Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #11

[Call_me_web_sloth]

Just speculation,
Could WC have been acting as a taxi/Uber? Or even doing some work as an Uber? I understand with Uber you can clock on and work as little or as much as you like. Would also explain the hire car as I think you need to have a newish car to be accepted?
Also links in to the tweet that says what was heard in court was ‘scary’.
Could have been registered under a fake id?
Explains the hazard lights with doors open etc
Could SE have booked a taxi after she got off the phone? Was she planning on getting a taxi home but decided to walk a bit while talking to her boyfriend first? I understand the walk was 50minutes otherwise which is quite a way.
Just speculation, just my thoughts

Sorry! Just realised you posted a similar thing!

 

[Gibbo214]

The BBC do have their own agenda.

The met did not want this to take place and it was taken over by people with extreme political views of their own .
It is my view that a small minority were there not for
Sarah's vigil or for women's right to be safe,but for their anti government and police agenda. Political activists out to create difficulties for the police.

Yes, but the fact remains that it was a serving police officer who has been charged and people are quite entitled to feel rage at that without being labelled radical.
So many men think that IE is just a bit of a lad thing to be shocked by but to giggle at.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

So i dont think he would need a tazer or anything else, putting her in a chokehold from behind would make her unconscious in seconds, then he put her in the car..

I like to think someone passing or overlooking would notice something odd happening and call 999 hours before boyfriend logged her missing with the police.

 

[davidattenborough]

But if the police had stood back and done nothing at Clapham Common, it gives a green light for other groups to get together and break lockdown rules. Why are there also photos of the police holding their hands up to stop people approaching them, and film of people breaking social distancing? What about the footage of the van mirror being smashed? The people at this so-called vigil turned protest aren't above the law.

I like to imagine what this vigil would have been like if there had been no police or police vans present. I imagine it would have been peaceful, sombre, and beautiful.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

I've seen a few comments that WC may try and go the insanity route, or that he was insane at the time of what he was doing. That's very difficult to establish and also very complex. In theory, every defendant is presumed sane unless the contrary is proven.

To even have the consideration of insanity, it has to be established that at the time of the offence the defendant was suffering from:

1) A defect of reason - Things like forgetfulness or absent mindedness, or anything of that ilk don't apply.

2) The defect of reason is caused by a disease of the mind - Basically any disease which affects the normal mental functioning of the mind.

3) The defect of reason must be that the defendant doesn't know what they have done or, if they do know, they didn't know the act was wrong - If the defendant knows what they did was breaking the law then no finding of insanity can be made even if they don't believe the act they committed was wrong.

Insanity is very unique in legal proceedings and I don't think for one minute that will happen in this case. Of course, stranger things have definitely happened but I would be very surprised. Most defendants tend to seek alternative defences such as diminished responsibility and non-insane automatism.

Well yes, don't think he will get away with any of those. If he tried to hide the body or cover things up that surely proves he had reason at those times?

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Given he was close protection for VIP’s and politicians he would be highly skilled and highly trained in close quarters combat, if someone went for his charge he would be trained to disable them/kill them in a split second with his bare hands

So i dont think he would need a tazer or anything else, putting her in a chokehold from behind would make her unconscious in seconds, then he put her in the car..

As far as I am aware he wasn't a close protection officer. That is an even more specialised role than his PaDP role.

 

[Alethea]

I'm quoting you, but not particularly addressing you.

I think most people want to glide over the details of what happened to the victim in these circumstances, what she experienced. Media never used to publish any details. A guy like Ted Bundy has got his smiling face all over the media for having killed women, but the details of what he did to them before killing them is never discussed. So it's all clean and PG 12, I guess.

But I'm feeling like the details need to be released, and people need to know. This is not a bop on the head or a hasty strangulation like you see on TV. IMO someone kidnaps a young woman for a truly shocking purpose and I feel people need to understand how horrific that usually is.

I'm open to receiving feedback.

Yes and I realize this is a particularly American point of view but I think the British people should be outraged that their press is gagged when a Met police officer is charged with a very serious offense and other Met officers are being investigated by internal affairs. You have UK tabloids that print absolute trash about everyone’s private lives but they can’t investigate a police officer charged with murder? An archaic and outdated law IMO particularly when it relates to matter of public importance. I realize the US Bill of Rights was partially in response to the lack of protections in the common law at the time so the situation in the UK is not the same as here in the US but IMO it should be more open.

 

[Call_me_web_sloth]

CCTV is hardly speculation, it’s solid evidence

I didn't mean it like that - I meant are people saying the white astra COULD be the hire car because they saw one on CCTV or are there any links or sources that confirm it?

 

[Sunshine10]

This is very much MOO and possibly far fetched. I don’t believe she knew him as such, but there is some possibility she had come across him in a professional capacity before and therefore ‘trusted’ him.
Although I do come back to the fact I don’t think she’d have got in voluntarily...
(all my opinions just voicing my thoughts)

I hope her family get some answers...

 

[Stella123]

"Sickness during work
If you become ill while you are at work, your line manager may send you home. Unless this
becomes a pattern, this will not count towards sickness absence and you do not need to
update the portal"

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2018/may_2018/information-rights-unit---policysop-that-refer-to-case-conferences-for-sickness#:~:text=Phone%3A%2078222%20(external%3A%200207,2222)%20and%20choose%20option%201.&text=If%20you%20become%20ill%20while,manager%20may%20send%20you%20home.&ved=2ahUKEwiws96Jta7vAhUySxUIHTv7ApYQFjABegQIARAG&usg=AOvVaw14s3Q6VffXOUhOt7La4TGN
Met Police policy is that being sent home from work is not considered sick leave therefore day 1 of sick leave I would interpret as the next shift they are due to be in. I would expect them to call in sick for their next shift.

In conclusion, WC could have been sent home early on the 2nd. He could have started a 12 hour shift without finishing it and then phoned in sick on 5th. There is no information that stays he finished the 12 hour shift. Unless anyone has this info? Jmo

The wording of the report may not be perfect but I think it can be assumed that if it says he started a 12 hour shift at 7pm - then he completed a 12 hour shift. Because it doesn't say he didn't. It doesn't say "he started a 12 hour shift at 7pm but got sick and had to finish early". It says he started a 12 hour shift and was then on leave until 8th March. IMO

 

[Slothysleuth]

Is it confirmed that the hire car was a white astra or is that speculation due to CCTV?

In my mind I have another theory. Every Londoner knows that Uber drivers tend to drive Prius'. This knowledge is so ingrained that most people assume any Prius parked up on the side of the road is probably an Uber.

Might be reaching a little but I know if I was walking down the road and a Prius pulled up next to me I may assume it was an Uber stopping to collect or drop someone off rather than a dodgy car.

To add to other posters point that it was stated in court that it was a white Astra hired from Dover. A uber booking would have been picked up on the phone history (we know the last ping was from her phonecall to the partner). I don't think the perp needed to use uber as a guise when he probably had a warrant card and sheer weight and force over the victim. MOO

 

[cuecard]

Well yes, don't think he will get away with any of those. If he tried to hide the body or cover things up that surely proves he had reason at those times?

Yes. That's why I don't think it would or could be applied in this case. There's too many instances that go against it.

 

[Stella123]

There was comment yesterday that the existence of a hire car is questionable.

The police haven't mentioned it. A 'very local' resident who is on WS has stated that they didn't see any car removed on the evening that WC was arrested. Although, two cars were removed the following day.

Does anyone know of a credible source for the hire car theory?

Hi - it was in media reports of court today I believe. JMO. This one doesn't specifically say it was a hire car but I believe other reports did if anyone has the link

Timeline of Sarah Everard’s disappearance

 

[misscandle]

If she ended up getting into the car in the front seat she must have been incapacitated/dead/unconscious before entering the car surely

Even with child locks on the doors she is still likely to make an attempt to grab the wheel, make the car swerve all over the place, or try and bite his arm to again cause an accident

I thought this. I wonder if he put her in the boot... Hideous.

 

[Cannycat]

I didn't mean it like that - I meant are people saying the white astra COULD be the hire car because they saw one on CCTV or are there any links or sources that confirm it?

The police used the cctv to track him and the court saw it as key evidence to charge him so does that answer your question?

Sarah Everard's body was found in builder's bag and identified with dental records, court hears

 

[kittythehare]

I am Aspergic. I like details. I was just thinking about blood originally, and how gloriously healthy Sarah looked. Then thinking blood was not viewable on photos. Then thinking small amounts of blood could be an off-camera stumble in the defence view.

Then, if force, a tooth. Or maybe hair with roots. Imo, less easy to explain away by chance.

I'm pretty sure the hire car would have been forensically examined and evidence of how he incapacitated her found.
He could well have hurt her as you speculated.

 

[Call_me_web_sloth]

To add to other posters point that it was stated in court that it was a white Astra hired from Dover. A uber booking would have been picked up on the phone history (we know the last ping was from her phonecall to the partner). I don't think the perp needed to use uber as a guise when he probably had a warrant card and sheer weight and force over the victim. MOO

Thank you. Will do some more research on the White Astra, I've only just read about it on the thread recently - I had no clue they released any information about the hire car.

 

[Sleepysleuther]

Whcih

But actually maybe the door was opened by the perp just prior to the moment he took Sarah. Maybe he did knock her out. I don't buy into her being handcuffed. Not to be out in the front. The boot would make more sense.



This is why people think she knew him, she was duped etc - the reality of a woman being forciby taken from a busy road by a stranger is too much.

Personally after the tweet from the journo at court this morning l'm preparing for the worst.

Which journo? I’d like to read the tweet

 

[Slothysleuth]

Thank you. Will do some more research on the White Astra, I've only just read about it on the thread recently - I had no clue they released any information about the hire car.

Heres the link
Sarah Everard’s body found in builder’s bag, court told

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Yes. Do we know that LE have the hire car?

I was wondering if ‘kidnap by force’ legally rules out ‘kidnap by fraud’? Could he be found not guilty of that charge if he later stated he had tricked her into the car, for example.