Anything is possible. I did not know about the bartender witness. I did not follow this case as it happened in June 2011. I remembered it from the news because I remember it was a big story not too long after Holly Bobo and thought I would take a look at it. If Lauren Spierer was placed outside of the apartments she left that night, why is there still so much suspicion surrounding those friends of hers?
It could possibly be the same man, but as you wrote, the cameras would have picked up any vehicles circling the area that night. Wouldn't they have picked up DM's vehicle too?
It seems strange too that DM would leave Hannah Graham in such an open noticeable place, yet obviously would have to have found a very good spot to hide Lauren Spierer's body(if she is deceased). And the Graham case happened in 2015, after the Spierer case. Is it possible in the Spierer case from 2011 DM did not use a car and came up with the perfect place to hide a body, yet in 2015 did use a car and left the body out in the open? Yes it is possible, but in my opinion, that is why I have a hard time believing it is probably the same man.
But when you have no idea what happened anything is possible and any theory is out on the table to be discussed. I only hope someday the police will release the rest of the video surveillance from that night and let us armchair detectives take a look at it. Maybe there is something we or someone else from the Bloomington, Indiana area see that can help solve the case?
Its Hannah WILSON, not Graham. That's another case.
When starting into a cold case like Laurens, its a good idea to
read through the threads. Members like BTown and Vidocq and others including myself have tracked down and documented every camera, which way they pointed, etc. We might have the most accurate record of these cameras, because now most of the cameras are gone as the entire area has been renovated.
We figured out the areas Lauren could be removed from and there were several large areas missing cameras, this we checked and tripled and quadrupled checked. Again, using the map if you look to the NW that's where, right out of the back parking lot behind 5N, no camera.
Many of the news stories were inaccurate. Her friends and acquaintances were obviously lying about many things.
The bar witness was not someone who rushed to LE to report seeing Lauren abducted. She was seen circling the building during the timeline Lauren went missing and hauled in for questioning and is most likely still a poi in the case. She actually admitted seeing Lauren fall and get picked up and carried up the STREET. Approx an hour earlier, she also fell and was half carried piggyback up the ALLEY by her date.
This is a big difference. The private investigators viewed the alley tape said that while Lauren was being carried piggyback, in the alley, she was very much alive. Then, bar witness said and hour later she saw Lauren free fall, was knocked out cold and picked up and carried up the street.
IMO either handed off to boyfriend fell (pushed?)and died or
before boyfriend arrived, DM knocked her down, grabbed her and carried right into the back parking lot behind 5N and out the northwest exit. no cameras.
IMO there are big lies with the 5N pois, which is why they make the perfect suspects. The drugs. They participated in what amounted to a stalking of a friend who ended up dead. and it was their fault even though they didn't actually kill her.
It was initially a group effort to keep her date out of her apt and if they hadn't done that, she would be alive today. I think people grossly underestimated how many hundreds of millions these people had collectively and how close their families were.
We were led to believe they were only casual friends and acquaintances and this was on purpose. For example the boyfriends family is worth over a hundred million dollars.
We traced the net worth of all concerned its impressive by anyone's standards. So, lying and conspiracy to hold and release Lauren, chasing Lauren back into the street, selling her the drugs, etc etc even if ultimately they get off, what a scandal for the businesses.
and before anyone says if they had so much money, why so much investigation of their kids, just look what they did they came in, effectively shut down even looking at certain witnesses such as DB. They did use their money and high powered lawyers to keep a gag order on LE and the evidence.
