Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #135

[LaLaw2000]

.... and reminds me of a soccer or football player, at least should be his hobby. What do you think (and your buddies)? - With your estimation of BG's age I agree nearly 100%.

OR, if you ever lived in the country it would be called 'that barnyard walk'. (So as not to step into anything. LOL!)

 

[FromGermany1]

True. But its not conclusive that the clothes match the age. They might or might not.
MOO lack of DNA at the scene could be luck or may indicate preparation.
Criminals prepare not to leave DNA. They share rheir tips in prison, such as wearing overclothes.

MOO, the shoes dont match the clothes , they look like motorcycle shoes, favored by a younger age group.

I agree with you on the shoes. I think of special shoes for special sports, but I never found out, which sport. The shoes had to be light, elastic and suitable for fast running, maybe also waterproof, I think. It's partly the impression, when seeing him walking.

 

[Ozoner]

The bridge guy having his hands in his pockets could indicate something wrong with his hands and not being useful.

Snipped. That part is a real stretch.

There's nothing wrong with my hands, and I walk with my hands in my pocket just like Bridge Guy does. Most men that I know do—if they're not carrying anything. Maybe it's a midwestern thing.

 

[Ozoner]

While I think we can agree to disagree that 90% of men 30-50 dress like old men, we’re really discussing JBC as BG and there are 0 pics of him dressed like BG.

He dresses more like a teenager or college student. If I passed him on the street, my estimate of his age would be way low.

 

[taylorss]

He dresses more like a teenager or college student. If I passed him on the street, my estimate of his age would be way low.

BJC does? Yeah what little I saw, he looked like ‘Ed Hardy’ style. But of course, as said here, his SM pics are curated.

On how old etc he looks, there were 3-4 vid stills released & only one IMO where you can see what he looks like really at all. The others are too shadowed for the camera to catch detail & then blowing them up for release meant that pixel-sized missing info became a distorted presentation IMO.

I wonder if you all who think he looks old are looking at a different pic than the one I focused on??

unfortunately I can’t seem to post pics here, but here’s a link w two of the stills. The first one (on the left) where he’s stepped more into the light is the one I look at - pics are like halfway down the page right under “the evidence in the case”

3 years unsolved: A look back at the Delphi murder case

 

[SMK777]

I am sure they have done this.
They will get all phone, electronics devices, games, computers, etc that they can find.
It takes a long time to go through all of these devices so we have to just be patient and wait for them to do their due diligence.
LE only get ONE shot at it.
It needs to be the right one.

Considering the abduction and assault of the 9 year old in his basement, I assumed they would search that thoroughly (to find evidence perhaps of prior abductions) as well as the entire house, garage, car (if he had these last 2). Abduction and Attempted murder of a juvenile should be a huge deal.

 

[SMK777]

This is perhaps the most surprising aspect of the case, IMO. I can't see an older guy no matter what source I use -- video or still frames -- nor any state of mind. I can be overjoyed. He looks 30s. I can be drunk out of my mind. He's 30s. I can be losing tons of money in the stock market like this week. He's 30s.

For the life of me I don't see how anything can be interpreted as an older guy. My initial impression in 2017 was 32-36. I assumed that would be the consensus. Then I was flabbergasted with so many assertions of older. Nowadays if anything I would prefer younger than my original estimate, with starting point in high 20s. I wouldn't be shocked at younger than that. I would be virtually speechless at considerably older.

I think it stems from my decades in Las Vegas. The sports betting realm is virtually all males and we competed against each other for betting lines, etc. Every afternoon we'd be trudging the Strip from one sportsbook to another. During college basketball season it was cold as heck so we were bundled up but that is the most important sport of all to get the best lines. The difference between giving -3.5 and -4.5, for example, is massive. Nobody could afford to be lazy at that time of year. Consequently we'd all be out there at the same time. And that is what we looked like when we were in our 30s. It was instantly recognizable. Years ago I sent the photo -- minus any description -- to two Las Vegas buddies of mine from that era. When I asked for an age estimate both came back with 30s.

The release of the video should have provided greater clarity. That effortless high knee bend and cross step to the left. That's a younger guy.

Extremely interesting! Thanks for this information.

 

[sandy_80]

My opinion is based on the video. I see the face of someone who is at least 50 years old with sagging cheeks and older face. The clothing looks to me like the clothes a refrigerated truck driver would wear. The bridge guy having his hands in his pockets could indicate something wrong with his hands and not being useful. Junior high teenage girls are of that age where someone who looks strange to them could give them bad vibes. I think there could be something strange about how this man looks that made the girls uneasy. I think that could have something to do with his face or his hands.

I think LE is wrong about the sketches, about him being local, about him being 18 -40 and appearing younger than his real age. LE follows their opinion of who they think bridge guy is based on how they interpret the evidence. I have my opinion of who I think bridge guy is.

If others do not think that about LE, that is ok. That is their opinion.

you are right about sagging cheeks.. someone with tighter skin wouldnt have that look....but that doesn't necessarily puts him at over 50 tho .. he could still be in his mid 40s or even younger..
however the new dude has very clear and tight skin and def looks younger than 40 ...I agree looks younger than his age doesnt make sense cause they dont know his age in the first place

 

[SMK777]

Just more “grist for the mill”:
As LE has always believed that the BG footage on the tracks = the killer, then we can safely assume that that footage takes precedent over any witness descriptions and composite sketches. Because the killer was captured right on Libby’s phone camera. It doesn’t get much better than that.

Therefore, in relation to Chadwell being possibly linked to the Delphi murders, LE and FBI certainly must be comparing Chadwell to that footage, and trying to ascertain if it’s a “match”.

 

[taylorss]

you are right about sagging cheeks.. someone with tighter skin wouldnt have that look....but that doesn't necessarily puts him at over 50 tho .. he could still be in his mid 40s or even younger..
however the new dude has very clear and tight skin and def looks younger than 40 ...I agree looks younger than his age doesnt make sense cause they dont know his age in the first place

En re sagging cheeks - IMO only in the shadowed & therefore distorted pics though! Actually I’d say the appearance is more sunken than sagging, but in any case IMO it’s created by the lack of light in all but one of the pics.

in the one pic I keep posting about, the one that’s IMO the clearest (with the most natural light) you can sorta see the outline of his cheek-to-jawline not shadowed & at least IMO the shape is def not of an old man. It’s a outward curve (not drooping, so not old) hitting peak fullness below facial midline (so a grown adult, not a teen) - JMO & of course all from staring & squinting at a pic that can hardly been see anyway .......

Eta deleted random words i wrote in there for some reason

 

[SMK777]

BJC does? Yeah what little I saw, he looked like ‘Ed Hardy’ style. But of course, as said here, his SM pics are curated.

On how old etc he looks, there were 3-4 vid stills released & only one IMO where you can see what he looks like really at all. The others are too shadowed for the camera to catch detail & then blowing them up for release meant that pixel-sized missing info became a distorted presentation IMO.

I wonder if you all who think he looks old are looking at a different pic than the one I focused on??

unfortunately I can’t seem to post pics here, but here’s a link w two of the stills. The first one (on the left) where he’s stepped more into the light is the one I look at - pics are like halfway down the page right under “the evidence in the case”

3 years unsolved: A look back at the Delphi murder case

Thanks for linking. Yes, when you scroll down the page and they have the young composite sketch next to the BG tracks footage-images, the face doesn’t seem to match the images of the man walking at all.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Just more “grist for the mill”:
As LE has always believed that the BG footage on the tracks = the killer, then we can safely assume that that footage takes precedent over any witness descriptions and composite sketches. Because the killer was captured right on Libby’s phone camera. It doesn’t get much better than that.

Therefore, in relation to Chadwell being possibly linked to the Delphi murders, LE and FBI certainly must be comparing Chadwell to that footage, and trying to ascertain if it’s a “match”.

Great post in my opinion, SMK777! Eyewitnesses can be notoriously wrong at times. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but a video is better.

The two sketches are so extremely different, IMO. Too different. I just don't think it could be the same person even if he did shave.

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Thanks for linking. Yes, when you scroll down the page and they have the young composite sketch next to the BG tracks footage-images, the face doesn’t seem to match the images of the man walking at all.

When the two still frames below were released a few days apart early on, many ppl here speculated they didn’t look like the same person, although we know otherwise. The photo on the left appears to depict a far younger person than the person on the right.

However neither photo clearly reveals facial features nor have LE ever asked the public to focus on the face in the photo. They were released in hopes somebody might recognize the image of the man as a whole.

Apparently both NASA and Disney assisted in clarifying the photo and according to GH, the video was taken by Libby at a distance of about 80 feet. So it’s possible the photos were so low in quality that the work to clarify them gave the suspect an appearance of a face. If the facial features were believed to be recognizable, there’d have been no reason for LE to release sketches. JMO


3 years unsolved: A look back at the Delphi murder case

 

[Questions123]

LE is privy to the crime scene and we are not. I tend to believe the age range of 18-40 and I don't think that was decided on a whim but witness accounts and profiling from the type of crime scene.

With regards to the clothing style being more likely to be worn by an older male perhaps he borrowed/took his fathers clothing? The legs really don't fill out the jeans and I tend to believe there is no hat and it is a hoodie over the head. Over time what I think I see changes. Rumours from witness accounts never mention a hat? I believe the witness that did recanted? All hearsay and not from LE of course.

It's very hard to say it's an old person for certain and LE is wrong when the video is so blurry. Imo.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Just more “grist for the mill”:
As LE has always believed that the BG footage on the tracks = the killer, then we can safely assume that that footage takes precedent over any witness descriptions and composite sketches. Because the killer was captured right on Libby’s phone camera. It doesn’t get much better than that.

Therefore, in relation to Chadwell being possibly linked to the Delphi murders, LE and FBI certainly must be comparing Chadwell to that footage, and trying to ascertain if it’s a “match”.

I agree with you. The video image is very blurry of course which is why BG hasn’t been identified yet and why we still discuss it. Back in February around the anniversary, I think in the HLN special, LE said they were still combing the video for “items”(or some word like that), to be used at trial. I liked hearing that. It made me think there is more to that video than we know.

 

[Inthedetails]

I never said everyone dressed alike. I never said I’ve seen the entirety of JBCs wardrobe, I said BG looks old based on his clothing. That’s my opinion and I’ll stand by it. I also said JBC doesn’t dress like BG in any of the pics I’ve seen.

People don't usually post photos of themselves that are unflattering. Don't most of us post only the good-looking selfies?

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

IKR ??
It's like Indiana has this huge "HUSH" code or something.
Like the town of Delphi
I say, good on them, but inquiring minds need to know.
(like us) LOL
Hopefully we will hear something soon.

So true! All of this.

 

[SMK777]

Great post in my opinion, SMK777! Eyewitnesses can be notoriously wrong at times. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but a video is better.

The two sketches are so extremely different, IMO. Too different. I just don't think it could be the same person even if he did shave.

JMO

Thanks Yes, the 2 sketches were always extremely confusing because they looked so dissimilar, and the young one appeared to clash with the video.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I certainly not saying LE is wrong, but there is something more going on, IMO.

 

[CurlyQ]

Referring to what you stated about the clothing after someone gets out of prison after having served 10+ years, every jail and prison has a 'clothing room'. When booked in, the clothing is placed in a bag with their name on it. Sometimes they do not want the clothing they came in with and it is given to someone getting out who doesn't have anything to wear. There winds up being quite an array of clothing left behind. Their clothing bag will follow them even if they get transferred from one facility to another or one prison to another. Chadwell's clothing would be there when he got out but probably wouldn't fit anymore, so he gets whatever they give him to be released in.

Also, after 10+ years of being incarcerated and eating starchy prison food, they will not be the same size they were when they came in. He would have access to whatever leftover clothing there might be in the 'clothing room'.

So there's that as well as Salvation Army, Goodwill, and so forth where you just can't be picky.

MOO

In Illinois, one does not go directly to prison; they are typically jailed first and whatever county jail they are in is where their clothing is. A family member (or whoever prisoner approves) then needs to pick up personal belongings within 10 days of transfer to prison or prison reception center.
They are released from prison in sweatpants and a white t-shirt (unless winter, then sweatshirt is provided).