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Please bear with me as this is my first time starting a thread, so I hope I'm doing it right! This is information I have been wanting to share for some months now. I'd also like to add a disclaimer that if anyone would like to use my research for a podcast, documentary, or any other kind of media, I'd be very happy for this information to be brought to a wider audience, but please contact me before doing so. Now for the real post:
I believe many of us here are aware of a sex worker review site called Utopia Guide, but I'm unsure if many are aware of another sex worker review site called USASexGuide. USASexGuide has been around for at least the past two decades-- their archives go back to 2000, but I believe there was an earlier incarnation of the site which can no longer be accessed. The site breaks down into sections for each state, subsections for each city, and then subsections for different types of sex workers such as street walkers, escorts, strip clubs, etc. I have scoured thousands of pages of reviews over the past couple of months in hopes of finding clues: any reviews of sex workers matching the description of LISK victims, any photos of LISK victims, and any frequent posters I personally found suspicious. In doing so, I have gotten a rather deep glimpse into the psychological anatomy of a john, as well as a potential lead regarding Jessica Taylor. I'd like to share my findings with you all, as I believe this can help us all understand what drives these men, how they perceive sex workers, and how they behave with them. My focus here is on girls who work the streets as I found those posts to be the most revealing.
Something that has been discussed in the street walker section for Long Island is how they make these girls comfortable. One poster wrote the following:
"Then I saw a WSW [white street walker] in black on black. She gave me a wave and after looping around a bit, I managed to scoop her up on a back road. Said her name was [redacted]. She was a little scared at first, but relaxed after I told her how many local girls I knew."
Mentioning the names of many other "local girls" is a great way to put someone at ease-- victim or not. Please bear in mind I do not mean to insinuate that any of the posters I'm quoting are LISK. This post is purely for context purposes.
One of the most disturbing things my research has uncovered is the ways in which the johns talk about not the girls but themselves as well. Here are some examples:
"She is not a pro, just a loose headed girl in need of some cash. In order for me to keep her low I will need some assistance from some of you guys that are truly hobbiest [sic]. I will offer her something like two or three guys a week so she will be private stock. Fresh meat."
"I had even made contact with [redacted]'s agent and he wanted me to sample two of his products."
You will see the johns very frequently refer to themselves as "hobbyists" and "mongers". This is a way of rationalizing and normalizing their behavior. Perhaps at the beginning this is a way to psychologically comfort themselves into thinking there isn't anything wrong with their behavior, but I suspect as time goes on and they become more entrenched in the "hobby", they start to truly believe it is a hobby. Referring to the girls as "stock" reveals how they see them as a commodity, an item, a thing. A product, fresh meat, ready for consumption. This is just how they talk about them online, and if they're talked about in such a degrading way on a public forum, you can only imagine how they're treated, even by the johns who don't kill them. Many men pick up girls they know are deep into addiction (and physically show it) because they know they'll do almost anything for a low price. But I digress.
"I have been studying the area for weeks now and believe me I know what I am talking about. There are many amateurs around who are very cautious covering themselves. But with time and effort you can distinguish becuz [sic] they always leave you with a clue which you need to stiff it out. We are the hunters, aren't we?"
This tells you a lot about these people. They enjoy the hunt, as they call it. While I have no direct quotes, I have seen numerous johns describe enjoying the hunt as much as they enjoy the sex. It's something they spend a lot of time doing and perfecting over the years. Remember, these guys don't just go out and pick up the first girl they see. They find one to their liking, and that takes time and effort. If you consider Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack LISK victims, this is something he undoubtedly spent a lot of time doing. If you only consider the GB4 LISK victims, it's a similar concept, but via a computer screen. Here are two more examples of johns referring to hunting and describing hunting:
"I will adjust my hunting hours."
"Anytime I got to 28 and Park there's always a man driving a pick up truck that says Metro Auto Body. He just sits there at nighttime and watches the SWs and drives around the whole hoe stroll."
Now that I've delved into all that, I'd like to spend a bit of time discussing a potential connection I found to Jessica Taylor, her pimp Remy, and an unidentified street walker I found a photo of on USASexGuide. I considered just posting this in her thread, but decided to just do it here as it's inherently intertwined with USASexGuide.
As most of us know, Jessica had a tattoo that said "Remy". Remy's real name is Khalil White. He can be seen in the photo below, presumably with his other girls. The girl to his right (our left) is believed to be Jessica Taylor:
What I like to do for all the victims is go to which subsection they are most likely to be discussed in, then go through the posts from around the time period they disappeared. While this thus far hasn't yielded any leads on the GB4 or Valerie Mack, there was one post from 2003 in the street walker subsection of the Manhattan section that immediately caught my eye:
Cropped for obvious reasons. This could just be a coincidence, but I could not ignore the fact that her tattoo bears the pseudonym of a pimp who was active in NYC in 2003. Furthermore, I wanted you all to weigh in on whether or not you think she resembles this girl in a photo of just her, Jessica, and KW/Remy:
Cropped, again, for obvious reasons. I think the girl in the photo with Jessica and Remy is a bit too dark to be the girl in the USASexGuide photos, but the former photo is quite underexposed and the latter is potentially overexposed due to the flash. It's possible the other girl with the Remy tattoo has no connection to Khalil White of course, and it's also possible she is one of his girls who is in none of the photos with him. I'd also like it if you all could weigh in regarding whether or not either of the two women resemble any of the girls in the group photo.
This research took me a very long time to do, so I hope it helps people understand the way a john's mind works, how they view sex workers (particularly street walkers), and how they view themselves and their "hobby".
I believe many of us here are aware of a sex worker review site called Utopia Guide, but I'm unsure if many are aware of another sex worker review site called USASexGuide. USASexGuide has been around for at least the past two decades-- their archives go back to 2000, but I believe there was an earlier incarnation of the site which can no longer be accessed. The site breaks down into sections for each state, subsections for each city, and then subsections for different types of sex workers such as street walkers, escorts, strip clubs, etc. I have scoured thousands of pages of reviews over the past couple of months in hopes of finding clues: any reviews of sex workers matching the description of LISK victims, any photos of LISK victims, and any frequent posters I personally found suspicious. In doing so, I have gotten a rather deep glimpse into the psychological anatomy of a john, as well as a potential lead regarding Jessica Taylor. I'd like to share my findings with you all, as I believe this can help us all understand what drives these men, how they perceive sex workers, and how they behave with them. My focus here is on girls who work the streets as I found those posts to be the most revealing.
Something that has been discussed in the street walker section for Long Island is how they make these girls comfortable. One poster wrote the following:
"Then I saw a WSW [white street walker] in black on black. She gave me a wave and after looping around a bit, I managed to scoop her up on a back road. Said her name was [redacted]. She was a little scared at first, but relaxed after I told her how many local girls I knew."
Mentioning the names of many other "local girls" is a great way to put someone at ease-- victim or not. Please bear in mind I do not mean to insinuate that any of the posters I'm quoting are LISK. This post is purely for context purposes.
One of the most disturbing things my research has uncovered is the ways in which the johns talk about not the girls but themselves as well. Here are some examples:
"She is not a pro, just a loose headed girl in need of some cash. In order for me to keep her low I will need some assistance from some of you guys that are truly hobbiest [sic]. I will offer her something like two or three guys a week so she will be private stock. Fresh meat."
"I had even made contact with [redacted]'s agent and he wanted me to sample two of his products."
You will see the johns very frequently refer to themselves as "hobbyists" and "mongers". This is a way of rationalizing and normalizing their behavior. Perhaps at the beginning this is a way to psychologically comfort themselves into thinking there isn't anything wrong with their behavior, but I suspect as time goes on and they become more entrenched in the "hobby", they start to truly believe it is a hobby. Referring to the girls as "stock" reveals how they see them as a commodity, an item, a thing. A product, fresh meat, ready for consumption. This is just how they talk about them online, and if they're talked about in such a degrading way on a public forum, you can only imagine how they're treated, even by the johns who don't kill them. Many men pick up girls they know are deep into addiction (and physically show it) because they know they'll do almost anything for a low price. But I digress.
"I have been studying the area for weeks now and believe me I know what I am talking about. There are many amateurs around who are very cautious covering themselves. But with time and effort you can distinguish becuz [sic] they always leave you with a clue which you need to stiff it out. We are the hunters, aren't we?"
This tells you a lot about these people. They enjoy the hunt, as they call it. While I have no direct quotes, I have seen numerous johns describe enjoying the hunt as much as they enjoy the sex. It's something they spend a lot of time doing and perfecting over the years. Remember, these guys don't just go out and pick up the first girl they see. They find one to their liking, and that takes time and effort. If you consider Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack LISK victims, this is something he undoubtedly spent a lot of time doing. If you only consider the GB4 LISK victims, it's a similar concept, but via a computer screen. Here are two more examples of johns referring to hunting and describing hunting:
"I will adjust my hunting hours."
"Anytime I got to 28 and Park there's always a man driving a pick up truck that says Metro Auto Body. He just sits there at nighttime and watches the SWs and drives around the whole hoe stroll."
Now that I've delved into all that, I'd like to spend a bit of time discussing a potential connection I found to Jessica Taylor, her pimp Remy, and an unidentified street walker I found a photo of on USASexGuide. I considered just posting this in her thread, but decided to just do it here as it's inherently intertwined with USASexGuide.
As most of us know, Jessica had a tattoo that said "Remy". Remy's real name is Khalil White. He can be seen in the photo below, presumably with his other girls. The girl to his right (our left) is believed to be Jessica Taylor:
What I like to do for all the victims is go to which subsection they are most likely to be discussed in, then go through the posts from around the time period they disappeared. While this thus far hasn't yielded any leads on the GB4 or Valerie Mack, there was one post from 2003 in the street walker subsection of the Manhattan section that immediately caught my eye:
Cropped for obvious reasons. This could just be a coincidence, but I could not ignore the fact that her tattoo bears the pseudonym of a pimp who was active in NYC in 2003. Furthermore, I wanted you all to weigh in on whether or not you think she resembles this girl in a photo of just her, Jessica, and KW/Remy:
Cropped, again, for obvious reasons. I think the girl in the photo with Jessica and Remy is a bit too dark to be the girl in the USASexGuide photos, but the former photo is quite underexposed and the latter is potentially overexposed due to the flash. It's possible the other girl with the Remy tattoo has no connection to Khalil White of course, and it's also possible she is one of his girls who is in none of the photos with him. I'd also like it if you all could weigh in regarding whether or not either of the two women resemble any of the girls in the group photo.
This research took me a very long time to do, so I hope it helps people understand the way a john's mind works, how they view sex workers (particularly street walkers), and how they view themselves and their "hobby".
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