NV NV - Steven Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #22

[Moonbeam456]

I didn't see any info on either site -just that he's lived in Texas and Utah. ?

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to this. So basically what I’m pointing out/what my question is – why is Steven’s name suddenly popping up in these search engines in relation to a business/people/town he’s never been associated with in the past? These are sites I check regularly and his name just started popping up in the past couple of months. Why? Did someone commit identity fraud and is using his info for some reason? If so, they aren’t doing a great job of hiding it…

 

[embufum]

So I'm a little confused about this Greg Webb guy who called Steven the day he went missing. In every article he's been referred to as the President of the Church in St George but I can not find this guy and he is not listed as the president of the Church at that time. I found a Greg Webb who lived in St. G and is 50 years old but he isn't listed as living in St G until 2015.

Presidents of the St. George Utah Temple | ChurchofJesusChristTemples.org

Update
I think I may have found him but I can't seem to have him living in St George at the time Steven went missing. His last 3 address has him living literally across the street from an LDS Church. This man is 38 years old and I think he went to college at the same place Steven did but I have to verify this yet.

 

[embufum]

I found the window cleaning company that Steven was working for. The guy who owned it lived literally one minute from Steven in St George and this guy is friends with David Webb. There are so many people in this circle and I'm trying to find out if any of them have connections to Henderson NV or that area. This is gonna take a minute.

 

[Evilxelvis138]

I found the window cleaning company that Steven was working for. The guy who owned it lived literally one minute from Steven in St George and this guy is friends with David Webb. There are so many people in this circle and I'm trying to find out if any of them have connections to Henderson NV or that area. This is gonna take a minute.

Didn’t the church member Steven spoke to the day he disappeared visit Vegas around the same time as well?

 

[embufum]

Didn’t the church member Steven spoke to the day he disappeared visit Vegas around the same time as well?

Yes I believe so. It’s probably coincidence but both of them in Vegas at the same time and neither of them asking why each other was there I don’t understand.

 

[fridaybaker]

Yes I believe so. It’s probably coincidence but both of them in Vegas at the same time and neither of them asking why each other was there I don’t understand.

I will take a stab at this. For more discussion, see the earlier threads. It's been bandied about here many times, as many have the same thoughts you do.

I think, traditionally, men and women just communicate differently from each other. Many men -not all- aren't "chatty", especially on the phone. They communicate what they need to (in this case, being available for the meeting) and that's that. I know that's how many men I know would be. "I wasn't planning to be there, but if you need me to I can". Period. "No, if you're busy (since he didn't say "sure", it's interpreted as otherwise engaged or something) I can do it." That's it. The entire conversation. The whole enchilada.

Now, layer onto that concept a couple of other factors. One being that the LDS church is incredibly "proscribed" in the expected behavior and monitoring of its members. This is a church that expects it's members to open up their personal books to monitor tithing habits. (Not sure if this still happens, but it certainly did in the past.) There are proscriptions about drinking coffee, alcohol, using tobacco, etc.

Then, on top of all of the formal proscriptions, there is, for lack of a better word, "peer pressure". The pressure to go on a mission, to be married shortly thereafter, to be active at certain levels in the local church and to be seen within a pretty narrow window of lifestyle: Modest dress, always "nice", polite, etc. What I'm getting at is that so many members I know wouldn't care for another member to see them even socializing with people who are outside of these norms. My experience. Given this, I think there would often be situations where one doesn't "inquire" much into specifics, especially when those aren't offered. Especially with young, single people, whose whereabouts and daily contacts, etc. aren't 100% centered around family.

Now, layer onto that the fact that both men were in..... Vegas. Vegas. A place most known for gambling, prostitution and in general everything that a Mormon must stay away from.

Certainly, the lack of inquiry as to the reason for being in Vegas is a piece of information to consider as part of the whole picture, but there just doesn't seem to be anything else in the picture that points to anything nefarious or other than what it was on the surface. Just my thoughts.

 

[embufum]

I will take a stab at this. For more discussion, see the earlier threads. It's been bandied about here many times, as many have the same thoughts you do.

I think, traditionally, men and women just communicate differently from each other. Many men -not all- aren't "chatty", especially on the phone. They communicate what they need to (in this case, being available for the meeting) and that's that. I know that's how many men I know would be. "I wasn't planning to be there, but if you need me to I can". Period. "No, if you're busy (since he didn't say "sure", it's interpreted as otherwise engaged or something) I can do it." That's it. The entire conversation. The whole enchilada.

Now, layer onto that concept a couple of other factors. One being that the LDS church is incredibly "proscribed" in the expected behavior and monitoring of its members. This is a church that expects it's members to open up their personal books to monitor tithing habits. (Not sure if this still happens, but it certainly did in the past.) There are proscriptions about drinking coffee, alcohol, using tobacco, etc.

Then, on top of all of the formal proscriptions, there is, for lack of a better word, "peer pressure". The pressure to go on a mission, to be married shortly thereafter, to be active at certain levels in the local church and to be seen within a pretty narrow window of lifestyle: Modest dress, always "nice", polite, etc. What I'm getting at is that so many members I know wouldn't care for another member to see them even socializing with people who are outside of these norms. My experience. Given this, I think there would often be situations where one doesn't "inquire" much into specifics, especially when those aren't offered. Especially with young, single people, whose whereabouts and daily contacts, etc. aren't 100% centered around family.

Now, layer onto that the fact that both men were in..... Vegas. Vegas. A place most known for gambling, prostitution and in general everything that a Mormon must stay away from.

Certainly, the lack of inquiry as to the reason for being in Vegas is a piece of information to consider as part of the whole picture, but there just doesn't seem to be anything else in the picture that points to anything nefarious or other than what it was on the surface. Just my thoughts.

You make some good points but I'm gonna disagree on a couple things. The entire conversation had to be more than what you claim because somewhere in that conversation Steven volunteered that he was in Vegas and so did Greg. They both admitted that they were in a place of gambling and other unsavory activity.

What if Greg never mentioned to Steven that he was in Vegas. All we have is Greg's word that he did. When Greg talked to the police he had to tell them where he was at just in case they found out on their own. It doesn't mean he told Steven. I would imagine that he told the police why he was in Vegas.

 

[fridaybaker]

You make some good points but I'm gonna disagree on a couple things. The entire conversation had to be more than what you claim because somewhere in that conversation Steven volunteered that he was in Vegas and so did Greg. They both admitted that they were in a place of gambling and other unsavory activity.

What if Greg never mentioned to Steven that he was in Vegas. All we have is Greg's word that he did. When Greg talked to the police he had to tell them where he was at just in case they found out on their own. It doesn't mean he told Steven. I would imagine that he told the police why he was in Vegas.

Ahhh. You make some good points.

It seems I've forgotten some things in this very old case. I'll have to refresh my memory!

 

[Ignorant_Bystander]

New here. I read the last 12 pages or so of this, also fascinated by this case. I noticed though, that there are several mentions something to the effect of "all phone numbers involved are accounted for", however I remember listening to a podcast (Steven Koecher: A Personal Tale - Unfound) and the host met his parents and help do some investigating in person. Somehow he got access to all phone numbers that called Steven. However, one of the ones on the list was shown differently (I don't think he got into the details) but he stated it was almost certainly because it was from a burner phone. the number called Steven sometime in the evening Saturday, the day before he was caught on surveillance video

Podcast is also here

 

[fridaybaker]

New here. I read the last 12 pages or so of this, also fascinated by this case. I noticed though, that there are several mentions something to the effect of "all phone numbers involved are accounted for", however I remember listening to a podcast (Steven Koecher: A Personal Tale - Unfound) and the host met his parents and help do some investigating in person. Somehow he got access to all phone numbers that called Steven. However, one of the ones on the list was shown differently (I don't think he got into the details) but he stated it was almost certainly because it was from a burner phone. the number called Steven sometime in the evening Saturday, the day before he was caught on surveillance video

Podcast is also here

Wow -thanks for attaching the podcast. I hadn't seen it before. I agree with his theory 100%. However, I think he referenced the landlord being "in jail for a long time", but I believe that's incorrect. If I recall correctly, the case was dismissed (at least the one centered around the stolen Porsche) due to the police using improper procedure. However, jail time or not, it's pretty obvious that he stole a vehicle, and was dealing drugs, prescription and, likely, non-prescription.

I was a little disappointed that he pointed out the coincidence with the friend being at virtually the same spot as Steven, but then didn't develop that at all. The phone ping near the jail, at a time when they typically release prisoners though, is interesting to say the least!

So many of us here have had thoughts along these lines, of Steven being lured to Anthem, and landlord involvement, but I think how this man (Fasteddy -don't know his real name) characterized the past rent due and that Steven had made arrangements, or whatever the verbiage was, to make up the back rent is great. It's sort of obvious: Steven WASN'T (really) behind on rent. He was just working for it. The landlord quickly realized that Steven was having a difficult time paying rent, and gave him a way to pay it. Work for me -free rent.

I know, nothing new. I guess I'm just thinking and mumbling aloud...

 

[kharismatic1]

I actually drove through the neighborhood Steven was last seen in a few weeks ago. I honestly doubt he left there on foot. There weren't bus routes or anything going through that party of town in 2009. I'm thinking he must have been meeting someone and they went to a second location. Maybe where he phone last pinged?

 

[fridaybaker]

I actually drove through the neighborhood Steven was last seen in a few weeks ago. I honestly doubt he left there on foot. There weren't bus routes or anything going through that party of town in 2009. I'm thinking he must have been meeting someone and they went to a second location. Maybe where he phone last pinged?

And sadly, was killed there.

 

[kharismatic1]

And sadly, was killed there.

I think that is likely sadly.

 

[Ignorant_Bystander]

Does anyone know Steven's work schedule that week? I noticed there was no mention of his boss from the window washing company calling him Monday or Tuesday to ask where he was, so I suspect it was part time. There's another theory on this podcast regarding his boss being involved as there was a business in the area Steven was walking that had something to do with cameras or related. The man that owned the business lived in St George, near Steven. The idea that Steven was returing a bogus camera lens for his boss (who also had a side business with cameras) seems ridiculous, but these coincidences apparently exist

It wouldn't explain why Steven parked where he did, instead of at the business either, and why he did all that driving a few days before

Theres a message here on facebook from 4 years ago that also goes along with this theory. " I have found ties to someone in his circle that may have been selling illegal optical lens filters for digital cameras. I believe that this person had ties to the owner of a company in Henderson NV that was located less than a 10 minute walk from where Steven's vehicle was located....." unless that message is from the podcast host

 

[Ignorant_Bystander]

yeah.nevermind. It's already been looked into around 2016 on this thread

"A blogger on another site (I want to reference his name but I'm not sure if he'd want me to here or if it's proper) did some business entity research and found exactly the type of business Steven would have been bringing a brown accordion portfolio file to) and got the name of a 33 year old man who's parents own a home in the retirement community. I did some follow-up research and found he apparently lived and ran his business from his parents house from around 2005 until after 2009. He was breaking CCR's by living and working there. His very wealthy family owns a national company. The company has a branch in Henderson Nevada and another office in Sacramento but he and his father don't appear to have the power to offer employment.

This is man lived in Utah, specifically, Kanab and St. George (same town as Steven). I think we've got something to turn over but I've never done this before. My partner is referring our info to the police. I'm contacting the Vegas detective. It looks like the man lured Steven there to get what was in the portfolio. He probably made promises he knew he couldn't keep. That man's father lived there too. I'll bet his dad had an activity that took him out of the home that Sunday at noon and this whole event may have been planned. So sad."

 

[Evilxelvis138]

yeah.nevermind. It's already been looked into around 2016 on this thread

"A blogger on another site (I want to reference his name but I'm not sure if he'd want me to here or if it's proper) did some business entity research and found exactly the type of business Steven would have been bringing a brown accordion portfolio file to) and got the name of a 33 year old man who's parents own a home in the retirement community. I did some follow-up research and found he apparently lived and ran his business from his parents house from around 2005 until after 2009. He was breaking CCR's by living and working there. His very wealthy family owns a national company. The company has a branch in Henderson Nevada and another office in Sacramento but he and his father don't appear to have the power to offer employment.

This is man lived in Utah, specifically, Kanab and St. George (same town as Steven). I think we've got something to turn over but I've never done this before. My partner is referring our info to the police. I'm contacting the Vegas detective. It looks like the man lured Steven there to get what was in the portfolio. He probably made promises he knew he couldn't keep. That man's father lived there too. I'll bet his dad had an activity that took him out of the home that Sunday at noon and this whole event may have been planned. So sad."

I remember reading about the camera lense angle, and I don’t remember if I read this on websleuths or Reddit, but Steven’s FB has some photographs he took and some pictures he took that may have been from a Las Vegas hotel room from a previous trip (specifically a picture of some building that was being demoed)

 

[fridaybaker]

Does anyone know Steven's work schedule that week? I noticed there was no mention of his boss from the window washing company calling him Monday or Tuesday to ask where he was, so I suspect it was part time. There's another theory on this podcast regarding his boss being involved as there was a business in the area Steven was walking that had something to do with cameras or related. The man that owned the business lived in St George, near Steven. The idea that Steven was returing a bogus camera lens for his boss (who also had a side business with cameras) seems ridiculous, but these coincidences apparently exist

It wouldn't explain why Steven parked where he did, instead of at the business either, and why he did all that driving a few days before

Theres a message here on facebook from 4 years ago that also goes along with this theory. " I have found ties to someone in his circle that may have been selling illegal optical lens filters for digital cameras. I believe that this person had ties to the owner of a company in Henderson NV that was located less than a 10 minute walk from where Steven's vehicle was located....." unless that message is from the podcast host

I don't remember anything about this. What are the optical lens filters about? Why are they illegal?

 

[Moonbeam456]

I don't remember anything about this. What are the optical lens filters about? Why are they illegal?

I heard this mentioned by someone on the Facebook page for Steven a while back, the guy claimed to have an investigative background and said he had been looking into Steven’s case.

 

[Ignorant_Bystander]

Another theory that's entirely possible involves criminal Jason Shane Blevins, who was mentioned before on a blog. ( and this forum). Someone (anonymous) had a mom who had a house in the area Steven was last seen. She was out of town and the anonymous poster stayed there for a while. He met Jason and a girl at the casino and let them stay at his moms place for a couple weeks. They (Jason and the girl) kept saying "it's too bad our good friend Steven Kosher (pronounced like that) is nowhere to be found, he helped us out" or something like that. (obviously they weren't friends, he was being sarcastic). The anonymous poster didn't know the story about Steven until later, and after Jason and the girl left

There's an unknown body found in Forth Worth texas in 2012 which face has some similarities, but the clothing does not quite match what he was wearing
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/9745/Images/4626/Original

From researching it's indicated Jason has lived in Texas (though he lived in other areas too, including Nevada). It's a far stretch that he killed Steven and took his body all the way to Texas, but who knows and it's still a mystery

 

[Ignorant_Bystander]

I looked at a google map of the area around Evening Lights Street in Henderson. There's only entrance/exit to that subdivision. Entrance/exit are at Laurel Heights Lane and Anthem Parkway. Of course the chance of any video footage now is hopeless, assuming there was some to begin with. Assuming Steven was still alive when he left the area, whatever car he was in would have been caught on camera (assuming there was a camera at the entrance/exit)..that should have been looked into, I assume the police would have done so by now though

imgur.com

^I did a screen of the entrance/exit. Anyone know what the white barrel shaped thing is on the left? has a small hole which could be a camera