struggle with the notion that some seemingly regular young people would chop up a body on a busy beach for any reason. I get the whole racing on the beach theory. It's valid and would explain a lot. But jeez.

 

[Inobu]

There are a lot of questionable actions in the 911 call.

Inconsistencies in account of paratrooper’s disappearance and homicide trouble his family

Another updated article

1.
The other soldiers camping with Martinez last saw him at midnight, just before they fell asleep, an unidentified caller told the 911 dispatcher according to a recording provided to Army Times by county officials.

“When we woke up, he was not here and we’ve been looking for him all day,” the caller said. “We were trying to find a Park Ranger or their offices, or anything, and so we went all the way to the ferry and found that we needed to dial 911.”

However, early in the afternoon, Park Rangers encountered the group and asked them to move their vehicles, said Cape Lookout National Seashore spokesman B.G. Horvat. The group was parked too close to sand dunes, an important park resource, and asking them to move was a routine request.
No mention of Martinez missing to rangers at that time.

2.
The unidentified 911 caller also said their group was “afraid [Martinez] might’ve hurt himself.” And though he was undiagnosed, they claimed he had “suicidal tendencies,” an allegation Griselda disputed.
If you believe your friend has suicidal tendencies, why would you let them walk off in the middle of the night with no belongings?” said Griselda. “Why wouldn’t you, first thing in the morning, wake up and freak out ... On top of that, why would you wait all day, until 7:30 p.m. to report him missing?”

So many issue at hand.

The 911 call is an establishment of a alibi. Speaking as a group to 911 with no urgency in locating the individual but giving
reason or conclusion of a death is suspect.

Remember.....a lie is created by bits of the truth. A change of heart could be almost "suicidal".

The investigation needs to go back a few months leading up to the trip. The issue that stuck out was ERM change of heart.
So, What happened?

A quick search yields One has to ponder if there is a connection.

Sgt. Matthew D. Joskowitz, 24, died Oct. 31, 2019, at Fort Bragg
Pvt. Jamie Wyatt Boger died at Fort Bragg on March 16 2020

 

[bombardier]

Mystery deepens as 911 call released in case of Chino paratrooper whose body was found in NC

The caller goes on to say the group is worried Specialist Roman Martinez was suicidal.

"We might be afraid that he might've hurt himself but we're really not sure," the caller said.
"He wasn't diagnosed but he did have suicidal tendencies."

the wording of this bit is also very strange (as is most of the wording in the 911 call); if i were worried about a friend id try to say in as few words 'im worried they may kill/hurt themself'. the bit about him being undiagnosed sounds like an explanation for a future where ERM remained a missing person (as the perpetrator, whoever they are, hoped) and LE tried to look into medical records for a psychological explanation and found no MI history.

 

[mlhenn]

the wording of this bit is also very strange (as is most of the wording in the 911 call); if i were worried about a friend id try to say in as few words 'im worried they may kill/hurt themself'. the bit about him being undiagnosed sounds like an explanation for a future where ERM remained a missing person (as the perpetrator, whoever they are, hoped) and LE tried to look into medical records for a psychological explanation and found no MI history.

It seemed awkward, almost like an “over share” to me...instead of leaving it at “I’m worried he may hurt himself” the caller decided to add in “although he hasn’t been formally diagnosed”...just seemed a little too much. IMO

 

[mlhenn]

There are a lot of questionable actions in the 911 call.


So many issue at hand.

The 911 call is an establishment of a alibi. Speaking as a group to 911 with no urgency in locating the individual but giving
reason or conclusion of a death is suspect.

Remember.....a lie is created by bits of the truth. A change of heart could be almost "suicidal".

The investigation needs to go back a few months leading up to the trip. The issue that stuck out was ERM change of heart.
So, What happened?

A quick search yields One has to ponder if there is a connection.

Sgt. Matthew D. Joskowitz, 24, died Oct. 31, 2019, at Fort Bragg
Pvt. Jamie Wyatt Boger died at Fort Bragg on March 16 2020

If I may ask...what do you mean by ERM’s change of heart?
Are you referring to his discharge from the military?
Or his attitude toward the military in general?

Inconsistencies in account of paratrooper’s disappearance and homicide trouble his family

Martinez was months away from leaving the Army at the time of his death, Griselda said, adding that her younger brother was planning to move back to California and live with her.

Martinez, who was in the fourth year of his enlistment, was scheduled to be medically discharged due to chronic compartment syndrome in his legs, which limited his ability to run long-distance.

Instead of receiving corrective surgery that may or may not fully fix the problem, he was interested in getting out and using his military benefits to study pharmacology and psychology.

 

[CluelessWonder]

I think they do need to check out the history of ERM and his "friends." There may be something there.

If I was camping on a beach and someone was gone, I would think that the person might have drowned. That would be my first inclination. Not suicide.

 

[mlhenn]

Mystery over Army paratrooper found dead after disappearance | Daily Mail Online

To Note:
•His sister said that officials have not offered the family much information, and that they've been told not to speak publicly about the case.

'They've asked us not to say anything that might impede the investigation or keep them from arresting someone,' she said.

•Martinez said she believes there are people of interest in the case, but investigators haven't found enough evidence to bring any charges.
'That's the whole problem,' she said.

•Michael Coleman, an Army veteran who served as chaplain for Roman-Martinez, said his 'heart dropped' when learned the soldier was missing.
He agreed that someone who was with Roman-Martinez on the island likely knows more than they're saying.
'I think something happened, something went wrong and it went downhill quickly,' Coleman said.

•Martinez said her brother's attitude toward the Army appeared to darken in the year before his death.
'He started saying that he didn't want to be there he just wanted to come home,' she said.
But she said that he did not sound at all suicidal as they frequently talked about their plans for the future.

 

[mlhenn]

Mystery as paratrooper found ‘dismembered on camping trip with fellow soldiers’

To Note the callers exact words: word choice, sequence, pausing, etc...
Roman-Martinez’s friends were concerned after they could not locate him, “When we woke up he was not there and we’ve been looking for him all day.” The caller reports.

“So we all went to bed at 12:03. That’s when we all decided to go to bed and that is the last time we saw him.”

 

[Inobu]

If I may ask...what do you mean by ERM’s change of heart?
Are you referring to his discharge from the military?
Or his attitude toward the military in general?

His sister stated Mystery deepens as 911 call released in case of Chino paratrooper whose body was found in NC

His older sister says her conversations with her brother changed over the last year.
"He started saying that he didn't want to be there he just wanted to come home," Griselda Martinez said.

This is an indicator.......Typically Military Duty separation is a count down and its a I can't wait........
I "just want to come home" is a little different. The fact that he was killed paints something was going on.

There are 2 other in Barracks death they are investigating......makes me wonder.

 

[Acorunadepor]

I think they do need to check out the history of ERM and his "friends." There may be something there.

If I was camping on a beach and someone was gone, I would think that the person might have drowned. That would be my first inclination. Not suicide.

Exactly. I am still thinking about the jeeps on the beach. They asked the community if they saw people driving those two jeeps.

I first thought he might have fallen out of the first jeep and run over by the second. But since CID is treating this as a homicide, this group is collectively covering up something. Which is absolutely not unusual for a group of soldiers.

But the rage that was shown in the form of mutilation is concerning. Somebody just suddenly went crazy.

 

[Bulmabunny57]

If I may ask...what do you mean by ERM’s change of heart?
Are you referring to his discharge from the military?
Or his attitude toward the military in general?

Inconsistencies in account of paratrooper’s disappearance and homicide trouble his family

Martinez was months away from leaving the Army at the time of his death, Griselda said, adding that her younger brother was planning to move back to California and live with her.

Martinez, who was in the fourth year of his enlistment, was scheduled to be medically discharged due to chronic compartment syndrome in his legs, which limited his ability to run long-distance.

Instead of receiving corrective surgery that may or may not fully fix the problem, he was interested in getting out and using his military benefits to study pharmacology and psychology.

More likely than not as a paratrooper his worsening leg condition would affect his landing ability, rather than the concern of running long distances.

With the two other barracks deaths, my inclination would be to believe something not kosher happened on a deployment, and the group was concerned Martinez would say something on his way out, maybe?

 

[Inobu]

More likely than not as a paratrooper his worsening leg condition would affect his landing ability, rather than the concern of running long distances.

With the two other barracks deaths, my inclination would be to believe something not kosher happened on a deployment, and the group was concerned Martinez would say something on his way out, maybe?

Something is fishy...........

Sgt. Matthew D. Joskowitz, 24, died Oct. 31, 2019, at Fort Bragg
Private 2nd Class Caleb Smither died January 21, 2020, at Fort Bragg
Pvt. Jamie Wyatt Boger died March 16, 2020, at Fort Bragg
Spc. Enrique Roman-Martinez, died May 22, 2020 at Cape Lookout NC, Post Fort Bragg

All 4 under investigation....

There are two other attributed to accidents.

 

[CluelessWonder]

It's definitely worth researching other deaths at Fort Bragg. But keep in mind that it's the largest military base in the world with more than 60,000 soldiers. So it's probably common for there to be deaths every year.

 

[Inobu]

It's definitely worth researching other deaths at Fort Bragg. But keep in mind that it's the largest military base in the world with more than 60,000 soldiers. So it's probably common for there to be deaths every year.

I would agree in that it is a small city but when cause of death is "under investigation" something is wrong.

ERM's sister said that he started saying that he just wanted to come home and he winds up in pieces dead with "friend"
you have to wonder. The to find a list of undetermined dead in the barracks. You have to wonder.

 

[mlhenn]

I would agree in that it is a small city but when cause of death is "under investigation" something is wrong.

ERM's sister said that he started saying that he just wanted to come home and he winds up in pieces dead with "friend"
you have to wonder. The to find a list of undetermined dead in the barracks. You have to wonder.

In one of the articles previously posted his sister also stated that ERM didn’t really want to go on the trip but eventually decided he would go with the group.
Makes me wonder his reasoning for not really wanting to go. Were the group & ERM not really close friends, just more of acquaintances? In a different article posted, the sister said the family does not even know the names or the faces of the other soldiers that went camping. I would assume even if the Army CID isn’t releasing names, the family would still have a good idea of who they were if it were close friends of his.
Merely my opinion.