MN MN - New Scandia Twp & St Paul, Bone Lake & Pig's Eye Lake, WhtFem 30-65, UP7308, head/foot, Jun'93

[devertere]

I have no clue, my guess is that it's not that easy, since size and shoe size vary.
Healthline has "anecdotal" info on women over 20:

 

[MarziPanda]

Would one be able to calculate a rough estimate of a person's height from their foot length? I know very little about that area of forensics.

No. My sister and I both have big feet. Hers are one size bigger. I'm 5'7, she's only 5'4. I'm an 8 (10.5 in US sizing) and she's a 9 (11.5-ish in US sizing).

I also know someone (a man, but the point stands) who is average height, taller than me, but has tiny, tiny feet - he's a size 4, which is a 4 and a half in US sizes. So anyone can be any height with any size foot. There is sometimes some correlation (generally tall people will have bigger feet) but not always.

 

[coffeeandacig]

I agree, quite disturbing. I seriously have no words for this that don't disparage the artist that created this.
I wonder if we could get one of our talented members like @CarlK90245 or @coffeeandacig to update the original sketch? (Pretty please?)

@Tabirey Thanks for mentioning me along side the amazing CarlK! I wish I could help. Unfortunately, it's a no-no to touch other peoples work and then modify it. If I had a PM photo from the ME, that would be different...sorry.

 

[JupiterAmmon]

@Tabirey Thanks for mentioning me along side the amazing CarlK! I wish I could help. Unfortunately, it's a no-no to touch other peoples work and then modify it. If I had a PM photo from the ME, that would be different...sorry.

The image with the open mouth is a retouched morgue photo. Maybe the ME has more though.

 

[devertere]

Sorry, I'm gathering notes, but am too tired to explain right now

Another partial doe, super close...

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
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Randall Woodfield suspecf
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Wisconsin Today
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DNA technology helps ID 1990 homicide victim in Jackson County as Milwaukee woman Wisconsin Today

 

[Tabirey]

@Tabirey Thanks for mentioning me along side the amazing CarlK! I wish I could help. Unfortunately, it's a no-no to touch other peoples work and then modify it. If I had a PM photo from the ME, that would be different...sorry.

Completely understand! I meant to ask if you'd be willing to do your own, not alter another artists. I apologize for the for not being more clear. You and Carl amaze me with your talents!

 

[Tabirey]

Doe Network on UID:

123UFMN


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Uuuh... you guys....

In Wisconsin and Minnesota, 2-3hrs from St. Paul a couple of bodies with severed body parts turned up in the 1980's/90's.. could be related. So far I found:

Terry A. Dolowy, missing since Feb 14, 1985:
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Her headless body was found in La Crosse, WI Feb 19, 1985:
The Doe Network: 873UFWI

UID, found May, 1984 in Westby, WI:
Wrists were severed.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) *WARNING POSTMORTEM*
261UFWI

Cindy Carol Larson is listed as an MP since Nov, 1995 from Caledonia, MN with Circumstance "Homicide victim found in Missouri River":
I'm making an educated guess that part of her is still missing....
3773DFMN - Cindy Carol Larson


edit: UID, only skull/mandible, found in Houlton, WI in Oct, 2002. Only 25 min to St. Paul!!
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Whoa!! I really hope LE has checked into these!!

 

[JupiterAmmon]

There's also the wry neck head in IL from 93.

 

[devertere]

Oh boy. My feeling about this being the work of a serial killer just got even more plausible.

Our UID was found in June, 1993.

A few months later, in late September a sex worker named Martha Ann Bacon went missing from North Minneapolis, until her arm was found by a dog in Wright County. Over the next year the rest of her was found here and there....


(from Star Tribune, Oct 19, 1993)


(from Star Tribune, Oct 11, 1994, last 2 paragraphs)

Technically, there is also the possibility that some body parts were assigned to Martha that were really the UIDs, I guess.

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In February, 1990, they also found the dismembered body of a boy along the Mississippi River. They concluded it was the corpse of a 9y old, stolen from a cemetery.

 

[devertere]

Mary Jeanette went missing June 5, 1993 from a VA medical centre in St. Cloud. From what I gather they believe it was a suicide since some of her belongings were found next to the river, but I still wanted to show you guys. I'll post news clippings tomorrow.

 

[devertere]

Here you go ... Ms. Mary Jeanette..




I definitely could imagine her hair being even shorter with sort of a mullet like you can see in picture 2.

 

[devertere]

Here you go ... Ms. Mary Jeanette..

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I definitely could imagine her hair being even shorter with sort of a mullet like you can see in picture 2.

Forget Mary Jeanette, she was found dead a while later.

 

[madamx]

I was able to get a hold of the "computer-enhanced" image (albeit in B&W microfiche).

*********** WARNING: It is quite disturbing. **********

Great find Jupiter! Yeah her eyes look so big and cartoon like it’s weird. I noticed the mole or dot on her forehead too but it’s not in the sketch so maybe it was just dirt.

Below I put a close up of her mouth . I was looking at her teeth . Looks to me like she has one that slightly overlaps the other and has a chip. I just thought I would post that detail up.

 

[madamx]

Oh boy. My feeling about this being the work of a serial killer just got even more plausible.

Our UID was found in June, 1993.

A few months later, in late September a sex worker named Martha Ann Bacon went missing from North Minneapolis, until her arm was found by a dog in Wright County. Over the next year the rest of her was found here and there....

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(from Star Tribune, Oct 19, 1993)

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(from Star Tribune, Oct 11, 1994, last 2 paragraphs)

Technically, there is also the possibility that some body parts were assigned to Martha that were really the UIDs, I guess.

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In February, 1990, they also found the dismembered body of a boy along the Mississippi River. They concluded it was the corpse of a 9y old, stolen from a cemetery.

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wow this is really interesting .. I Never heard of these.

 

[madamx]

I came across this woman missing from Florida in 1991 not much info but her eyebrows remind me of Jane doe


The Doe Network:
Case File 2977DFFL

Sandra J. Binns
Missing since December 9, 1991 from Big Pine Key, Monroe County, Florida
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics

• • Date Of Birth: October 23, 1952
  • Age at Time of Disappearance: 39 years old
  • Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3"; 130 lbs.
  • Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
  • Marks, Scars: Scar on knee.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Sandra Binns was last seen in Big Pine Key, FL on December 9, 1991.

 

[madamx]

This lady her eyebrows not so much but her left front tooth seems to look like it has the same outer chip that the UID has on her tooth.. it’s a bit hard to tell but iam posting her anyway... oh and I noticed while I was posting . The Jane doe seems to have a thinner upper lip and thicker lower lip which is similar to this woman.

The Doe Network:
Case File 1168DFTX

Jayne Elizabeth Winship Davis
Missing since April 30, 1993 from Houston, Harris County, Texas.
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

• • Date Of Birth: July 26, 1968
  • Age at Time of Disappearance: 24 years old
  • Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6": 130 lbs.
  • Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Hazel eyes; brown hair.
  • Marks, Scars: She has a scar on the bridge of her nose, between her eyes and birthmarks on her hip and on the calf of her leg, unknown left or right.
  • Dentals: Available

Circumstances of Disappearance
Davis was last seen in Houston, TX on April 30, 1993.

She intended to travel from Houston to Brenham to visit in-laws, but she would return to her Houston home a few days later. It is unknown if she ever left the Houston area.

Davis left behind a 2-year-old son when she disappeared. Foul play is possible

 

[Susikatze]

Would one be able to calculate a rough estimate of a person's height from their foot length? I know very little about that area of forensics.

Archeologist and anthropologist here. No, you cant tell it from the foot size. You need the long bones of the legs for an estimate.

 

[Piknik]

Fantastic research. I still haven't had hard confirmation from Washington County regarding if the foot and head are a DNA match.

 

[devertere]

I'm pretty sure that Martha Ann Bacon and the UID were killed by the same person. Personally, I think that the UID was either a sex worker like Martha or homeless. If that's the case we might never find out.

On another note: Do you think I should write up all my research on other dismembered victims and send it to LE. I really do not want to seem like a crazy person.

 

[madamx]

I'm pretty sure that Martha Ann Bacon and the UID were killed by the same person. Personally, I think that the UID was either a sex worker like Martha or homeless. If that's the case we might never find out.

On another note: Do you think I should write up all my research on other dismembered victims and send it to LE. I really do not want to seem like a crazy person.

On another note: Do you think I should write up all my research on other dismembered victims and send it to LE. I really do not want to seem like a crazy person


Omg I literally just cracked up... love love love this ha!

Sometime I wonder what someone would think if they found my phone. I have soooo many postmortem headshots saved on my phone that I keep because Iam always comparing to missing people.