GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, found deceased, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #26

[Skigh]

How about snowdrops instead? This is their time. Tulips will fail unless carefully tended, but snowdrops will come back every year and multiply without much attention. A cousin of mine planted snowdrops on a bank nearly 30 years ago in memory of her parents, and they have spread and flowered every year since.

Snowdrops are an excellent idea. A bank of snow drops flowering every year for Libby would be so lovely.

 

[Newthoughts]

When he took the case, he would also have known that it would be v high profile. Beautiful young girl, the circumstances, the other offences etc. What he cant have known is as Skigh said, how many times PR would change his story and even that he would take the stand.

PR was very lucky in that both his defence team - Oliver Saxby and Dale Brook -seem to specialise in sexual offences. I wonder if the DNA evidence had been available when they first took the case? Dale Brook defended him first time round.

 

[Cherwell]

Sorry @Cherwell I made a mess of posting and it ended up in the middle of your post. Cold fingers and tiny screen

No worries

If you can, buy your snowdrops "in the green". Get them when they have finished flowering, divide the clumps and replant them. They are much more successful this way than planting bulbs in the autumn, which are not so reliable. And pick a spot where they will get some shade as they don't do so well in full sun.

 

[Skigh]

No worries

If you can, buy your snowdrops "in the green". Get them when they have finished flowering, divide the clumps and replant them. They are much more successful this way than planting bulbs in the autumn, which are not so reliable. And pick a spot where they will get some shade as they don't do so well in full sun.

If a message was put on a local Hull fb page I am sure people who have them growing in their garden would be happy to donate a clump to plant for Libby.

 

[Cherwell]

If a message was put on a local Hull fb page I am sure people who have them growing in their garden would be happy to donate a clump to plant for Libby.

Great idea!

Yes, I like that idea and the more they spread it's as if she is reclaiming something. Replacing the ugliness with beauty. I'll go for that.

 

[Ktboo]

Would that be likely to include agreeing to treatment for his 'problem'? I saw this article recently on the debate around the use of 'chemical castration' for sex offenders, but I don't know how common such programmes are:
UK: chemical castration of sex offenders re-examined

No, prisoners are not chemically castrated. They are offered behavioural programmes and on some occasions are recommended medications which limit sexual urges

 

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[Newthoughts]

No worries

If you can, buy your snowdrops "in the green". Get them when they have finished flowering, divide the clumps and replant them. They are much more successful this way than planting bulbs in the autumn, which are not so reliable. And pick a spot where they will get some shade as they don't do so well in full sun.

If a message was put on a local Hull fb page I am sure people who have them growing in their garden would be happy to donate a clump to plant for Libby.

That's a beautiful idea. They're starting to flower all around here in the Midlands.

 

[Skigh]

Everyone's talking about thr RNLI, and indeed they do a wonderful job, but credit where credit is due - it was the sharp eyes of a fisherman that spotted Libby in the nick of time, and he and the rest of the fishing boat crew who made sure she could be retrieved.

I fully appreciate that the fisherman was first to see Libby and if he had not it would have been highly likely she would not have been recovered and I am sure he has been properly thanked .
People are not able to donate to a random fisherman where as they can to the RNLI who took part in the rescue and treated Libby with great dignity. They are volunteers who go out in all weather ,day or night.
Perhaps an idea might be to raise enough money for a new life boat to be named in memory of Libby.

 

[Zazie]

I always find that disturbing, like those women think they can fix those types of men or want some kind of celebrity. This book's a blast if you're interested. Women Who Love Men Who Kill, Sheila Isenberg

Thanks for the recommend @tedtink. Apologies in advance if this is too off topic, but I heard a discussion about this phenomenon in episode 1 of 'Bad People' (a crime podcast by criminal psychologist Julia Shaw and the comedian Sofie Hagen) which argued these women are paradoxically very much in control, as what relationship could be safer than one with a man who is in prison? A recent bizarre example is the Russian artist who married Kim Wall's killer, Peter Madsen, possibly as performance art or to troll the Danish public ("My husband is the one of two victims of his crime" and so forth.) Peter Madsen: Russian artist marries Danish submarine killer

 

[Sally4x]

So it’s the day after PR was sentenced. It wasn’t long enough in my eyes, but he is in jail for a very long time. It was an emotional couple of days after a very long week waiting for the jury to come back with a verdict. I joined this site because of Libby like so many of you did. I had lurked for a while since the Mollie Tibetts case, but something about Libby going missing got to me and made me join. I think it was because similar to Lisa I’m a mum of four and one of my daughters is a month younger than Libby. In fact it was my daughter that originally told me about Libby going missing. My daughter would regularly go home in a taxi very drunk alone after a night out and Libby going missing in similar circumstances scared her and ever since then she has stopped doing it. I also had links to Hull with my mum and family coming from there. And finally I am someone with a past history of self harm and mental health issues who was able to move on from those dark times.

It’s been a long two years waiting to get to this point and throughout it all Libby has never been far from my thoughts and also how her family and especially her mum must have been feeling. I have followed many many cases on here since joining, but Libby has affected me more than any other and I will never forget her.

At this time I want to thank all of you on here for going through the last two years with me and I have valued all the work that you have all put into the case, from maps, to photos, to videos, to explaining the law, to discussing ideas, to taking flowers to the bench and mostly to remembering at the end of it a young woman with her whole life ahead of her went missing and all we collectively wanted was to get her found and returned to her family. Sadly the outcome wasn’t one we all had hoped for in the early days, but I’m glad at least she was found before she ended up forever in the North Sea. My own daughter now has a job and has just bought her first house and car. Libby will never be able to do those things. That makes me sad and my thoughts are with the Squire family as they try and move forward.

I will miss you guys and I hope to see some of you on other cases in the future.

 

[mrazda71]

Miggs from “Silence of the Lambs” springs to mind after reading this.
In fact IIRC there’s an inmate at Wakefield who is kept in a glass cell in the basement there.

This is one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever read.

His treatment is inhumane

Britain's most dangerous prisoner is kept in glass box under Wakefield Prison

 

[Ktboo]

Do men's prisons in England have female staff members? For someone who was so highly sexed, how is he coping these days? I am wondering if it continues with female staff. I wonder how often he has been written up. If he still persues his past time while in prison I can't see him ever getting out. MOO

Yes, men’s prisons have female staff.

 

[Ktboo]

There is definitely women prison workers in male prisons. It's probably wise to have them to be honest, it defuses a of lot situations and some "only want to speak to females".... take that you as will....

For Cat A, (which I believe are life sentence / dangerous sexual offenders), which i'd imagine he would be in; those are normally segregated, but not sure if females work on/in those prisons

Females work in every category

 

[Dotta]

So it’s the day after PR was sentenced. It wasn’t long enough in my eyes, but he is in jail for a very long time. It was an emotional couple of days after a very long week waiting for the jury to come back with a verdict. I joined this site because of Libby like so many of you did. I had lurked for a while since the Mollie Tibetts case, but something about Libby going missing got to me and made me join. I think it was because similar to Lisa I’m a mum of four and one of my daughters is a month younger than Libby. In fact it was my daughter that originally told me about Libby going missing. My daughter would regularly go home in a taxi very drunk alone after a night out and Libby going missing in similar circumstances scared her and ever since then she has stopped doing it. I also had links to Hull with my mum and family coming from there. And finally I am someone with a past history of self harm and mental health issues who was able to move on from those dark times.

It’s been a long two years waiting to get to this point and throughout it all Libby has never been far from my thoughts and also how her family and especially her mum must have been feeling. I have followed many many cases on here since joining, but Libby has affected me more than any other and I will never forget her.

At this time I want to thank all of you on here for going through the last two years with me and I have valued all the work that you have all put into the case, from maps, to photos, to videos, to explaining the law, to discussing ideas, to taking flowers to the bench and mostly to remembering at the end of it a young woman with her whole life ahead of her went missing and all we collectively wanted was to get her found and returned to her family. Sadly the outcome wasn’t one we all had hoped for in the early days, but I’m glad at least she was found before she ended up forever in the North Sea. My own daughter now has a job and has just bought her first house and car. Libby will never be able to do those things. That makes me sad and my thoughts are with the Squire family as they try and move forward.

I will miss you guys and I hope to see some of you on other cases in the future.

Yes, I also want to thank you all for respectful and impassioned discussion. It was a privilege to meet you all. Now I want to follow another case that shook me deeply - the trial of infamous cop Derek Chauvin. It starts in March. So long dear posters and best of luck to all of you!

 

[Newthoughts]

So it’s the day after PR was sentenced. It wasn’t long enough in my eyes, but he is in jail for a very long time. It was an emotional couple of days after a very long week waiting for the jury to come back with a verdict. I joined this site because of Libby like so many of you did. I had lurked for a while since the Mollie Tibetts case, but something about Libby going missing got to me and made me join. I think it was because similar to Lisa I’m a mum of four and one of my daughters is a month younger than Libby. In fact it was my daughter that originally told me about Libby going missing. My daughter would regularly go home in a taxi very drunk alone after a night out and Libby going missing in similar circumstances scared her and ever since then she has stopped doing it. I also had links to Hull with my mum and family coming from there. And finally I am someone with a past history of self harm and mental health issues who was able to move on from those dark times.

It’s been a long two years waiting to get to this point and throughout it all Libby has never been far from my thoughts and also how her family and especially her mum must have been feeling. I have followed many many cases on here since joining, but Libby has affected me more than any other and I will never forget her.

At this time I want to thank all of you on here for going through the last two years with me and I have valued all the work that you have all put into the case, from maps, to photos, to videos, to explaining the law, to discussing ideas, to taking flowers to the bench and mostly to remembering at the end of it a young woman with her whole life ahead of her went missing and all we collectively wanted was to get her found and returned to her family. Sadly the outcome wasn’t one we all had hoped for in the early days, but I’m glad at least she was found before she ended up forever in the North Sea. My own daughter now has a job and has just bought her first house and car. Libby will never be able to do those things. That makes me sad and my thoughts are with the Squire family as they try and move forward.

I will miss you guys and I hope to see some of you on other cases in the future.

A moving post

I came here like many others because of Libby. I found the site in the early days because local people on here were still searching really hard and coming up with ideas of where she could be. Everyone still hoped she'd be found alive and unharmed somewhere at that point even as it became increasingly unlikely.

I've got girls who go home drunk in taxis. I've done it myself. It's everyone's right to be allowed to go out at night without fear of being raped or murdered or masturbated at or terrified.

I know what you mean about watching them all excited when they get their jobs and new homes and start their adult lives. I think of Libby's family.

I cannot even begin to imagine what Libby went thru that night, how scared she must have been. I cannot begin to imagine what her mum and other loved ones must feel. I don't know if they'll ever recover

I hope the law starts to recognise the serious nature of his earlier crimes - both in investigating them properly and sentencing them more stringently. There is a Polish community in Hull that I'm sure would have helped put him away long before this if only they'd been asked. Then got him onto a sex offenders register. Monitored.

I wonder what would have happened that night if the second woman he'd stalked on Newlands hadn't turned off before she got to him. I can't help thinking she'd have met a similar fate.

I will miss everyone at WS. It really is a brilliant site.

 

[Cherwell]

I fully appreciate that the fisherman was first to see Libby and if he had not it would have been highly likely she would not have been recovered and I am sure he has been properly thanked .
People are not able to donate to a random fisherman where as they can to the RNLI who took part in the rescue and treated Libby with great dignity. They are volunteers who go out in all weather ,day or night.

Indeed. My post was intended for accuracy, though, not financial concerns.

Perhaps an idea might be to raise enough money for a new life boat to be named in memory of Libby.

That might be a suitable memorial, if her family like the idea.

 

[Newthoughts]

Thanks so much to @jamjim for all your hard work. Thanks also @Niner for keeping track of everything.

 

[TreiseOg]

Grimsby Live ran an interesting piece today on the finding of Libby's body. It really brings home just how lucky it was that she wasn't lost to the sea forever. It also made me think about how traumatic this must have been for the lifeboat crews:

The spokesman for the RNLI at Cleethorpes said: "When someone becomes an operational volunteer for the RNLI, they make a commitment to carry out a wide range of difficult undertakings and disruption to their lives. The recovery of suspected human remains is not a part of that commitment. Everyone who joined the operation that day did so after agreeing to do so, understanding what would be involved.
"Situations such as this are thankfully rare; the RNLI continues to offer support to those involved and thanks them for their dedication. This was not a routine undertaking for the charity’s volunteers or staff, all of whom agreed to take part because of a desire to do what they could to assist the family and friends of the deceased in their time of loss."​

Grimsby boatmen helped make sure tragic Libby wasn't lost forever

I am a volunteer boat crew with the RNLI. I've been following this case for quite a while, and it has been lovely to log in today and read the comments re donations etc.

But I will say this - neither I nor any of the crew I work with, nor any of the various crews I've met and trained with, do what we do for recognition. I've been involved in so many searches for missing persons etc, and every time we respond, we do so because of a desire to save a life or bring a person home. Every single search becomes incredibly personal. I know those of you with links to the organisation, or with friends or family involved, will know that I mean it when I say we don't primarily do what we do for donations.

@Cherwell is absolutely right. The marine community as a whole pulls together when they need to.

I'm just so glad the crew were able to recover Libby and bring her home. But it doesn't take away a family's heartbreak, which is so hard to witness everytime in a situation like this. Her mother's statement was hard to read.

 

[TreiseOg]

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