Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert #2

[ListeningAndWatching]

I’m watching this glossed over version that they are airing right now, finding it only slightly less INaccurate than the streaming service version, and am so very sick of the distortions of truth/minimizations of blame/composite character creations for fictionalization (for purposes of big screen packaging). These were women who went through hell and never got justice, and with the sensationalization caused by each new LISK film the entertainment industry is increasingly turning the cases more and more like some made up episode of CSI instead of what it is really at its core, deeply disturbing sexual violence, organized financial abuse and exploitation, conspiracy, corruption and misogyny taken to its furthest level (murder) for which no one has been held accountable. The industry needs to stop all the BS.

As of February 20, 2021 any movie that comes out about the Gilbert story that does not include December 13, 2012, Burke's snuff films and the child *advertiser censored* and the Feds taking down the 3 sickest perverts in Suffolk County only has a non-realistic half baked version of events which is why I have said yes to my movie which is about un-covering the cover-up of Shannan's assassination.

Get ready folks, it will not only be original but will include secrets exposed. Im so done with the lying liars. Shannan's truth will
be revealed. I have no doubt people will suicide themselves. Pak told
me 2 separate nights he was going to kill himself. I was working with
the SDNY to prosecute him and Diaz for trafficking (exploiting)
Shannan. SDNY told me to have NYPD make wellness check on him
and I did.

Ray told Spota I had the Feds on Shannan's case and repeatedly asked me if we [SDNY] were going to prosecute Hackett (HINT HINT) and Spota shut down the SDNY. I have been on
Shannan's case 10 years, with both of her attorneys. Her first attorney was Robin Sax.
I am stoked.

 

[ListeningAndWatching]

This movie...
In what alternate reality/universe did Mari get to hear her daughter’s 9-1-1 call?
Of all things to fictionalize, they choose THAT.
Very, very disappointing, but can’t say I’m surprised in the least.

 

[Tusitala]

I could not finish watching this latest travesty, the inaccuracies and outright fabrications were so over the top. I am freshly outraged at the continuing injustice to which these women have been subjected, marginalized, ignored and forgotten.

 

[Tusitala]

This movie...
In what alternate reality/universe did Mari get to hear her daughter’s 9-1-1 call?
Of all things to fictionalize, they choose THAT.
Very, very disappointing, but can’t say I’m surprised in the least.

This scene sent me over the edge, complete and total LIE, blatant sensationalism, my blood was boiling. Shannan and her mother have been victimized beyond endurance.

 

[Blueeyedbrowngirl]

The money spent on that piece of revisionist history could’ve been used to produce an up to date documentary with a push for more evidence to be shared with the public. Deborah Norville publicized the film for two solid months before its release and she sure dropped the ball on this one.

 

[Fredd3039]

hadn't he been visited and given SG's mother's number from SG's boyfriend or something when they went out looking for her the next day or so? Wasn't that what prompted the call from Hackett to Mari (RIP)? Does anyone remember this?

Shannans mother stated that Hacket told her that Shannan gave him her mothers phone number as a next of kin type contact. Hacket said his troubled girls home required it. Interestingly enough when Shannan was in another home in the area she wanted to call 911 not speak to anyone about sheltering her.

 

[OnTheCase27]

Shannans mother stated that Hacket told her that Shannan gave him her mothers phone number as a next of kin type contact. Hacket said his troubled girls home required it. Interestingly enough when Shannan was in another home in the area she wanted to call 911 not speak to anyone about sheltering her.

I’ve never heard this. Do you have a source? I’ve only ever read that Hackett got her number from AD Shannon’s boyfriend.

 

[Fredd3039]

SERIAL KILLER: L.I.S.K. PODCAST on Crime Junkie, Iheart Radio
April 15, 2018 • 56 min
Shannons mother states that she received a call from Dr. Hacket and he asked her if Shannon made it home ok. The mother said she had no idea Shannon was missing until Hacket called her. If you watch "Long Island Serial Killer" on A&E Crime Central, Alex Diaz states, on camera, that he had not heard from Shannon in two days, and that is when he reached out to PaK and Shannans sister to find out what was going on. He was not there searching for her and telling Hacket to call her mother.

 

[Sallyla]

Fear and loathing in Las Vegas has lots of people losing it on drugs. Also a girl tripping on LSD being raped.

So that could be on to something...

 

[Fredd3039]

I heard somewhere that when Shannans body was found her skeleton was complete with the exception of the hyoid bone. The hyoid bone was missing. Can anyone point me to a credible source as to weather this is true?

 

[516witchdoctors]

Shannon's boyfriend Alex was never her pimp, Shannon used to working for an escort agency, and Alex worked as a driver for that agency, that was how they met, after this agency "World class party girls" was shut down by police, Shannon managed to found another agency "Fallen Angelz", and that was where she met Michael who worked for that agency as a driver. Alex, on the hand, quit and basically stayed home. Shannon found out she could only keep no more than half what she earned when working for an agency, other half was split between the agency and the driver. So she decided if she could go solo, she could keep more money for herself, she convinced Michael and they quit from "Fallen Angelz".
And again, no, don't believe these unfounded rumor, Brewer and Michael did NOT know each other, Shannon's last date was set up via craigslist. Neither Shannon nor Michael were familiar with long island, but this is a nice neighborhood, and this was a multiple hours date, that means good money

Some of your information is false. She worked under a bunch of shell corporations under the same umbrella. That’s how that escort industry worked to cover its tracks, it actually has a lot in common with the tri state security industry in that regard.
Shannon had been to Long Island on at least 10 other occasions that I can personally recall as well as information John Ray dug up. Was she ever at Oak Beach? That I don’t know.

 

[WINDSOR]

Some of your information is false. She worked under a bunch of shell corporations under the same umbrella. That’s how that escort industry worked to cover its tracks, it actually has a lot in common with the tri state security industry in that regard.
Shannon had been to Long Island on at least 10 other occasions that I can personally recall as well as information John Ray dug up. Was she ever at Oak Beach? That I don’t know.

Thanks

 

[WINDSOR]

516witchdoctor you posted this on another thread, "How do I know? I worked for the same company and did work with Shannon in 2009 on Long Island. I heard rumors about Pak after LISK from people I knew from that industry when asking around."
Thanks

 

[516witchdoctors]

Yes late 2008-2009. She had a surgery in late 2009 before she started working again and I guess at that point linked up with Pak for whatever reason. Something tells me he took less money and she was able to have more control over the monetary gain. He also had a lot of connections in Queens and maybe used him to broaden there.

 

[dotr]

I heard somewhere that when Shannans body was found her skeleton was complete with the exception of the hyoid bone. The hyoid bone was missing. Can anyone point me to a credible source as to weather this is true?

Welcome to Ws Fredd3039!
Report: Shannan Gilbert could have been strangled - CNN
2016 rbbm.
“There is insufficient information to determine a definite cause of death, but the autopsy findings are consistent with homicidal strangulation,” Baden wrote in the report released Thursday.

Baden wrote that nearly all of Gilbert’s recovered skeletal remains appeared normal but the “larynx was missing and only the body of the hyoid bone was found; the two greater horns of that neck bone were missing. These structures, the larynx and the hyoid bone, are often fractured during homicidal manual strangulation.”

 

[LIThrow]

I have to say I find it less than 1% believable that Shannon and Brewer were not doing cocaine: two known cocaine users, "partying" on a paid date until 4 a.m. and not on coke? If you were only drinking or smoking weed you'd pass out and want to go to bed by then. If you are an escort who likes coke the absolute number one time you will do it is on a date. And where else did Brewer and Shannon go for 15 minutes by car...why was he allowed to not tell the police on that?

 

[WINDSOR]

I am posting because I am concerned that as time goes by people will forget about Shannan and the other victims discovered in the Oak Beach area.
When you think about it with so many bodies, so many burial sites, and in Shannan's case, so many witnessess, you would expect some evidence that would point to the perpetrator(s). But nothing, after ten years the SCPD has nothing. It makes no sense. Is it even possible?
The conclusion of many is there is a cover-up. They believe there are people who know what happened, and who did what.

What is required to break this case open?

 

[hawkshaw]

A Flame Thrower

 

[ListeningAndWatching]

The thing that never sits right with me, if she was so scared of the police she ran at their mention, why did she call 911? Doesn’t add up. The female neighbour (whose name escapes me) didn’t let her in and said she was calling the police. There’s some doubt about what Coletti originally said he didn’t let her in and the 911 tape apparently confirmed that (though he later said he had let her in) so she ran and hid behind his boat when MP came , then bolted when it appeared GC was going to speak to him and give away her hiding place.

It seems much more likely to me that SG did not run away because the police had been called, but because they wouldn’t let her in where she would be safe and hidden from MP. Given she was on the phone to police herself but we know she was hiding from MP, isn’t that the most likely answer?

Female neighbor: Barbara Brennan

 

[ListeningAndWatching]

I will never forget about Shannan and all the other victims but I understand your concern about things fading from public interest. Though I do not always agree with every point made by every podcast or documentary with regard to the LISK case, I appreciate the interest it drums up. It is not coincidental that the need to keep case interest alive is a real issue. T.P.T.B. work their suppressive magic by sweeping things under the rug until they are so far out of sight they become mostly out of mind, therefore a non-issue for them to have to deal with. Those of us who desire more transparency and accountability and whose inner voice tells them, no, SCREAMS to them: ‘THIS IS NOT RIGHT!’ could not let these victim’s memories fade into dust if they wanted to. Not to sound all LI Medium here, but these victims’ unspoken cries for help and resolution that linger in the air, but stem from the great beyond will never be silenced.