Still Missing CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #3

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Rachelj1 said:
Can someone help me understand this please ?? LOL
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I'm sorry. Here at WS we are not allowed to discuss what has not been reported on by mainstream media (MSM). So, up until Perla Shaheen of kget asked the Chief about the rumors and he answered, we could not discuss here. Example: "boys buried under the house" was a rumor Chief Walker addressed. The home is built on a slab.
If the boys had been buried under it, someone would have had to jackhammer concrete. Unless someone was an expert in construction or camoflauge it would be apparent.

She addressed a lot of things in that great interview.
 
Hi. Ive been reading the website for a while but just signed up to comment. -- Please forgive me if this is long or if this has been discussed, or if I'm missing info!
-But it bothers me how the APs could kill both boys.. are there a lot of twin cases out there where both are killed?
- What if APs gave kids back to bio mom, and couldn't say anything for fear of losing custody of the rest of their kids?
- APs report boys missing to throw off family and if no evidence can be concluded, APs get off, case goes cold and Bio mom moves and starts a new life. Twins are young, won't remember so noone would be the wiser. APs could've also threatened their other kids by telling them they would be taken away if they told
*I know it's s long shot theory, but it still is bothering me that they would kill both twins, bc one is usually more behaved.
 
Cloax said:
- What if APs gave kids back to bio mom, and couldn't say anything for fear of losing custody of the rest of their kids?
- APs report boys missing to throw off family and if no evidence can be concluded, APs get off, case goes cold and Bio mom moves and starts a new life. Twins are young, won't remember so noone would be the wiser. APs could've also threatened their other kids by telling them they would be taken away if they told
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Bio mom was seen in California City, interviewed by media and asking very loud where are her boys. So I don't think O&O were returned to her.

*I know it's s long shot theory, but it still is bothering me that they would kill both twins, bc one is usually more behaved.
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Orson and Orrin are not twins, there is a year of difference between them.
 
A person is either a child abuser and a murderer or they are not. It has zero to do with the behavior of the person they kill.
It is extremely rare that a child abuser or a murderer will take responsibility for what they’ve done. They always have an excuse to explain why what they did was caused by someone else, usually the victim. MOO
 
Hexe said:
Bio mom was seen in California City, interviewed by media and asking very loud where are her boys. So I don't think O&O were returned to her.

Orson and Orrin are not twins, there is a year of difference between them.
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I do remember seeing Bio mom very upset, which has given me thought. But it is weird that AD said "they were going to be rambunctious", and it made me think of that phrase as maybe an unconscious way of inferring a reason as to why they could possibly have given the children up to another family

Also, I don't know why I kept thinking twins. It's just the pictures look like they are twins. Thank you for clearing that up
 
I would love to believe those boys were given away and is in a safe place but I highly doubt it. I feel selling kids rarely happens.
It would take a lot of people to keep that secret, especially if you are being blamed. Unless they were given away for nefarious reasons.


These boys were done dirty, and not just by whoever is responsible for their dissaperance. After the investigation of them missing is completed. There needs to be a larger investigation.

I am still going to hope they are alive but it's hard to do so.
 
I see this in every missing child thread, I have also been guilty of this myself. When a child is dead or missing and there is public or LE suspicion that the guardian is involved we tend to bring up the term accident and panic


I don't believe it, loving parents do not cover up the death of their child to the extent of discarding their bodies. Nope. What accident can lead to the death of the child that would require a cover up?
You left your drugs around? Well call 911 maybe they can still be saved. You should have common sense to not have harmful drugs around so clearly you are not equipped.
You lost your temper and hit them, well its probably not the first time, and it would require some force, so your intent was to hurt them.

Left in the car, well many parents have gotten off and quite frankly I dont believe half.of them...

All Moo
 
Cloax said:
Hi. Ive been reading the website for a while but just signed up to comment. -- Please forgive me if this is long or if this has been discussed, or if I'm missing info!
-But it bothers me how the APs could kill both boys.. are there a lot of twin cases out there where both are killed?
- What if APs gave kids back to bio mom, and couldn't say anything for fear of losing custody of the rest of their kids?
- APs report boys missing to throw off family and if no evidence can be concluded, APs get off, case goes cold and Bio mom moves and starts a new life. Twins are young, won't remember so noone would be the wiser. APs could've also threatened their other kids by telling them they would be taken away if they told
*I know it's s long shot theory, but it still is bothering me that they would kill both twins, bc one is usually more behaved.
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Welcome to WS Cloax, great questions!

Google tells me there are Filicide cases where a parent has killed two children - the Daybell/Vallow case comes to mind. Donny Jackson killed his two sons in Kansas. More heartbreaking stories if you care to research.

If TW & JW gave the kids back to the bio-mom or someone else, I really feel they would have disclosed that by now. The legal and social consequences of that scenario are going to be less than those of murder and God knows what else when the truth comes out. Think Lori Vallow- she kept telling people Tylee & JJ were alive, she was just protecting them by keeping them hidden. Her problem was she couldn't produce live children at any point, even after she was arrested.

The other kids have likely been interviewed by a forensic specialist. Hopefully they have given information which has been helpful to LE. I remember the interviews with sweet little Charlie Powell. He was only four, the bio kids are older so that gives me hope.

I strongly feel this may turn out to be a case of punishment, neglect & abuse that resulted in death. The reason for the move was to put space and time between what ultimately happened to the boys. The timing for reporting them missing likely had something to do with family. You can only create so many excuses before people become suspicious. The blog announcements by the extended family are very telling. All just MOO~
 
TGIRecovered said:
A person is either a child abuser and a murderer or they are not. It has zero to do with the behavior of the person they kill.
It is extremely rare that a child abuser or a murderer will take responsibility for what they’ve done. They always have an excuse to explain why what they did was caused by someone else, usually the victim. MOO
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You do not believe that someone can snap?
 
Inquisitive2018 said:
I see this in every missing child thread, I have also been guilty of this myself. When a child is dead or missing and there is public or LE suspicion that the guardian is involved we tend to bring up the term accident and panic


I don't believe it, loving parents do not cover up the death of their child to the extent of discarding their bodies. Nope. What accident can lead to the death of the child that would require a cover up?
You left your drugs around? Well call 911 maybe they can still be saved. You should have common sense to not have harmful drugs around so clearly you are not equipped.
You lost your temper and hit them, well its probably not the first time, and it would require some force, so your intent was to hurt them.

Left in the car, well many parents have gotten off and quite frankly I dont believe half.of them...

All Moo
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Some do actually, sadly. Casey Anthony for one. Caylee was dumped literally like trash after “supposedly” she drowned in the pool. NOT.

I’ve been following this from the beginning but haven’t been posting because you are all so awesome you say what I think before I can post.

Here’s the thing I can’t wrap my head around. While, I, too, don’t buy into the accident/panic scenario in these cases, whatever happened I cannot fathom what happened that caused BOTH boys to be disappeared! They’re so young even if one was “gone” the other most likely wouldn’t be much of a witness, so what on God’s green earth could go so badly BOTH boys were taken out of the picture?

I can only think of accidental ingesting of something that harmed them (drugs, household chemicals?). It takes a special evil to kill TWO babies. I hate typing that more than words can say.

MOO IMO
 
Limecat said:
Some do actually, sadly. Casey Anthony for one. Caylee was dumped literally like trash after “supposedly” she drowned in the pool. NOT.

I’ve been following this from the beginning but haven’t been posting because you are all so awesome you say what I think before I can post.

Here’s the thing I can’t wrap my head around. While, I, too, don’t buy into the accident/panic scenario in these cases, whatever happened I cannot fathom what happened that caused BOTH boys to be disappeared! They’re so young even if one was “gone” the other most likely wouldn’t be much of a witness, so what on God’s green earth could go so badly BOTH boys were taken out of the picture?

I can only think of accidental ingesting of something that harmed them (drugs, household chemicals?). It takes a special evil to kill TWO babies. I hate typing that more than words can say.

MOO IMO
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Yes most of us will not be able to wrap our head around it. Which is good because this should never be normal.

In terms of accident, why would only these two be exposed to chemicals or drugs..its a pandemic so everyone is home. Where the other kids. Moo.

On a lighter note, when my aunt first adopted her son. She had safety gadgets on everything possible.
One day I tried getting a knife and couldn't open the drawer. He got on a stool and calmly showed me how it's done.
 
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