Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #13

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The police have done a good job of keeping this quiet since last Thursday if the MSM are only over it today. My personal feeling is that it's unrelated to the current case and that the proximity to Chevening is coincidental, if we consider the defendant's work history and the length of time the bones are suspected of being there. JMO

First pictures show Biggin Hill police activity after human bones discovered
 
ApparentlyInDenial said:
Kent bones find link:

Human remains found in woodland
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If these are somehow connected (I would be extremely surprised) then he is spectacularly unlucky timing-wise!!

The news article reports that “the police were called” suggesting the remains were found by a member of the public and that the remains appeared to have been there some years. Even if the police are looking for suspicious movements in his past I doubt they are looking very far back. So the comment “may have been present for a number of years” would seem to discount that they discovered them as part of the SE investigation. (Seriously don’t think police are sending resources to every single location visited in the last few years on the off chance - they really don’t have the resources. Unless he’s confessed. But again, I highly doubt that!)

ETA-So I think it is dangerous to speculate a link unless the police explicitly state something as it kind of adds to the potential of a mis-trial if every set of human remains that gets discovered gets linked to the most recent suspect in custody. (I mean that in a few weeks/months/years when the next weirdo man is accused of bumping off a woman and attempting to hide her body, then every similar event afterwards will be linked to him instead).
 
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How can the postmortem be inconclusive unless the body is destroyed? Are there many cases where the postmortem was inconclusive as to the cause of death with a body found within a week (and not submerged in water for example)?
 
Pembilton said:
On the local Kent BBC news today they emphasised the fact it is the met police rather than Kent police searching in Sandwich. Is this normal? Does this suggest the police believe the murder itself was done in London or is it just the original crime was in London and this is normal practice?
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They don't usually work out of area, living in Kent I don't see any Metropolitan Police at all. I suppose as they have the leads and possibly the specialists on their force, and they are already taking the lead on the case, they may as well continue. It's not far to travel, only an hour and a half maximum, and saves evidence and other parts of the investigation going back and forth between the forces. It keeps it 'in the family' so to speak....
 
C.greek said:
How can the postmortem be inconclusive unless the body is destroyed? Are there many cases where the postmortem was inconclusive as to the cause of death with a body found within a week (and not submerged in water for example)?
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I think it refers to the preliminary autopsy or the interim autopsy report.
A full autopsy report takes several weeks, at least.
 
C.greek said:
How can the postmortem be inconclusive unless the body is destroyed? Are there many cases where the postmortem was inconclusive as to the cause of death with a body found within a week (and not submerged in water for example)?
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Yes. It's not as clear cut or as easy as people often think. Off the top of my head, didn't the singer George Michael have more than one autopsy? It happens all the time.
 
JuicyLucy said:
The police have done a good job of keeping this quiet since last Thursday if the MSM are only over it today. My personal feeling is that it's unrelated to the current case and that the proximity to Chevening is coincidental, if we consider the defendant's work history and the length of time the bones are suspected of being there. JMO

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I said earlier that I am relatively local to biggin hill. There are a TON of police training outlets down here too. I’m keeping Local ear out for rumours.
 
Sherlockhames said:
If these are somehow connected (I would be extremely surprised) then he is spectacularly unlucky timing-wise!!

The news article reports that “the police were called” suggesting the remains were found by a member of the public and that the remains appeared to have been there some years. Even if the police are looking for suspicious criminal history and these were linked to him, then the comment “may have been present for a number of years” would seem to discount that they discovered them as part of the SE investigation.
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Why? “Suspect” worked Bromley for two years for the Met before PaDP.

you’re free to draw your own conclusions of course, I’m just using forensic profiling methods to come to “pencil” possibilities. My own opinion drawn on academic experience is that the suspect is a serial killer, and his publicly known patterns of movement can easily be put into a variety of commonly used geographic profiling models.
 
kittythehare said:
I think it refers to the preliminary autopsy or the interim autopsy report.
A full autopsy report takes several weeks, at least.
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Thanks. I remember from the Libby S case that the autopsy took only a few days after her body was found. And another specialist found her killer's dna. But the autopsy took only a few days if so.
 
Sandyuk said:
Its says they were found on Thursday but its only just being reported on now ?



Also with all the activity going on is it all quiet where you are @LeopardLeotard ? x
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It's been quite quiet here, still van of police posted outside day and night with the occasional police car, nothing going on in house, I had initially thought there was someone there lights on in front room but nets showing, ie main curtains not pulled.
I think there may be occupant back within days so they are making it look normal but with police presence outside.
No press, no further searches here xx
 
LeopardLeotard said:
It's been quite quiet here, still van of police posted outside day and night with the occasional police car, nothing going on in house, I had initially thought there was someone there lights on in front room but nets showing, ie main curtains not pulled.
I think there may be occupant back within days so they are making it look normal but with police presence outside.
No press, no further searches here xx
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To add, I won't be posting if or when that occurs, purely for the kids *advertiser censored*
 
ApparentlyInDenial said:
Why? “Suspect” worked Bromley for two years for the Met before PaDP.

you’re free to draw your own conclusions of course, I’m just using forensic profiling methods to come to “pencil” possibilities. My own opinion drawn on academic experience is that the suspect is a serial killer, and his publicly known patterns of movement can easily be put into a variety of commonly used geographic profiling models.
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JMO- given the speculation about the possible state of SE's body (potentially difficult to identify), perhaps a corpse left in a similar state could have been there for less time than it would appear from the state of decomposition.
 
KensingtonandChelsea said:
No, it specifically says in our Code of Conduct's core duties that we cannot refuse a brief just because we disagree with the issues or defendant at hand. When I said ethical considerations, I meant perhaps if the defendant is aggressive towards you or threatens you, you can withdraw/refuse, if anything else would make it difficult for you to act in your client's best interests then that should be an ethical issue you raise with your clerk when he discusses briefs with you.

Refusing to represent someone and withdrawing from a case are two different things. Often you would withdraw if you realise that you are unable to act in the client's best interests - for example if he tells you he's guilty but continues to plead not guilty, you can't put forward a positive case in court. At that point you may decide to state that you are withdrawing and it will be apparent to the judge what you mean by this. Conflicts of interest are carefully monitored within law firms by solicitors but you would have to declare if you had any conflicts with your lay client - I haven't personally heard of someone withdrawing or refusing due to a conflict of interest yet. The most common reason for turning down a brief is lack of availability in your schedule or maybe feeling that you don't have the requisite skill set/experience for the brief but often solicitors won't approach you with it if they know you can't handle it, for want of a better phrase.
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Thank you for taking the time to give such a detailed answer.
 
tallmansix said:
We won't know until trial but the confusing bits about this case for me are:

1. Most people, especially LE are aware of the huge numbers of CCTV and ANPR in and around London, impossible to enter and leave London without your vehicle registration number being captured. A hire car doesn't get round this, even false plates aren't fool-proof because the genuine owner of the registration number can be quickly eliminated in an investigation and the movements of the car with false plates are still captured.

2. We haven't heard in the news about the hire car being recovered by the police nor any requests to help to locate it so I guess it was returned to the hire company. Local press / public would usually pick up on this as it would be quite an event if forensics were recovering a car from a company in Dover at the time, maybe the car had been re-hired already to another person so the recovery was kept private. Where was the accused's own car - did he take it to Dover to hire the car and leave it there until returning the hire car.

3. Stranger abductions into car - I've browsed news history, when it does happen in London and other UK cities all seem to have involved a weapon to threaten the individual and the perp usually turns out to have a lengthy criminal history or bad character unless the perp was known to the victim. Only difference here is the possibility of using police ID in the abduction but that wouldn't get the victim 55 miles away without something else happening soon after the abduction.

4. During the missing persons search, it was said that SE's phone signal was last located to a mast near to the site of the alleged abduction. Suggests that the phone was quickly disabled (unless battery just happened to go at that time) and suggests something serious happened during the kidnap or very soon afterwards. A one and a half hour drive from kidnap to where SE was found is unusual for sexual offences that seem to occur very close to the first encounter from reading historic news reports - to much risk of something go wrong / been spotted during the long journey.

5. I'm torn between it being a calculated pre-planned crime vs escalated beyond original intent. The accused had no reason to be where he was or to be in contact with SE so preplanning and bad intentions are likely. However the intent could have been similar to IE that escalated.

6. Builders bag - can see why it was used, easy to carry / drag a body a distance but was it already in the car ready to be used or did he return home for it later? Where was the body during this time if he did? A police officer (Darren McKie) in Manchester killed his wife and left the body in the boot of the car round the corner from his house then waited until his kids were in bed to move her body - the movements of that hire car will be really interesting.
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You raise good points about the car. We have not seen the car being recovered and if it had been returned to a rental place it would not have been a case of it being quietly moved by the police. Someone would have seen the police activity and it would have been reported.

This lack of information is why I’m still thinking the car could have been a ZIP car.
 
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