Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #4 *ARREST*

[Tortoise]

This interview with C's father made me feel so sad he wishes he could have blown B's lying head off! How on Earth it must feel to have felt you were grieving with your son in law only to find he did it and is now discrediting her. The pain of knowing her last months even were so unhappy

Caroline Crouch's father wishes he'd 'blown head off' killer husband | Daily Mail Online

I agree that B reminds me so much of Grace Millane's killer. Dissociates from reality, easy and fantastical pathological lies, superficially charming, a penchant for the materialistic and living beyond their means....

and ultimately gratified by power over vulnerable creatures. The thing that really disturbs me about B though is the puppy ... strangling during sex is sexual, B says C was a crime of passion...but the puppy....that was cold blooded and dangerous. And now we are finding out C's death was just as pre meditated too.

Completely cowardly too, ambushing a sleeping person, in their deep sleep, because he knew she would be at her most vulnerable and had no defences. Two defenceless innocents, no physical threat to anyone, it's vengeful, cold-blooded and dangerous, she had seen through him as soon as the honeymoon was over. Not seen him as a murderer, but as someone unable to love and connect, only able to mimic acts of love - love-bombing. IMO. A man who kills like that could never be triggered by passion - he has ice in his veins, he's modelling it on other husband-killer defences. For him it was only getting rid of what no longer served his interests, settling the argument by cowardly elimination, and she meant nothing to him when he crept into her bed and pounced in the dark, gripping her while she struggled for her life breath.

A dangerous ice-blooded killing machine. The deed was just a few hours of unpleasant work I'm sure, not something that will haunt him.

MOO

 

[Dotta]

Has the toxicology report been published yet? I read some opinions that instead of sleeping C might have been drugged.

 

[Lola68]

Caroline Crouch's father wishes he'd 'blown head off' killer husband | Daily Mail Online

C's dad:

"When I found out later, my one regret was that I hadn't known when he was here,' he told The Sun.

'I would have blown his *advertiser censored**ing lying head right off his shoulders and willingly taken the consequences."

Do we have any intel re C's relationship with her father? According to the 'therapist', C didn't want to tell her mother about B being dangerous because she didn't want to let her down. What about her dad - was she worried about letting him down?

 

[tayaway]

Here's a solution, put B in the same holding area as the other killers awaiting sentencing. Or, maybe, since he feels he's done no wrong in killing to 'protect' his baby, put him in with the Georgian who was tortured in the attempt to be a scapegoat for B.

 

[Dotta]

The cost of the lot was 55K. So why did B mention 80K being at home a few days before the murder? And additional 10K the robbers took?

 

[Wishingwell]

The parents of the 32-year-old pilot today started to give the baby to the parents of the murdered 20-year-old.

As "Proino" reported, without showing any shots from the moments, respecting the situation, a few minutes after 9 in the morning, Babis Anagnostopoulos' brother, Fotis, together with his mother and little Lydia, left the house. in Agia Paraskevi, got in the car and left in an unknown direction, apparently to meet Susan Crouch, Caroline's mom, in order to hand over the child to her.

Journalists tried to talk to Babis Anagnostopoulos' brother and mother, but neither of them wanted to answer questions.
It is worth noting that according to the show, more than 5,000 families have expressed interest in adopting little Lydia.

It is recalled that the temporary custody of little Lydia was assigned to Caroline's family with the prosecutor's order to remove parental care from the 32-year-old husband-killer, whom he characterizes as "a person completely devoid of moral inhibitions".

According to the confession of Caroline's murderer, he went so far as to victimize even a one-year-old baby by choosing to leave it on the lifeless body of his mother.

The multi-page prosecutorial order establishes step by step the reasoning with which the parental responsibility of the perpetrator of the crime has been completely removed, which has shocked the public with the prosecutor emphasizing the fact that the 32-year-old has already been deprived of his liberty as a temporary detainee. is not objectively able to take care of his minor daughter, that at the level of serious evidence of guilt he has criminal conduct and at the level of serious evidence of guilt he is said to have committed the crime of intentional homicide against a member of his family and in front of another and that of a minor.

It is also emphasized that according to the new law on joint custody, which will enter into force from the new judicial year, on 16-9-2021, conviction of the parent, with a final court decision, for domestic violence constitutes a bad exercise of parental care .

In the prosecutor's judgment, he counted even beyond the cruelty of the act itself attributed to him (homicide against his young wife at the time the victim could not resist and recently a mother in front of his minor child), that the accused showed analgesia, composure and apathy and immediately and systematically carried out a methodical action to cover up his crime, in order to avoid punishment, trying to mislead the authorities, not hesitating to commit another crime (murder of a pet) but also other misdemeanors afterwards (false statements to the authorities, situation other suspects) but also treating even his minor child (about 11 months old at the time), which he placed on the lifeless body of his mother, until the arrival of the Police, as part of the directing of a place of deadly robbery, making him also a victim crime of domestic violence ,.
Γλυκά Νερά: Συγκίνηση - Πάνω 5.000 οικογένειες ήθελαν να υιοθετήσουν την μικρή Λυδία - TheCaller

 

[everybodhi]

snip
It doesn't necessarily mean he's getting special treatment. It's probably like being placed in jail, or a holding facility, while waiting for trial. Once he's convicted they will likely place him in the appropriate facility. IMO

Greek pilot who 'murdered' British wife pictured in maximum security prison
Photos published in the Greek media on Saturday show the inside of his cell, which comes with a toilet and shower, along with a TV, set of furniture and a large window.

Fellow inmates at Korydallos are said to be furious at the perceived soft treatment he has received in an ‘exclusive’ section

Prisoners on other wings are said to languish in conditions described as ‘degrading’ and ‘inhuman’.

One prison warden was quoted telling Greek TV: ‘It’s as if he’s at home and enjoying his life. There is a lot of anger at the luxury he is getting.’

 

[everybodhi]

snip
Do we have any intel re C's relationship with her father? According to the 'therapist', C didn't want to tell her mother about B being dangerous because she didn't want to let her down. What about her dad - was she worried about letting him down?

Only this:

Liverpool born David, 78, said his daughter was ‘not just academically brilliant, she was also a wonderful sportswoman’.
He added: ‘From learning to swim at an early age, she went on to qualify as a scuba diver in open water diving – her only disappointment being that she couldn’t gain her instructors certificate because she was under eighteen at the time.
She competed in 10km road races here on the island and could run the legs off most of the boys of her age. A keen kick-boxer, she terrified the life out of me – although I can say, hand on heart, in all our time together we never had a cross word.’"

Greek pilot accused of killing British wife wears bulletproof vest in court

 

[Dotta]

The parents of the 32-year-old pilot today started to give the baby to the parents of the murdered 20-year-old.

As "Proino" reported, without showing any shots from the moments, respecting the situation, a few minutes after 9 in the morning, Babis Anagnostopoulos' brother, Fotis, together with his mother and little Lydia, left the house. in Agia Paraskevi, got in the car and left in an unknown direction, apparently to meet Susan Crouch, Caroline's mom, in order to hand over the child to her.

Journalists tried to talk to Babis Anagnostopoulos' brother and mother, but neither of them wanted to answer questions.
It is worth noting that according to the show, more than 5,000 families have expressed interest in adopting little Lydia.

It is recalled that the temporary custody of little Lydia was assigned to Caroline's family with the prosecutor's order to remove parental care from the 32-year-old husband-killer, whom he characterizes as "a person completely devoid of moral inhibitions".

According to the confession of Caroline's murderer, he went so far as to victimize even a one-year-old baby by choosing to leave it on the lifeless body of his mother.

The multi-page prosecutorial order establishes step by step the reasoning with which the parental responsibility of the perpetrator of the crime has been completely removed, which has shocked the public with the prosecutor emphasizing the fact that the 32-year-old has already been deprived of his liberty as a temporary detainee. is not objectively able to take care of his minor daughter, that at the level of serious evidence of guilt he has criminal conduct and at the level of serious evidence of guilt he is said to have committed the crime of intentional homicide against a member of his family and in front of another and that of a minor.

It is also emphasized that according to the new law on joint custody, which will enter into force from the new judicial year, on 16-9-2021, conviction of the parent, with a final court decision, for domestic violence constitutes a bad exercise of parental care .

In the prosecutor's judgment, he counted even beyond the cruelty of the act itself attributed to him (homicide against his young wife at the time the victim could not resist and recently a mother in front of his minor child), that the accused showed analgesia, composure and apathy and immediately and systematically carried out a methodical action to cover up his crime, in order to avoid punishment, trying to mislead the authorities, not hesitating to commit another crime (murder of a pet) but also other misdemeanors afterwards (false statements to the authorities, situation other suspects) but also treating even his minor child (about 11 months old at the time), which he placed on the lifeless body of his mother, until the arrival of the Police, as part of the directing of a place of deadly robbery, making him also a victim crime of domestic violence ,.
Γλυκά Νερά: Συγκίνηση - Πάνω 5.000 οικογένειες ήθελαν να υιοθετήσουν την μικρή Λυδία - TheCaller

Bravo for the Prosecutor! I believed in wisdom of the Court 5000 families ready to adopt baby L? WOW! There are so many good and sensitive people.

 

[everybodhi]

The cost of the lot was 55K. So why did B mention 80K being at home a few days before the murder? And additional 10K the robbers took?

Maybe he had inflated the price to get more money gifted from her parents?

 

[Estelle]

Caroline's mother now has little Lydia in her arms.

According to information from T-live, at around 11.20 a one-year-old girl was handed over by Mrs. Babis Anagnostopoulos's mother and brother to Mrs. Susanna. As it was broadcast, a whole business was set up in order for the baby to be in Caroline's family, as they do not want any publicity (but there is a photo of her on this link nevertheless).

The delivery to Susanna Krauts took place in a neutral environment.

Γλυκά Νερά: Στην αγκαλιά της Σουζάνα Κράουτς η μικρή Λυδία - TheCaller

 

[tayaway]

If you watch or see the pics showing C's mother heading to pick up the baby while B's mother and brother start out to deliver her, you'll notice a glaring difference in income brackets, between C's family (wealthy) and B's (middle class). Certainly B saw C as a mark to milk, which he did (money for plot of land, monthly 1K euro, ..) .

 

[Estelle]

The parents of the 32-year-old pilot today started to give the baby to the parents of the murdered 20-year-old.

As "Proino" reported, without showing any shots from the moments, respecting the situation, a few minutes after 9 in the morning, Babis Anagnostopoulos' brother, Fotis, together with his mother and little Lydia, left the house. in Agia Paraskevi, got in the car and left in an unknown direction, apparently to meet Susan Crouch, Caroline's mom, in order to hand over the child to her.

Journalists tried to talk to Babis Anagnostopoulos' brother and mother, but neither of them wanted to answer questions.
It is worth noting that according to the show, more than 5,000 families have expressed interest in adopting little Lydia.

It is recalled that the temporary custody of little Lydia was assigned to Caroline's family with the prosecutor's order to remove parental care from the 32-year-old husband-killer, whom he characterizes as "a person completely devoid of moral inhibitions".

According to the confession of Caroline's murderer, he went so far as to victimize even a one-year-old baby by choosing to leave it on the lifeless body of his mother.

The multi-page prosecutorial order establishes step by step the reasoning with which the parental responsibility of the perpetrator of the crime has been completely removed, which has shocked the public with the prosecutor emphasizing the fact that the 32-year-old has already been deprived of his liberty as a temporary detainee. is not objectively able to take care of his minor daughter, that at the level of serious evidence of guilt he has criminal conduct and at the level of serious evidence of guilt he is said to have committed the crime of intentional homicide against a member of his family and in front of another and that of a minor.

It is also emphasized that according to the new law on joint custody, which will enter into force from the new judicial year, on 16-9-2021, conviction of the parent, with a final court decision, for domestic violence constitutes a bad exercise of parental care .

In the prosecutor's judgment, he counted even beyond the cruelty of the act itself attributed to him (homicide against his young wife at the time the victim could not resist and recently a mother in front of his minor child), that the accused showed analgesia, composure and apathy and immediately and systematically carried out a methodical action to cover up his crime, in order to avoid punishment, trying to mislead the authorities, not hesitating to commit another crime (murder of a pet) but also other misdemeanors afterwards (false statements to the authorities, situation other suspects) but also treating even his minor child (about 11 months old at the time), which he placed on the lifeless body of his mother, until the arrival of the Police, as part of the directing of a place of deadly robbery, making him also a victim crime of domestic violence ,.
Γλυκά Νερά: Συγκίνηση - Πάνω 5.000 οικογένειες ήθελαν να υιοθετήσουν την μικρή Λυδία - TheCaller

BBM It is also emphasized that according to the new law on joint custody, which will enter into force from the new judicial year, on 16-9-2021, conviction of the parent, with a final court decision, for domestic violence constitutes a bad exercise of parental care .

Therefore, I doubt whether B or his parents will ever have custody or ever see his daughter again.

 

[Dotta]

If you watch or see the pics showing C's mother heading to pick up the baby while B's mother and brother start out to deliver her, you'll notice a glaring difference in income brackets, between C's family (wealthy) and B's (middle class). Certainly B saw C as a market to milk, which he did (money for plot of land, monthly 1K euro, ..) .

It might be that C parents wanted to support her while she was studying, hence 1000 Euros a month - for their daughter.

 

[Estelle]

Maybe he had inflated the price to get more money gifted from her parents?

Yes. Can you imagine if you asked your spouse's parents, "I only have 5,000 euros and can get a loan for 160,000 euros but I want to buy a plot of land and build a house on it, so can you give me the rest?" C's parents must have given him 65,000 euros at least and his parents gave him about 15,000 euros." Oh! That adds up to 80,000 euros!

 

[Estelle]

It might be that C parents wanted to support her while she was studying, hence 1000 Euros a month - for their daughter.

Yes maybe that was C's money only as she was not working.

 

[Wishingwell]

Caroline's mother now has little Lydia in her arms.

According to information from T-live, at around 11.20 a one-year-old girl was handed over by Mrs. Babis Anagnostopoulos's mother and brother to Mrs. Susanna. As it was broadcast, a whole business was set up in order for the baby to be in Caroline's family, as they do not want any publicity (but there is a photo of her on this link nevertheless).

The delivery to Susanna Krauts took place in a neutral environment.

Γλυκά Νερά: Στην αγκαλιά της Σουζάνα Κράουτς η μικρή Λυδία - TheCaller

That first sentence ‘Caroline’s mother now has little L in her arms’ has brought me to tears. Bless her.

 

[Dotta]

If you watch or see the pics showing C's mother heading to pick up the baby while B's mother and brother start out to deliver her, you'll notice a glaring difference in income brackets, between C's family (wealthy) and B's (middle class). Certainly B saw C as a mark to milk, which he did (money for plot of land, monthly 1K euro, ..) .

B mother is/was a teacher. You surely know teachers dont "earn coconuts" (Polish saying again haha)

 

[Estelle]

I just read that it is 43 degrees in Athens today so "cold" B might be hotting up a bit in the prison while he feeds the kittens, does the cleaning and acts as a clerk. He's lucky as he at least has a window in his cell.

I also just read that he bought the plot of land only 6 days before he murdered C.

So mission accomplished - find a young innocent girl, marry her, get her pregnant, demand that her parents pay her 250 euros per week as she is not working, isolate her from family and friends, surveille her every move both inside and outside the house, find a plot of land and a project house, get a loan for 160,000 euros, demand that both parents contribute to it as you only have 5,000 euros then 6 days later, murder your wife, put your baby on top of her when she's dead to keep it quiet, murder the puppy, then tell everyone that robbers took the 80,000 euros that parents had given you and killed you wife and puppy so that you can live in the house in your own name with only a 5,000 euros contribution and add a swimming pool - all in a few years!
Fait d'accompli!

 

[tayaway]

B mother is/was a teacher. You surely know teachers dont "earn coconuts" (Polish saying again haha)

You made me google something! Argh. Apparently Polish idioms are the best of any culture, but what does it mean??? Here, in Canada, and the US, teachers make jack all.