Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #82

[katydid23]

I believe he has people there that met him - of course I have no way of knowing this but my common sense and prior White House tours - there are people everywhere in the White House and his continued arrogance of no mask behavior signals to me he does not believe how serious it is STILL- because how would he know the hall would be empty and therefore safe to remove the mask? He did not and the SS has to be near him - it was a gesture but if there was a camera in the entryway or someone who shot a video I would love to see that he cared enough to put the mask back on just in case he encountered someone
JMO
And I feel we are back again in March with the mask no mask debate... IMO

Yes, in normal times the White House is a crowded place full of people coming and going-----but
NOT when he is returning from the hospital with a contagious virus, and when so many staff members already have been infected.

I am pretty sure that it was planned out where he was entering and it was free and clear at this time.

 

[MsArk]

Yes, cause he’s outside and stood on his own.

Then he walked back inside, maskless, with a group of people. Real “thoughtful” of him.

 

[gitana1]

Well so far I’ve not seen anyone around him when he’s had his mask off Until I see otherwise I’m not going to accuse him of “deliberately endangering and disrespecting” anyone.

I will. This is a worldwide health crisis and it is crucial to sustaining life for our leaders to advocate and model mask wearing.

We have public health and safety campaigns about wearing seatbelts. Putting our kids in car seats. Using fire and carbon monoxide alarms. Not driving drunk. Keeping guns unloaded and out of the reach of others. Not swimming alone. And on and on and on.

In what world is it okay not to “judge” a government official and national leader who not only fails to follow those protocols and to model following them, but also actually MOCKS those who do?

My God. IMO, this is exactly the kind of thing we DO need to judge!

We need help getting as many people as possible to get on board with protecting themselves and others. That will not only save lives and prevent catastrophic illness, it will help the economy. Because people will start to feel safer to venture out and invest in the economy as long as most people are following the rules.

It’s usually a fight to get the public to follow health and safety protocols. That’s why we actually have to have laws mandating or prohibiting certain things.

So having a leader that half the country respects thumbing his nose at those protocols is devastating to the already hrs fight to get the public on board.


This is just not okay. And given the difference in care that most obtain compared to the elite, it’s downright disgusting to me.

Our leaders have a responsibility to do everything necessary to protect us.

 

[katydid23]

I believe he has people there that met him - of course I have no way of knowing this but my common sense and prior White House tours - there are people everywhere in the White House and his continued arrogance of no mask behavior signals to me he does not believe how serious it is STILL- because how would he know the hall would be empty and therefore safe to remove the mask? He did not and the SS has to be near him - it was a gesture but if there was a camera in the entryway or someone who shot a video I would love to see that he cared enough to put the mask back on just in case he encountered someone
JMO
And I feel we are back again in March with the mask no mask debate... IMO

Yes, in normal times the White House is a crowded place full of people coming and going-----but
NOT when he is returning from the hospital with a contagious virus, and when so many staff members already have been infected.

I am pretty sure that it was planned out where he was entering and it was free and clear at this time. JMO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Paula Reid@PaulaReidCBS
I sat in close proximity to two maskless, now COVID positive, White House staffers at last Thursday’s briefing. So I am now working from home & getting regular COVID tests.

 

[JaneEyre]

I can't believe he took his mask off around those photographers and then walked inside the White House with it off. (Fox News has footage) What the heck??!! What about his staff? The other people who work there?

Utterly disgusting behavior. No regard for others' lives.

 

[10ofRods]

"The building he's returning to has become a center for viral contagion -- in part because of disregard for mitigation measures."

"As more of his aides test positive for the disease and questions emerge about what steps have been taken to curtail the spread, Trump's physician Dr. Sean Conley offered few details on how staff members would be kept safe upon Trump's return to the White House, which is equipped with its own medical suite."

This is what is so interesting to me, scientifically!

Does anyone know what happens when a person (still with CoVid) re-enters an infected environment? (I don't now that that describes the WH - but it sure could).

I tend to be cautious. We do know that masks do a bit better at protecting others from getting the virus (so that means Trump should be wearing one) than the other direction (so if the staff wear masks, Trump will be protected - but they won't be protected from him).

Most of the studies of contagion for CoVid look at patients who didn't get the drugs that Trump did (where their own bodies had to fight it off).

MIT suggests that 10 days is the minimum isolation period post-symptom onset (but it varies a lot by individual). If the person's symptoms return in any manner, they are probably contagious again. 2 negative tests 24 hours apart after 10 days seems to be the standard for many places.

Trump missed a big opportunity to address these public health issues and makes all the rest of us who have to teach and live public health walk further uphill.

 

[WildOrchid]

Signing off for tonight. This thread is going to get me in trouble if I don’t.

 

[MsArk]

Signing off for tonight. This thread is going to get me in trouble if I don’t.

I am right behind you. Have a nice evening.

 

[tresir2012]

Science Magazine piece gives you something to think about - you might not want exactly the same treatment as that given to the president. One part my contradict the other (and no one can know for sure, as he's apparently the only known person who has had the treatment):

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/10/05/the-presidents-coronavirus-treatment

Did he have polyclonal or monoclonal, I will have to check. This is an opinion piece so I will take it as that so assuming we do not know when POTUS was infected we don't know the stage he is at with the infection. I think they clearly wanted to reduce the viral load and then shorten the symptoms with the 5 days Remdesivir. He must have improved enough for the doctors to agree to his release and I think it is remarkable. Let's say that he was infected around the same time as Hope Hicks and she was showing symptoms on Wednesday then they could have both had the virus for a week, at that stage so giving him these drugs became urgent. We will need to wait another week to see if he is fully recovered, I believe. MOO.

 

[10ofRods]

March 20th for me. I know the date as it was the Friday before lockdown. Headache from hell hit me around 6am, pow.

Sometimes it gets me down. I think what has it done to me (and what might it still do)? And should I have the word "format" tattooed on my arm, in case I forget it again...?!

The fatigue days are the worst, frustrating. Mr HKP is concerned and sad, I hate to see that on his face.

Wish your friend well xX

Have you tried NAC (the supplement - that aids in boosting the immune system, I'm presuming maybe you're my age - it really helps people after a viral onslaught).

I'm so sorry you have the fatigue days. All you can do is rest, but sometimes others are not very understanding.

Did you have occasional headaches before?

 

[CharlestonGal]

I wonder if he was given a neurological exam before he left? To assess for neural involvement by covid? Or cognitive side effects from the mass of drugs he's on? He does not look like a patient with reality testing completely intact. His behavior over the last 24 hours is worrisome.

 

[gitana1]

Yes, in normal times the White House is a crowded place full of people coming and going-----but
NOT when he is returning from the hospital with a contagious virus, and when so many staff members already have been infected.

I am pretty sure that it was planned out where he was entering and it was free and clear at this time. JMO

I love you, sweet friend but I really think this is not a great excuse. He needs to wear a mask. Just to be a good role model alone. But that aside ALL people with COVID need to wear masks when around others, unless alone in a room no one enters without a hazmat suit.

As we know, this virus can hang around in the air in enclosed areas for some time and can probably infect someone up to half an hour later after they enter the area. And people who are sick sometimes spontaneously cough or sneeze which makes things worse.

We really deserve better than this.

 

[oviedo]

Yes, in normal times the White House is a crowded place full of people coming and going-----but
NOT when he is returning from the hospital with a contagious virus, and when so many staff members already have been infected.

I am pretty sure that it was planned out where he was entering and it was free and clear at this time. JMO

I would like to see video because as we saw in the rose garden just last week - there was no consideration displayed and certainly not a mandatory mask order - nothing has changed IMO and the taking off of his mask just confirms it - I would feel so much better had he left it on and waved signaling to everyone “I’m positive and I care about who I may come in contact with and I have my mask on” it would have meant so much
JMO

 

[oviedo]

Signing off for tonight. This thread is going to get me in trouble if I don’t.

Me too
Stay safe and I just opened my target delivery with three lemon masks !!

 

[SouthAussie]

I have have no control over anyone else. I easily found out how to take measures to protect myself and others.

The idea that I may disregard wearing a mask because the President said something or did something is ludicrous to me. JMO

What about the many people who look to their leader for leadership?
Those people who don't "find out" how to best protect themselves?

I find it ludicrous, too. But it seems that too many people don't. Those maskless people, thronged closely together, taking part in the vigil for the leader outside Walter Reed ... the maskless people in the Rose Garden ... the maskless people sitting closely together at the indoor rally ... the maskless people socialising together at the indoor reception after the Rose Garden event.

No matter, it seems that we are not going to agree on this.

IMO

 

[tresir2012]

I've posted before about this. All of these people are using the rapid tests counter to the manufacturer's explicit instructions.

They are not accurate if the person is asymptomatic (or even paucisymptomatic). They are only 94-95% accurate to begin with. But the manufacturer explicitly states that they should only be used when there are symptoms (plural).

They are not for screening asymptomatic patients. That's why the president had to get a different test (in his case, he had the results of the PCR swab test in 2 hours).

But people can test negative on those rapid tests over and over for the first week of their infection. The tests are designed for people who show up at ER's or clinics, with symptoms of cold/flu and the staff needs to know right away if it's CoVid.

It gave all of them a false sense of security (and is still being used in the same way, for many people who wish to be at big public gatherings and think they are "screened" for CoVId).

It was just a matter of time until this happened - MMW, it will happen again.

PCR/swab tests are about 99% accurate but take more than 15 minutes and require a lab.

I have asked it too but nobody has answered why or if the WH are using them incorrectly.

 

[Kikixxxx]

I will. This is a worldwide health crisis and it is crucial to sustaining life for our leaders to advocate and model mask wearing.

We have public health and safety campaigns about wearing seatbelts. Putting our kids in car seats. Using fire and carbon monoxide alarms. Not driving drunk. Keeping guns unloaded and out of the reach of others. Not swimming alone. And on and on and on.

In what world is it okay not to “judge” a government official and national leader who not only fails to follow those protocols and to model following them, but also actually MOCKS those who do?

My God. IMO, this is exactly the kind of thing we DO need to judge!

We need help getting as many people as possible to get on board with protecting themselves and others. That will not only save lives and prevent catastrophic illness, it will help the economy. Because people will start to feel safer to venture out and invest in the economy as long as most people are following the rules.

It’s usually a fight to get the public to follow health and safety protocols. That’s why we actually have to have laws mandating or prohibiting certain things.

So having a leader that half the country respects thumbing his nose at those protocols is devastating to the already hrs fight to get the public on board.


This is just not okay. And given the difference in care that most obtain compared to the elite, it’s downright disgusting to me.

Our leaders have a responsibility to do everything necessary to protect us.

But I agree with you, I just haven’t seen him putting anyone in danger. He was stood outside, on his own when he took his mask off. It’s like wearing a mask when your in the car on your own - what good is that going to do?

every single time we have seen him around other people he’s had his mask on. I really don’t get your issue. Who exactly has he put in danger here by standing on a balcony on his own without his mask on???

 

[10ofRods]

Did he have polyclonal or monoclonal, I will have to check. This is an opinion piece so I will take it as that so assuming we do not know when POTUS was infected we don't know the stage he is at with the infection. I think they clearly wanted to reduce the viral load and then shorten the symptoms with the 5 days Remdesivir. He must have improved enough for the doctors to agree to his release and I think it is remarkable. Let's say that he was infected around the same time as Hope Hicks and she was showing symptoms on Wednesday then they could have both had the virus for a week, at that stage so giving him these drugs became urgent. We will need to wait another week to see if he is fully recovered I believe. MOO.

Monoclonal, from everything I've read. But don't take my word for it - it's on the drug's website.

I agree that since we don't know when he got it (and I don't think his doctors can be sure either - they weren't following him around nor have they done highly scientific contact tracing - which could look at strains of CoVid, phylogenetically). At any rate, most doctors would say he needed 2 negative PCR tests about 24 hours apart, starting at about 10 days after first symptoms.

People with CoVid wax and wane in terms of how many virions they're breathing out. 10 days post symptoms means about 14-15 days total (which is why the 14 day quarantine advice is so common). But there's no way to predict the course for any individual.

If I were in charge of the USA, I'd want several days of negative tests - and to be tested (PCR) every day. I would of course want my treatment to be public - to help others.

I wish we knew more about CoVid - and since Trump is getting experimental care, it would be great if he shared more. The rest of us could benefit. I'm not sure we'll ever know anything about how his various drugs interacted though.

Giving him dexamethasone at the same time as the anti-viral is not what you do in an urgent situation. Dex is reserved for a cytokine storm or bradykine storm (which, if he had either of those, he'd be way way sicker). I hope they don't regret negating some of the benefits of the monoclonal antibodies with the Dex, later.

And, as I said before, what's the effect on the human body of gaining more virions post-infection? Will he make everyone else wear masks but he (possibly infectious) does not? Would love to know.

 

[oviedo]

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