NC - Andrew Brown Jr., 40, fatally shot by sheriff’s deputy, Elizabeth City, 21 Apr 2021

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You would think that they would show the video of that wouldnt you?

I do understand why the family, public, and media have a thirst to see it all.

However, the justice system doesn't proceed this way. They are there to protect the ongoing investigation. It is not solely cases involving police officers either.

I can't count the times I've seen judges keep any evidence in any ongoing investigation seated in the decades I've been following them.

Imo, no more will be released in this case until the investigation is completed. The media may go to an appellate court, but they usually find the lower court judge ruled correctly.

Imo
 
exactly. What kind of cop stands directly in front of or behind a running vehicle occupied by a violent felon?! Pretty sure that’s not protocol.

Neither is riding around recklessly with 5 armed men in the back of a pickup, I'm pretty sure! So maybe this department doesn't care about protocol. And the judge has offered them plenty of cover now. Anything can be edited, given to select family and ONE lawyer. Any leaks or sharing with someone who can check for edits...maybe punishable by death, too, since after all, they should have obeyed what the people in charge say. Even better if that select family member has his own criminal past, since people will find a way to justify it.

No wonder people get mad.
 
Respectfully, have to disagree there.

No, he was not a 'victim'.

If he not only drove forward to run the cops over and then reversed -- a vehicle can be a deadly weapon.
Not just trying to flee -- but running down the police !
Shot from behind whilst AB Jr. was mowing down the arresting officers-- yes, that will guarantee you will meet deadly force.
MOO


Resisting Arrest - FindLaw

RESISTING ARREST

Elements of the Crime
As a general definition, a defendant resists arrest when they intentionally prevent an officer from making a lawful arrest or discharging any other official duty, and the person creates a substantial risk of bodily injury to the officer or anyone else, or acts in a way that justifies use of force to overcome the resistance.

It's important to understand that some state laws prohibit any action that impedes an officer. This means that a resisting arrest charge can be filed against you without any prior attempt to place you under arrest. In other states an arrest must be in progress for a resisting charge to be filed against you.

To be found guilty, the burden is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt all the elements of the crime. This can include:

  • Prove that the defendant was aware or should have reasonably known that the person they were resisting was a law enforcement officer;
  • Establish that the officer was performing their duties in a lawful manner; and
  • Show the defendant intentionally resisted arrest.
 
Wow. We don't need to see officers faces or badge numbers. We DO need to see all body cam videos from the point that they arrived at the scene and exited their respective vehicles, where they positioned themselves, and especially their gun-wielding arms. Times will be on the videos. Cams should have been activated before exiting vehicle(s). County Attorney has stated that no shots were fired prior to AB putting the car in reverse and backing out of the driveway.( Unless it was already IN reverse, foot on brake ??) If AB put it in reverse, he would have to use his right arm to do so. The family attorney (forget her name) who saw the 20-second snippet said that AB's hands were always on the steering wheel as he was being shot at in the driveway. Exact timing is really important, here. Family attorney also said that before she before she heard shots from the video, a shell was visible.....if so, a shot or shots were fired BEFORE the beginning of the 20-second snippet. All is hinky. JMO
 
Wow. We don't need to see officers faces or badge numbers. We DO need to see all body cam videos from the point that they arrived at the scene and exited their respective vehicles, where they positioned themselves, and especially their gun-wielding arms. Times will be on the videos. Cams should have been activated before exiting vehicle(s). County Attorney has stated that no shots were fired prior to AB putting the car in reverse and backing out of the driveway.( Unless it was already IN reverse, foot on brake ??) If AB put it in reverse, he would have to use his right arm to do so. The family attorney (forget her name) who saw the 20-second snippet said that AB's hands were always on the steering wheel as he was being shot at in the driveway. Exact timing is really important, here. Family attorney also said that before she before she heard shots from the video, a shell was visible.....if so, a shot or shots were fired BEFORE the beginning of the 20-second snippet. All is hinky. JMO
Yes, this.
 
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The laws regarding release of body cam video vary by state. Body cam footage only released by court order in NC - Carolina Public Press

At 8:30 a.m. Wednesday, Pasquotank sheriff’s deputies shot and killed Andrew Brown Jr. while serving a warrant at a residential address in Elizabeth City, according to the county’s sheriff.

Now, Elizabeth City residents are protesting and demanding the release of the footage from the officers’ body cameras, which the sheriff says were turned on.

But under a state law passed in 2016, the only way for the sheriff’s office to release the video to the public is by a court order. Any person, including the news media, may seek the release of the video from a Superior Court judge, according to the UNC School of Government.

Carolina Public Press is coordinating with several other news organizations to request the video. A similar coalition of newsrooms successfully sought the release of body cam and security footage last year in the death of John Neville in Forsyth County Detention Center, and judges have ordered similar releases of videos on several occasions.

District Attorney Andrew Womble and Pasquotank County Attorney Michael Cox released a joint statement stating that the video cannot be released without a court order:


“We know people want to see the body camera footage. It is reasonable for people to ask to see it, because such video can help provide key context about what happened in incidents like this. However, under North Carolina law, police body-worn camera footage is not a public record and cannot be released to the press or public without a court order.”


The statement also said officials are working to arrange a viewing of the video for Brown’s family. Per state law, the family has a right to request to see the video. It is at the agency’s discretion whether or not to disclose it.

Brown’s family will not be able to record or copy the video, but they will be able to speak to the press and public about what they see.

In Neville’s case, after the family saw the video, they told the press and the public that Neville said he could not breathe 24 times before he went unconscious. That insight spurred more public interest in the case, and lawyers then used that information to encourage the judge to disclose the videos.

Pasquotank Sheriff Tommy Wooten, the county attorney and the district attorney will be able to argue their positions in court about releasing the videos.

“As a leader in this county, I’m committed to being transparent to the people I serve,” Wooten said in a video press release Thursday night.

The Superior Court judge who hears the case will have complete discretion on whether to release the videos in full, in part or not at all, based on eight criteria, including advancing a compelling public interest.

The DA’s office, the county attorney and the sheriff can all make statements in court about whether they support or oppose any part of the video’s release. None have said yet what their position would be in court.

The Dare County Sheriff’s Office also had deputies on the ground, according to the State Bureau of Investigation. The Dare sheriff’s office did not respond to questions for this story.

In one Facebook Live video, a law enforcement officer identifies himself as a Perquimans County sheriff’s deputy. It is not clear how many other jurisdictions were involved in serving the search warrant and the arrest warrant for Brown. Wooten mentioned but did not identify the multiple participating agencies.
 
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I'm curious to find out what was involved in the planning meeting prior to serving the warrant. Imo, the warrant was based on some type of surveillance, as it involved drug buys.

Did they have "eyes on" the subject in the hours preceding the botched arrest?

If they were familiar with his routine, why choose to execute the warrant while he was in his car?
Was it poor planning, bad luck or might it be a desire to participate in a more dramatic takedown to send a message or simply put their SWAT tactics to use?
 
<modsnip> This one is about whether or not a particular homicide is justifiable. Relevant facts will be determined by videos, eyewitnesses, and sworn testimony. This all happened in a very short period of time. Patience. jmo
 
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Superior Court Judge Jeff Foster did, however, order the release of four body cam videos to Andrew Brown’s son and to one attorney within the next 10 days.

Womble’s account stands in contrast to how the Brown family and their attorneys described the events after a viewing a 20-second clip of footage Monday — and drew a sharp reaction from Brown’s family’s attorneys afterward.

One of those attorneys, Chantel Cherry-Lassiter, said she did not see Brown’s vehicle make contact with any deputies in the clip.

Another attorney for the family, Harry Daniels, called Womble’s behavior “beyond reprehensible.” He said disputes over what the footage shows demonstrate why they should be publicly released.

”Show us the video. Show us the tape,” he said. “If that’s your position, show the tape.”

An attorney for the deputies involved contended the video should not be released, saying his clients could not get a fair trial. They are “distraught” about what happened, he said, but added: “We believe the shooting was justified.”
Body cam footage of Andrew Brown shooting will not immediately be released to the public, judge rules

*I must have missed the part about the deputies’ attorney. Is one attorney representing each individual as clients?


 
“The video leaked earlier today shows what we already suspected: Andrew Brown Jr. was brought down by an inflamed modern-day lynch mob,” Brown’s family’s lawyers said in a joint statement. “The footage shows an eerie resemblance to what we saw in Ahmaud Arbery’s modern-day lynching, except these were no vigilantes – these murderers were on the clock as law enforcement.”
Judge denies public release of Andrew Brown Jr. bodycam footage
 
My thoughts for what they are worth......
1) I don’t believe LE drove that vehicle , loaded with officers , for any distance.
I’m going to guess they parked unmarked vehicles out of sight line, and loaded officers into the pickup.
2) I don’t think showing more video to the son is going to change what the family has said, no matter what he sees. He is upset, hurt, and angry. The family and attorney already put their view out there. I don’t believe they will backtrack even if it shows AB hitting officers before being shot.
3) it’s unfortunate that we have to wait so long for the video. That’s on the judge, LE didn’t make that decision.
 
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