NC - Andrew Brown Jr., 40, fatally shot by sheriff’s deputy, Elizabeth City, 21 Apr 2021

[Leve]

Disgraceful. Why was all that manpower needed to arrest one man for a victimless crime?

It was weird to see them in the bed of a pickup. However, just some thoughtd on your question.

#1 drug dealers generally have weapons
#2 they were also executing a search warrant and more than 1 officer is needed for that.
#3 I don't think drugs are victimless. (An example I can name several children sold to drug dealers so parents can get a fix. )

 

[SBops]

It was weird to see them in the bed of a pickup. However, just some thoughtd on your question.

#1 drug dealers generally have weapons
#2 they were also executing a search warrant and more than 1 officer is needed for that.
#3 I don't think drugs are victimless. (An example I can name several children sold to drug dealers so parents can get a fix. )

Eight officers?

 

[tara83]

Shot in the back of the head?Something isn't right here.You don't shoot someone in the back of the head if you think they have a weapon and have fear for your life.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“I want to see all these killings stop," says Khalil Ferebee, Andrew Brown's son. "There's too much going on in this world and we don't need that. They are supposed to protect us but they are doing the harm. It's got to stop somewhere."
https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1386838013112733698

 

[MimosaMornings]

Eight officers?

I don’t know what how many members are usually engaged when a SWAT team is sent out. Perhaps 5-7?
JMO

 

[LietKynes]

It was weird to see them in the bed of a pickup. However, just some thoughtd on your question.

#1 drug dealers generally have weapons
#2 they were also executing a search warrant and more than 1 officer is needed for that.
#3 I don't think drugs are victimless. (An example I can name several children sold to drug dealers so parents can get a fix. )

bbm
# 3 bolded is horrifying.

 

[tara83]

bbm
# 3 bolded is horrifying.

From what I've been reading, this AB Jr. had a lengthy rap sheet and LE were probably on edge.
If his hands were on the steering wheel -- does that mean he was driving away, as in getting ready to flee ?
IF this is the case, what if he'd slammed into another car and there were fatalities ?

My opinion is that : LE do not want a shootout and would prefer a compliant perp.

Also, is it possible that a bullet entered his neck or side and exited out the back of his head, thus an exit wound and not an entrance wound ?
As in, not shot in the back ?
MOO

If they are that on edge maybe they need to find another occupation.Cops aren't supposed to be executioners.

 

[SBops]

I don’t know what how many members are usually engaged when a SWAT team is sent out. Perhaps 5-7?
JMO

A Swat team to arrest a man accused of selling drugs?

 

[LietKynes]

From what I've been reading, this AB Jr. had a lengthy rap sheet, and LE were probably on edge.
I'm not going to judge LE for being cautious !

If his hands were on the steering wheel -- does that mean he was about to drive away, as in getting ready to flee ?
IF this is the case, what if he'd slammed into another car and there were fatalities ?

My opinion is that : LE do not want a shootout, and would prefer a compliant perp.

Also, is it possible that a bullet entered his neck or side and exited out the back of his head, thus an exit wound and not an entrance wound ?
As in, not shot in the back ?

Moment large group of cops surround Andrew Brown's car after North Carolina police shooting | Daily Mail Online

Autopsy reveals 'fleeing' Andrew Brown was killed by bullet to the back of his neck that lodged in his brain as new footage shows moment eight cops attempted to serve search warrant on the 'drug dealer with 180-page criminal record'


Court documents released on Monday show deputies obtained the search warrant that brought them to Brown after investigators recorded him selling small amounts of cocaine and methamphetamine to an informant.


Gunfire already had started in the clip they were shown, they said, and it was unclear what had happened in the moments before the shooting.
Emphasis mine.

I do agree that "Transparency is essential", and should always be the case.

My opinion is that Mr. Crump is a glorified ambulance chaser.
Not sure if he's doing more harm than good.
Imo.

 

[Yaktopus]

Hi, I'm from Elizabeth City and I wanted to chime in.


The police here always end up sending too many officers, no matter the races involved or situation at hand. They are notorious for it. That particular part of the story isn't anything out of the ordinary for this area. I've seen it first hand more times than I'd like to admit, and it's scary every single time.


I will say that I didn't really foresee this happening here, despite everything. I'm so disappointed and overwhelmed.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

So he deserved to be executed?

Who is saying that?

 

[MsBetsy]

From what I've been reading, this AB Jr. had a lengthy rap sheet, and LE were probably on edge.
I'm not going to judge LE for being cautious !

If his hands were on the steering wheel -- does that mean he was about to drive away, as in getting ready to flee ?
IF this is the case, what if he'd slammed into another car and there were fatalities ?

My opinion is that : LE do not want a shootout, and would prefer a compliant perp.

Also, is it possible that a bullet entered his neck or side and exited out the back of his head, thus an exit wound and not an entrance wound ?
As in, not shot in the back ?
MOO

According to the autopsy report the bullet entered the back of the neck and went upwards. He was shot in the back of the neck, at the bottom of his skull and the bullet got lodged in his brain. That is what killed him and probably why they are calling his death "an execution." It seems the first shot was meant to kill. Imo

 

[SBops]

Who is saying that?

Then what is the point of posting his criminal record? He is the victim here.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Then what is the point of posting his criminal record? He is the victim here.

Some facts and truth can help clarify a situation.

 

[MsBetsy]

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[tara83]

Some facts and truth can help clarify a situation.

I wish we could get some facts on the officers involved.I would be very interested to learn if they had other incidents involving aggresion while arresting someone.

 

[Leve]

Disgraceful. Why was all that manpower needed to arrest one man for a victimless crime?

It was weird to see them in the bed of a pickup. However, just some thoughtd on your question.

#1 drug dealers generally have weapons
#2 they were also executing a search warrant and more than 1 officer is needed for that.
#3 I don't think drugs are victimless. (An example I can name several children sold to drug dealers so parents can get a fix. )

bbm
# 3 bolded is horrifying.

DBM...I remembered her name.
Shaniya Davis also in North Carolina.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Some facts and truth can help clarify a situation.

I agree. I was surprised to see his record started in 1988. He would have been around 9 years old.

 

[MsBetsy]

Some facts and truth can help clarify a situation.

I think it's LE who need to clarify the situation by releasing the video evidence or at least making a statement as to what charges will be made, if any. We already know the victim had a lengthy criminal record but we have not yet heard an explanation for the use of deadly force. We also haven't heard if the victim had any weapons or if LE found what they were looking for under the warrant.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I think it's LE who need to clarify the situation by releasing the video evidence or at least making a statement as to what charges will be made, if any. We already know the victim had a lengthy criminal record but we have not yet heard an explanation for the use of deadly force. We also haven't heard if the victim had any weapons or if LE found what they were looking for under the warrant.

ITA Facts and truth on both sides of a situation.