OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #59

[Johnny B Bad]

@Johnny B Bad

I think Angela might be sick:

02/12/2021
DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO PERMIT TRAVEL FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES FILED (VIA FAX) Attorney: KRAPENC, ROBERT F

02/12/2021
ORDER -- UPON MOTION OF DEFENDANT, AND FOR GOOD CAUSE SHOWN, THE MOTION TO ALLOW TRAVEL FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES IS GRANTED COPIES FILED MAILED TO COUNSEL

Wow CC when was that posted

 

[Cool Cats]

Wow CC when was that posted

TODAY...!

Friday February 12th

 

[Cool Cats]

Wow CC when was that posted

Also, note that not only was the Motion filed today but the Court responded to the Motion today. Normally the Wagners' Motions do not get responded to that fast, which is why I think she could be sick. When your sick you can't wait around.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Also, note that not only was the Motion filed today but the Court responded to the Motion today. Normally the Wagners' Motions do not get responded to that fast, which is why I think she could be sick. When your sick you can't wait around.

She could have COVID-19? JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

She could have COVID-19? JMO

I am thinking it's NOT Covid. j/s.

 

[almond]

Reader did know the day of the murders who killed the victims and why. Lenny told him. Lenny told us all on day 1. He said it was over child custody. Assuming Dana and Chris were not fighting for custody of Chris Jr and we know they were not and Frankie was not fighting for custody of BR it could only be a custody battle over SW. There were no other kids under 18 except RR who was living with both parents and KW who's stated father from Hannah's FB was CG and CG didn't want anything to do with Hannah or the baby. Reader told us also. He said the killers were local. Dewine said on day 1 there was no further threat to the public. Reader, Lenny and Dewine all but told us on day 1. We just had to follow the clues they gave us. That's why the 24/7 security of the crime scenes. Then he moved them so they would be harder to get to. JMO

ETA: I don't have the link to Lenny's first interview but I am sure Betty or CC might.

Thanks, Raisin. I remember it well. I wonder why it tooks years to nail the Wagner's. They have tons of evidence on them, and they finally found that 'last piece' of evidence. I wonder what was happening in between. I'd love to know who the people were that they interviewed..things we'll never know.

 

[evelezrn]

If AW (or any prisoner) gets really sick, does the prison have to go to court and get a judge to grant a motion to travel just to get medical attention?

But if someone needs to see a specialist to get a diagnosis, it could be a long trip. For example, to see an oncologist to find out if they have cancer. Something like that...

 

[Betty P]

There seems to be some question over the Piketon Massacre podcast that is under discussion.

The podcast was approved before:



Perhaps the above post was not clear. In these one-off approvals, it is not intended to allow discussion of absolutely everything contained in the podcast. When we approve some of these podcasts because they contain interviews with major case players, we usually ask that members stick to discussing only what the interviewer asks and what the person being interviewed responds. All the other content may be the interviewer's opinion or rumor, neither of which WSers should rely on or discuss, even though it is in the podcast.

Too late to stuff the toothpaste back in the tube, but going forward please try to stick to discussing only the interviewer's questions to the case player and the case player's responses.

Sorry if my previous post was not specific enough and caused any confusion.

Is there any way to verify that the persons being interviewed are actually who they claim to be?

Should everything they say be taken at face value if they are not verified or known insiders who would have factual info from LE or the prosecution? Just a rhetorical question,not questioning the Mod.

Remember, the judge has placed a gag order on this case. Absolutely no one associated with the case or suspects is allowed to speak about it. Yet there are apparently rumors being spread via this "podcast" that no insider to the case would be allowed to discuss.

JMO, in light of the gag order issued by Judge Deering I have no intention of listening to or discussing anything revealed in that podcast. Its a long time before Jake's trial begins. The next time we're likely to learn any new factual information will be at his next motion hearing.

 

[Cool Cats]

If AW (or any prisoner) gets really sick, does the prison have to go to court and get a judge to grant a motion to travel just to get medical attention?

But if someone needs to see a specialist to get a diagnosis, it could be a long trip. For example, to see an oncologist to find out if they have cancer. Something like that...

Hi Ethel,

I'll throw in what I know about prisoners in jail or in prison.

If you are a Federal Inmate you are a Ward of the DOJ - Department of Justice.
If you are a State inmate then you are a Ward of the DOC - Department of Corrections.

As a State inmate if you need medical off-site then the DOC makes all the decisions and decides if you go or not, not the Court.

If your a Federal inmate then the DOJ decides if you can leave the prison for medical, not the Court.

If you have been found guilty and your serving your sentence in jail not in State prison, your Court Case is closed, and now the Sheriff is in charge of your off-site medical not the Court.

Angela is completely different, she hasn't been convicted of anything (I think we're sopose to consider her innocent until proven guilty) and her Court Case is still open and her Judge is still currently over-seeing her Case. So if Angela needs to leave jail (for any reason) the permission for this must go through the Court to be approved by her Judge.

Angela and her attorneys or jail staff etc... won't have to physically go to Court to get permission to go off-site for medical. The Motion for this can be done by fax.

Obviously the Judge is not waiting around 24/7 to sign off on Medical Motions.

I am not familiar with all the ins and outs of getting the Judge's permission, such as if it automatically goes into the Court system with automatic permission or if the Court Clerk can sign off on it or if it is just standard procedure to take inmates to off-site medical before the Motions are complete etc....

Angela might not be sick but needs an X-ray for a physical or lab work or a consult with a specialist, any number of things.

...2 Cents...

 

[Betty P]

Thanks, Raisin. I remember it well. I wonder why it tooks years to nail the Wagner's. They have tons of evidence on them, and they finally found that 'last piece' of evidence. I wonder what was happening in between. I'd love to know who the people were that they interviewed..things we'll never know.

Remember Readers quote about the Wagner's and "all the lies they told us".

Len Manley told Reader and the others who likely killed the Rhode s and Hannah Gilley and why.

Leonard's information was ignored and his son and daughter harassed and accused of the murders instead, as important information and evidence was ignored. A full year after the murders, the Manleys were still being harassed.

Why? Because the Wagner's were probably on the phone to LE as soon as the bodies were found, falsely accusing the victim's family members. LE was much more willing to believe those fine, upstanding , powerful citizens in the community over the Manleys, even though the Wagner's were plotting to kill the sheriff and prosecutors.

The Manleys, Geneva Chosen and all the surviving family members are far better people than those who murdered their loved ones. Far better than the defense attorneys who praise and defend the killers and the gossipy people who work hard to set the real killers free.

 

[evelezrn]

Hi Ethel,

I'll throw in what I know about prisoners in jail or in prison.

If you are a Federal Inmate you are a Ward of the DOJ - Department of Justice.
If you are a State inmate then you are a Ward of the DOC - Department of Corrections.

As a State inmate if you need medical off-site then the DOC makes all the decisions and decides if you go or not, not the Court.

If your a Federal inmate then the DOJ decides if you can leave the prison for medical, not the Court.

If you have been found guilty and your serving your sentence in jail not in State prison, your Court Case is closed, and now the Sheriff is in charge of your off-site medical not the Court.

Angela is completely different, she hasn't been convicted of anything (I think we're sopose to consider her innocent until proven guilty) and her Court Case is still open and her Judge is still currently over-seeing her Case. So if Angela needs to leave jail (for any reason) the permission for this must go through the Court to be approved by her Judge.

Angela and her attorneys or jail staff etc... won't have to physically go to Court to get permission to go off-site for medical. The Motion for this can be done by fax.

Obviously the Judge is not waiting around 24/7 to sign off on Medical Motions.

I am not familiar with all the ins and outs of getting the Judge's permission, such as if it automatically goes into the Court system with automatic permission or if the Court Clerk can sign off on it or if it is just standard procedure to take inmates to off-site medical before the Motions are complete etc....

Angela might not be sick but needs an X-ray for a physical or lab work or a consult with a specialist, any number of things.

...2 Cents...

Hi Lucy

Thanks for the info.

When I first saw the post about AW needing to travel for medical purposes, the first thought that popped up in my head was her escaping during the ride. At least that's what always happens in the movies.

 

[Dudly]

Reader did know the day of the murders who killed the victims and why. Lenny told him. Lenny told us all on day 1. He said it was over child custody. Assuming Dana and Chris were not fighting for custody of Chris Jr and we know they were not and Frankie was not fighting for custody of BR it could only be a custody battle over SW. There were no other kids under 18 except RR who was living with both parents and KW who's stated father from Hannah's FB was CG and CG didn't want anything to do with Hannah or the baby. Reader told us also. He said the killers were local. Dewine said on day 1 there was no further threat to the public. Reader, Lenny and Dewine all but told us on day 1. We just had to follow the clues they gave us. That's why the 24/7 security of the crime scenes. Then he moved them so they would be harder to get to. JMO

ETA: I don't have the link to Lenny's first interview but I am sure Betty or CC might.

I have always thought that Reader was ready to make arrests early on. He always seemed to be held back. It could be there was not sufficient evidence at the time even if BCI agreed with him. Looking back, knowing what we know now, LM was correct.
You had it right early on as to whom was guilty. I balked at the Ws being guilty because I couldn’t believe anyone would do something that drastic and inhumane for custody.

 

[Dudly]

Remember Readers quote about the Wagner's and "all the lies they told us".

Len Manley told Reader and the others who likely killed the Rhode s and Hannah Gilley and why.

Leonard's information was ignored and his son and daughter harassed and accused of the murders instead, as important information and evidence was ignored. A full year after the murders, the Manleys were still being harassed.

Why? Because the Wagner's were probably on the phone to LE as soon as the bodies were found, falsely accusing the victim's family members. LE was much more willing to believe those fine, upstanding , powerful citizens in the community over the Manleys, even though the Wagner's were plotting to kill the sheriff and prosecutors.

The Manleys, Geneva Chosen and all the surviving family members are far better people than those who murdered their loved ones. Far better than the defense attorneys who praise and defend the killers and the gossipy people who work hard to set the real killers free.

I am sure LE was flooded with misinformation as early as the day it happened. There was no logical reason to think BJM could have done it. There was no logical reason to think her brother was involved. Someone had to push LE to think they were. My opinions only...

 

[almond]

Remember Readers quote about the Wagner's and "all the lies they told us".

Len Manley told Reader and the others who likely killed the Rhode s and Hannah Gilley and why.

Leonard's information was ignored and his son and daughter harassed and accused of the murders instead, as important information and evidence was ignored. A full year after the murders, the Manleys were still being harassed.

Why? Because the Wagner's were probably on the phone to LE as soon as the bodies were found, falsely accusing the victim's family members. LE was much more willing to believe those fine, upstanding , powerful citizens in the community over the Manleys, even though the Wagner's were plotting to kill the sheriff and prosecutors.

The Manleys, Geneva Chosen and all the surviving family members are far better people than those who murdered their loved ones. Far better than the defense attorneys who praise and defend the killers and the gossipy people who work hard to set the real killers free.

BBM I totally agree. As for the Wag family being fine, upstanding, citizens... A simple internet search brings up their history of not so ethical doings. Regarding power, they may have that. They do seem to have some sort of relationship to a power figure in that area. IMO Perhaps that was a factor in Reader having to double down on proof of their guilt?
I'm eagerly awaiting the trials and convictions of the monsters who stalked and murdered an entire family.

 

[Betty P]

BBM I totally agree. As for the Wag family being fine, upstanding, citizens... A simple internet search brings up their history of not so ethical doings. Regarding power, they may have that. They do seem to have some sort of relationship to a power figure in that area. IMO Perhaps that was a factor in Reader having to double down on proof of their guilt?
I'm eagerly awaiting the trials and convictions of the monsters who stalked and murdered an entire family.

Agree, they had a few friends in high places, though I, too, won't venture to guess the identities. They spent more time than average interacting with the local court systems due to their real estate and other business operations, so they probably had beneficial friendships. they also had longstanding relationships with local attorneys who handled cases for them. In small towns, those relationships can provide protection of sorts.

 

[Betty P]

I have always thought that Reader was ready to make arrests early on. He always seemed to be held back. It could be there was not sufficient evidence at the time even if BCI agreed with him. Looking back, knowing what we know now, LM was correct.
You had it right early on as to whom was guilty. I balked at the Ws being guilty because I couldn’t believe anyone would do something that drastic and inhumane for custody.

I balked at it being locals at first because I couldn't believe that people in rural areas could pull off such a complex, difficult and brutal hit job. I didn't realize how many in rural areas are armed to the teeth and sometimes engage in paramilitary practice sessions, as a "hobby". These days its becoming more obvious how much of this dangerous activity is going on in rural areas with the paramilitary, white supremacy groups. Mix it in with meth use and paranoia and its a powder keg.

 

[almond]

Agree, they had a few friends in high places, though I, too, won't venture to guess the identities. They spent more time than average interacting with the local court systems due to their real estate and other business operations, so they probably had beneficial friendships. they also had longstanding relationships with local attorneys who handled cases for them. In small towns, those relationships can provide protection of sorts.

I know all too well how small town atty's, influential friends, can affect the outcomes for certain people. I'm from a small town and I see it all the time but I hate it, even if I can play the game I won't. Small town politics did probably play a part in this case. (After the last four years I want to bang my head off a wall at the mention of good ole boys. )

 

[almond]

I balked at it being locals at first because I couldn't believe that people in rural areas could pull off such a complex, difficult and brutal hit job. I didn't realize how many in rural areas are armed to the teeth and sometimes engage in paramilitary practice sessions, as a "hobby". These days its becoming more obvious how much of this dangerous activity is going on in rural areas with the paramilitary, white supremacy groups. Mix it in with meth use and paranoia and its a powder keg.

At first, and for quite awhile, I did believe it was someone local but I definitely didn't focus on the Wags. Then it became apparent that abuse was involved and that changed my mind about who. We see and hear about ex's stalking and killing their former victims, I lived it so...
Yes, I agree with Leonard, this was about custody and a sociopath's rage.

 

[Cool Cats]

Hi Lucy

Thanks for the info.

When I first saw the post about AW needing to travel for medical purposes, the first thought that popped up in my head was her escaping during the ride. At least that's what always happens in the movies.

Ha! Right, the movies.

Well I wouldn't be surprised if those 4 were watching "I Almost Got Away With It"
the TV show about jail and prison breaks because they were talking about breaking each other out of jail.

Apparently they use shows to get ideas and even to psych themselves up.

Canepa said at George's Bond hearing that they were watching movies that night and one was about 2 brothers who go out committing murders using silencers.

This is what the movie Boondock Saints is about and it is listed in the evidence.

We had speculated about what scenes in that movie might be used for trial and it sounds like Canepa is using the general theme of the movie - the bond of 2 brothers who are into guns, use silencers, and go out at night to murder many victims in multiple residences/places thinking they are on a mission and are justified.

I think when the Wagners were asked where they were that night and what they were doing they answered they were home watching movies. I guess this is the best they could do for an alibi. I think BCI asked them what movies they watched and they told them Boondock Saints because they are not the sharpest tools in the shed.

Look at all the many mistakes they made.

 

[Cool Cats]

Remember Readers quote about the Wagner's and "all the lies they told us".

Len Manley told Reader and the others who likely killed the Rhode s and Hannah Gilley and why.

Leonard's information was ignored and his son and daughter harassed and accused of the murders instead, as important information and evidence was ignored. A full year after the murders, the Manleys were still being harassed.

Why? Because the Wagner's were probably on the phone to LE as soon as the bodies were found, falsely accusing the victim's family members. LE was much more willing to believe those fine, upstanding , powerful citizens in the community over the Manleys, even though the Wagner's were plotting to kill the sheriff and prosecutors.

The Manleys, Geneva Chosen and all the surviving family members are far better people than those who murdered their loved ones. Far better than the defense attorneys who praise and defend the killers and the gossipy people who work hard to set the real killers free.

BBM
Not seeing it, the defense attorneys praising the 4 Wagners. Yes FW's attorney did in fact sing her praises by doing those videos at her house but I'm not seeing it with the Wagner 4.

I never heard George's attorney praise him including at his most recent Bond Hearing. At his preliminary Bond Hearing the only praise was that George has no court record or even a DMV ticket. (I think someone on here actually did find a DMV ticket for him). At one point George's attorney said George wants to be in solitary to read the Bible and do his own thing, fact, not praising him.

Angela's attorneys said in court that they told her to stop talking to her mother. Jake's attorney told him to quit worrying about a lady staring at him from the court gallery then told him "I'm out of here and so are you." Billy's attorneys said Billy wants more time with them in person and is frustrated by it.

I don't see any of this as praise. Plus there is a gag order, none of the attorneys can even talk about the Wagners in public.

As far as people "gossiping" actually helping the Wagner's defense, I have never seen anyone quoted in MSM or on news videos saying the Wagners are innocent and are Christians of faith except for FW. Almost 1 1/2 years before they were arrested their Ohio attorney and AK minister said some positive things about them to reporter Chris Graves from the Cincinnati Enquirer.

Yes there is always gossip on SM but no one has formed a Facebook page that says "Free The Wagners" or "The Wagners Are Innocent" etc...

...2 Cents...