Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #135

[Spartygirl]

Sorry, I’ll try to clarify my opinion.

I don’t think JBC matches BG based on the way he dresses.

I think BG appears to be much older based on the way he dresses.

I don’t think it is impossible that BG specifically wore clothes that would be misleading. I don’t think it’s impossible that JBC would dress different than normal if he killed the girls.

I totally understand now what you are trying to say.
I agree.. to a point
I am on the fence with why he is dressed the way he is that day-
Purposely, to conceal a jacket full of "props" or other objects needed for him to get the girls. ??
Or are these the clothes he wore normally AT THAT TIME ??
PLUS -- JBC has not shown any photos of himself dressed like that on his SM.
Maybe that is purposely also.
If you think about it, most of his photos of himself are shirtless...pants only, not shirts, jackets, etc
Pants and hats mostly.

 

[Spartygirl]

Thanks for the encouragement. Actually they were mainly looking at a still image of BG on the tracks: They just kept saying the “old man jeans and jacket” and that he “has the aura of a working class senior citizen” while they felt Chadwell looked “young and strong”.

IF Chadwell is BG — and unfortunately it’s still a big if — then I sincerely hope that they can find some hard DNA or link to Delphi. Otherwise, seeing as his lawyer will not let him be questioned, it would be dreadful if he’s neither ruled in nor ruled out. Unless as he’s facing decades in prison he would want to come clean and confess? Wonder how likely that is??

BBM
Well, honestly.... at the beginning, I could probably find a few of those "older, working class senior citizens" as BG so there's that. IMO
After 4+ years, I no longer see that, but that is JMO
I am trying to stay open minded as we all do NOT have a clue and neither does LE who the heck BG is.
Praying we get something soon about JBC.

 

[Spartygirl]

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Also, if BC is BG and the one in the photo on the bridge he had not been out of prison very long. His wardrobe may have consisted of thrift store findings or hand-me-downs.

THIS ^^^
I have to say, this honestly does NOT go with my original POI thoughts however, I have learned to take my blinders off and think outside my box.
Especially now with JBC arrested....who knows what clothes he had access to when he got out of prison after 10+ yrs ???
We just don't know.

 

[somequestions]

Opinions should be based on something, and I'm not sure what you're basing your estimate of his age on. I originally thought the same thing because of his posture, but now I think that his posture was affected by whatever he was concealing under his coat. In the still images that have been isolated, he appears to have a very fresh-looking face, not the face of a 50-year-old.

He dresses like 60 plus? He's dressed the same way as 90% of the guys in the Midwest, aged 30–50. I don't think your friends are a representative sample. LE said he was wearing a hoodie, and I don't know anybody over 50 who wears a hoodie. People I know who are that old wear cardigans, double-breasted London Fog raincoats, and newsboy caps. My circle of friends probably isn't representative of anything, either. It's a mistake to make a generalization based on such a small sample.

My opinion is based on the video. I see the face of someone who is at least 50 years old with sagging cheeks and older face. The clothing looks to me like the clothes a refrigerated truck driver would wear. The bridge guy having his hands in his pockets could indicate something wrong with his hands and not being useful. Junior high teenage girls are of that age where someone who looks strange to them could give them bad vibes. I think there could be something strange about how this man looks that made the girls uneasy. I think that could have something to do with his face or his hands.

I think LE is wrong about the sketches, about him being local, about him being 18 -40 and appearing younger than his real age. LE follows their opinion of who they think bridge guy is based on how they interpret the evidence. I have my opinion of who I think bridge guy is.

If others do not think that about LE, that is ok. That is their opinion.

 

[Spartygirl]

That’s a possibility.

Regardless it’s not enough that anyone be charged based on a similar clothing style nor would that automatically exclude a POI. LE will require evidence to place a suspect at the scene of the crime and hopefully they’re working toward that.

BBM
YES----See-- that's the whole issue, IMO
They (LE) need to prove / place someone AT the bridge on FEB 13th AT that time frame .

my feelings on that, is they have NOT been able to do that.
Alibi ??? maybe... but yes, they have to be able to PROVE their suspect was there at the exact time.
UGH-- this case drives me nuts.

 

[Spartygirl]

As to the BBM comment: If a person (ANY person) had indeed murdered 2 young girls, regardless of whether or not the murders were planned in advance or were possibly just an impromptu event, (in MY opinion) it seems VERY likely that the murderer would never want to be recognized. ...and toward that end, they may well go far out of their way to never dress in a similar manner as how they had dressed on the day they came across & killed those two young girls. ...but then I have indeed been called crazy before so... (just to be clear though, I have never been officially diagnosed by anyone that has had proper medical/psychology training which would allow them to "legally" document me as being "certifiable". Sometimes it's wise if I make that clear. )

HA !!!
I read your post and thought of this LMAO

 

[Spartygirl]

My opinion is based on the video. I see the face of someone who is at least 50 years old with sagging cheeks and older face. The clothing looks to me like the clothes a refrigerated truck driver would wear. The bridge guy having his hands in his pockets could indicate something wrong with his hands and not being useful. Junior high teenage girls are of that age where someone who looks strange to them could give them bad vibes. I think there could be something strange about how this man looks that made the girls uneasy. I think that could have something to do with his face or his hands.

I think LE is wrong about the sketches, about him being local, about him being 18 -40 and appearing younger than his real age. LE follows their opinion of who they think bridge guy is based on how they interpret the evidence. I have my opinion of who I think bridge guy is.

If others do not think that about LE, that is ok. That is their opinion.

Interesting.
I am listening.
I have to admit, I thought about a truck driver at the beginning but got so focused on the locals and surrounding area that I gave that up.
I am listening

 

[Boxer]

For the crime of attempted murder of a 9 year old I would assume they thoroughly searched his house vehicles and electronics. CCSO would come join that search or see the seized property.

 

[Marzipan]

Interesting.
I am listening.
I have to admit, I thought about a truck driver at the beginning but got so focused on the locals and surrounding area that I gave that up.
I am listening

I’m appreciating all of the assertive yet respectful debate today. You know people are deeply insightful when you find yourself hitting “like” on both sides of opposing views. Thanks Websleuths.

 

[Finlay]

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HA !!!
I read your post and thought of this LMAO

Yesssss! Exactly!

 

[Spartygirl]

I’m appreciating all of the assertive yet respectful debate today. You know people are deeply insightful when you find yourself hitting “like” on both sides of opposing views. Thanks Websleuths.

That, IMO is what is so great about WS
While WS does stick to FACTS, we also all have an opinion.
I try to be open minded to others opinions especially in a case like this that has not been solved in over 4+ yrs.
I mean, some cases, you read, research, feel that you know who did it and most times are correct, along with everyone else.
This case needs open minds and other thoughts to be considered at this point.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

For me the clothes he’s wearing screams 60+ And really 70+ I say that because his clothing reminds me of my FIL who is 70+

Of my friends in their 60s I’d say the ones over 65 are more likely dress as old as BG, the ones 60-65, I can’t think of any off the top of my head that dress that old. Of my friends under 60, I’d say none.

Obviously all MOO and by no means everyone’s experience, but my experience leads me to think BG is older.

This is perhaps the most surprising aspect of the case, IMO. I can't see an older guy no matter what source I use -- video or still frames -- nor any state of mind. I can be overjoyed. He looks 30s. I can be drunk out of my mind. He's 30s. I can be losing tons of money in the stock market like this week. He's 30s.

For the life of me I don't see how anything can be interpreted as an older guy. My initial impression in 2017 was 32-36. I assumed that would be the consensus. Then I was flabbergasted with so many assertions of older. Nowadays if anything I would prefer younger than my original estimate, with starting point in high 20s. I wouldn't be shocked at younger than that. I would be virtually speechless at considerably older.

I think it stems from my decades in Las Vegas. The sports betting realm is virtually all males and we competed against each other for betting lines, etc. Every afternoon we'd be trudging the Strip from one sportsbook to another. During college basketball season it was cold as heck so we were bundled up but that is the most important sport of all to get the best lines. The difference between giving -3.5 and -4.5, for example, is massive. Nobody could afford to be lazy at that time of year. Consequently we'd all be out there at the same time. And that is what we looked like when we were in our 30s. It was instantly recognizable. Years ago I sent the photo -- minus any description -- to two Las Vegas buddies of mine from that era. When I asked for an age estimate both came back with 30s.

The release of the video should have provided greater clarity. That effortless high knee bend and cross step to the left. That's a younger guy.

 

[Boxer]

This is perhaps the most surprising aspect of the case, IMO. I can't see an older guy no matter what source I use -- video or still frames -- nor any state of mind. I can be overjoyed. He looks 30s. I can be drunk out of my mind. He's 30s. I can be losing tons of money in the stock market like this week. He's 30s.

For the life of me I don't see how anything can be interpreted as an older guy. My initial impression in 2017 was 32-36. I assumed that would be the consensus. Then I was flabbergasted with so many assertions of older. Nowadays if anything I would prefer younger than my original estimate, with starting point in high 20s. I wouldn't be shocked at younger than that. I would be virtually speechless at considerably older.

I think it stems from my decades in Las Vegas. The sports betting realm is virtually all males and we competed against each other for betting lines, etc. Every afternoon we'd be trudging the Strip from one sportsbook to another. During college basketball season it was cold as heck so we were bundled up but that is the most important sport of all to get the best lines. The difference between giving -3.5 and -4.5, for example, is massive. Nobody could afford to be lazy at that time of year. Consequently we'd all be out there at the same time. And that is what we looked like when we were in our 30s. It was instantly recognizable. Years ago I sent the photo -- minus any description -- to two Las Vegas buddies of mine from that era. When I asked for an age estimate both came back with 30s.

The release of the video should have provided greater clarity. That effortless high knee bend and cross step to the left. That's a younger guy.

That is what I have always seen.
MOO a younger male making a crossover step as in you aren't getting by memewhile, while glancing at the other victim from under his brow.
MOO the legs and his shoes seem young.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I said I was going into lurk mode again but now that I have read everything I could about the murders of Abby and Libby, I know what I think.

The person in the bridge video (in my opinion) is older. The second sketch featuring a much younger looking person is not the same person as is in the video. The voice in the recording is that of a person older than that of the second sketch. They are not the same.

Keep in mind that this is all just my opinion. If a young person had any choice at all, he would not be wearing those clothes. Loose 'Dad jeans' and a nondescript jacket just doesn't seem to fit with what the young looking guy with the curly hair in the second sketch would wear. That jacket looks like a part of a uniform before the logo would be placed on it. These jackets are available in uniform catalogs.

I would love for Chadwell to be the murderer, but I don't think he is. Chadwell is a sorry and responsible for what he is being charged with (and probably many more similar crimes). He is a disgusting animal to have done what he was caught doing to an innocent child. There's no allegedly to it, he was caught red-handed.

That brings me to this point of my opinion. I think the murderer WAS in the room at the press conference. He is still in the area and in plain sight and everyone knows him. I believe he helped in the search for Libby and Abby.

I think it is time LE let go of a little more information. They can keep the COD and the details of exactly what was done to them confidential and still do justice for the victims and their families. It is time.

Long winded but I just needed to say these things. I also have to say that I do wish it was Chadwell because he is already in custody and will be for a very long time.

MOO

 

[Falling Down]

This is perhaps the most surprising aspect of the case, IMO. I can't see an older guy no matter what source I use -- video or still frames -- nor any state of mind. I can be overjoyed. He looks 30s. I can be drunk out of my mind. He's 30s. I can be losing tons of money in the stock market like this week. He's 30s.

For the life of me I don't see how anything can be interpreted as an older guy. My initial impression in 2017 was 32-36. I assumed that would be the consensus. Then I was flabbergasted with so many assertions of older. Nowadays if anything I would prefer younger than my original estimate, with starting point in high 20s. I wouldn't be shocked at younger than that. I would be virtually speechless at considerably older.

I think it stems from my decades in Las Vegas. The sports betting realm is virtually all males and we competed against each other for betting lines, etc. Every afternoon we'd be trudging the Strip from one sportsbook to another. During college basketball season it was cold as heck so we were bundled up but that is the most important sport of all to get the best lines. The difference between giving -3.5 and -4.5, for example, is massive. Nobody could afford to be lazy at that time of year. Consequently we'd all be out there at the same time. And that is what we looked like when we were in our 30s. It was instantly recognizable. Years ago I sent the photo -- minus any description -- to two Las Vegas buddies of mine from that era. When I asked for an age estimate both came back with 30s.

The release of the video should have provided greater clarity. That effortless high knee bend and cross step to the left. That's a younger guy.

My age range is 28-maybe 40.

The "Guys" comment to me indicates a young man. I believe this individual was disguised that day during some of the time in question. Also his movements scream "young", to me.

He could have gotten his clothing from any number of sources in that area, people have asked about flea markets and whatnot. I've been down there quite a bit, there are flea markets, including one big one in Kokomo.

JMO

 

[Finlay]

My opinion is based on the video. I see the face of someone who is at least 50 years old with sagging cheeks and older face. The clothing looks to me like the clothes a refrigerated truck driver would wear. The bridge guy having his hands in his pockets could indicate something wrong with his hands and not being useful. Junior high teenage girls are of that age where someone who looks strange to them could give them bad vibes. I think there could be something strange about how this man looks that made the girls uneasy. I think that could have something to do with his face or his hands.

I think LE is wrong about the sketches, about him being local, about him being 18 -40 and appearing younger than his real age. LE follows their opinion of who they think bridge guy is based on how they interpret the evidence. I have my opinion of who I think bridge guy is.

If others do not think that about LE, that is ok. That is their opinion.

I appreciate your opinion, but also, I have to say: It seems like you are overriding the perspective of many trained LEOs, forensic specialists, investigators, and (likely) video/audio experts, and are replacing their findings with your own "gut feelings" that are derived from a very short "video" (really not much more than what I believe are a few still frames that have been "stabilized" & reoriented" to appear as level & "free flowing" as they can). So, based on all that, I find it a little harder to discount their findings so easily.
...but that is why we are here at WS, and what makes this such a great site. It is good to hear varying opinions - even if they do not at all align with our own!

(Edited by me to remove a dbl post. Removed an initial response that just didn't come across as what I intended to say.)

 

[LaLaw2000]

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THIS ^^^
I have to say, this honestly does NOT go with my original POI thoughts however, I have learned to take my blinders off and think outside my box.
Especially now with JBC arrested....who knows what clothes he had access to when he got out of prison after 10+ yrs ???
We just don't know.

Referring to what you stated about the clothing after someone gets out of prison after having served 10+ years, every jail and prison has a 'clothing room'. When booked in, the clothing is placed in a bag with their name on it. Sometimes they do not want the clothing they came in with and it is given to someone getting out who doesn't have anything to wear. There winds up being quite an array of clothing left behind. Their clothing bag will follow them even if they get transferred from one facility to another or one prison to another. Chadwell's clothing would be there when he got out but probably wouldn't fit anymore, so he gets whatever they give him to be released in.

Also, after 10+ years of being incarcerated and eating starchy prison food, they will not be the same size they were when they came in. He would have access to whatever leftover clothing there might be in the 'clothing room'.

So there's that as well as Salvation Army, Goodwill, and so forth where you just can't be picky.

MOO

 

[Barbieshell]

But is it weird that we haven't heard any press reports of any LE activity at his house? I haven't seen video of them coming out with evidence bags or any of the things I've seen from media filming other high profile searches.

If so that IS odd, there surely must have been and if not someone has dropped a massive clanger.

 

[FromGermany1]

O/T but not so o/t, because we brainstormed re BG perhaps wearing a mask, while on the bridge ......



I just found on Fb. this pic above with the news, this man broke into homes and had the pictured mask plus wig on him. When police wondered about the perp's always opened mouth on different surveillance pics, they finally had the idea, the perp might wear a mask ..... (read only 1, 2 sentences -techn. problems- and don't know more to it).

 

[FromGermany1]

The release of the video should have provided greater clarity. That effortless high knee bend and cross step to the left. That's a younger guy.

.... and reminds me of a soccer or football player, at least should be his hobby. What do you think (and your buddies)? - With your estimation of BG's age I agree nearly 100%.