Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #4 *ARREST*

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Another idea is that C should/could have gone to her doctor and reported B's treatment of her. Surely B would have asked his taxi driver to take her to her doctor. There would then be a report and she would have been given advice. C would have had to go to the doctor who delivered her baby or one to check on her baby's health. He would have been able to give her advice on her "postpartum depression" (which I think was really about the effects of B's abuse).

Well, no amount of coulda/woulda/shoulda is going to bring her back. Maybe we can focus on educating teens who still have a fighting chance? In C's murder case, we have to assume LE interviewed her gyno and the follow up nurses, ya?
 
Got it, here's the link! sigmalive July 26

She talked to Caroline on viber for more than an hour, mostly about animals. The girl seemed to be in the mood for a chat.

"The duration of the conversation and Caroline's appetite for conversation impressed me because usually the person in charge of child care was not able to have conversations of this length with me," said the neighbor.

She then said that the conversation was stopped on her own initiative. At 11pm and for the next half hour he watched Caroline from the kitchen window in her own kitchen.

Η ίδια συνομίλησε με την Καρολάιν στο viber για περισσότερο από μία ώρα, κυρίως για ζώα. Το κορίτσι φαινόταν να είχε διάθεση για κουβέντα.

«Η διάρκεια της συνομιλίας και η όρεξη που είχε η Καρολάιν για συνομιλία, μου έκανε εντύπωση γιατί συνήθως ούσα επιφορτισμένη με τη φροντίδα του παιδιού δεν ήταν σε θέση να έχει συνομιλίες τέτοιας διάρκειας μαζί μου» ανέφερε χαρακτηριστικά η γειτόνισσα.

Στη συνέχεια, είπε ότι σταμάτησε η συνομιλία με δική της πρωτοβουλία. Στις 11 το βράδυ και για την επόμενη μισή ώρα έβλεπε την Καρολάιν από το παράθυρο της κουζίνας να βρίσκεται στη δική της κουζίνα.

ETA: In order for the link to work, I had to shorten it to the root, which automatically takes you to the article. The 3 letters that are automatically blocked on websleuths are ***. (hooboy, I'm laughing too much at my own silly joke!)
The point is that the neighbour said C was in pleasant, chatty mood (23.00 hours) while B claimed she was angry and wanted to quarrel that night.
 
Well, no amount of coulda/woulda/shoulda is going to bring her back. Maybe we can focus on educating teens who still have a fighting chance? In C's murder case, we have to assume LE interviewed her gyno and the follow up nurses, ya?
Exactly! Education is the key! And it starts at home - school does what it can but it cant replace the parents.
 
Exactly! Education is the key! And it starts at home - school does what it can but it cant replace the parents.

I agree. My mother was street smart but she was overprotective with us. When I travelled to London in 1964, I had to learn the hard way - from experience. I was so ignorant. But luckily I also had common sense as I was abandoned by my cousin who stayed in Israel to marry and I had to travel alone at the age of 21yo to London.

Had C's parents allowed C to do whatever she wanted without question? Was C a rebellious teenager? Were they all too trusting? Life experience passed onto one's children is a great gift.
 
@tayaway What courage you had to be able to leave your partner with a baby.

In 2011, I had a house fire which burnt two bedrooms of my five bedroom house. I was lucky to escape. My sister asked her husband to help me to clean it up in preparation for the renovations so I gave him the house keys and $10,000 as I was traumatised and had been in hospital. However, the next day he demanded that I remove everything from my house and store it or he would destroy everything a few days later. I told him that was not necessary as only two bedrooms needed renovation. He repeated what he was going to do and said there was no negotiation. I went to the doctor and he gave me antidepressants. I was terrified of him and soon learnt that he had assumed that he was going to be the builder. I went to live with my mother. He came with a garbage truck and got these guys to remove everything on my front verandah - bbq, table chairs, pot plants ans then even took up the wooden verandah. I went to the police when they were doing this and asked them to come down and stop them but they refused as they said he was family. I could not even make a police report.

I told my mother and brother to phone him to stop him but they refused. I was terrified of him and thought he was mentally ill. My mother told me not to tell my sister as she would divorce him and he would commit suicide. In the following three months, he abused me emotionally, financially, verbally and physically. He renovated the whole house instead of just the two bedrooms and kept asking me for money in advance which I had to borrow. I felt I was stuck with him once I gave him the first $40,000 in advance before I realised what his agenda was. The total cost was $120,000 when it should have only cost about $50,000. At the end, I found out that he did not even have a current building licence

Just before Christmas that year, my sister asked me to thank him but I refused so she cut me out of the family and we are still estranged. In 2014, he committed suicide when I was in Alaska on a cruise. My brother told me later that her family blamed me for his death.

I reported him to police three times - the last time he assaulted me. I made a report and later they told me they had phoned him about it but he denied everything and that was it. Family members did not approve of my report a family member to police.

That is why I have this attitude that Police are not interested in reports of any type of abuse unless you can show them the evidence which has to be physical otherwise the perpetrator will deny it. It is the same with rape. The rapist claims it was consensual even if you have been given a rape drug. But how do you prove it?

Types of abuse in domestic and family violence

This website details all the types of abuse one can report. In C's case, it mainly appears to be:

Social abuse
  • isolation from family and friends such as ongoing rudeness to family and friends to alienate them, or limiting contact with family and friends
  • instigating and controlling the move to a location where the victim has no established social circle or work opportunities
  • restricting use of the car or telephone
  • forbidding or physically preventing the victim from going out and meeting people
Although the website above claims it is a crime, in practice, how would police have handled this?
They’re not always interested in physical evidence either, I had ribs and orbital fractures from an ex partner, he was allowed to phone me from prison, police wouldn’t listen to the recordings (after first telling me they didn’t exist, I phoned the prison myself and they did) because I might have “manipulated him into saying something that wasn’t true”. There was another count of assault from previously that was in the same set of charges as someone down my exes road had seen me run away from him with a bloody nose, as far as I know they didn’t even interview the woman then dropped those charges too. I honestly don’t know why, I never hit him back and I lack basic communication skills ( autism/ADHD) so I’m not exactly a master manipulator.

Caroline had some of the same challenges - once you’ve been labelled an unstable person and your abusive partner is the picture of concern, it doesn’t seem to matter who’s hitting who, because maybe he was pushed to it, etc. I don’t think it’s possible to save a life if they’re in a domestic violence situation, anyone that gets out does so based purely on luck - and it doesn’t seem like C’s family had much time for her, approving her marriage to the man who’d been obviously grooming her.
 
I agree. My mother was street smart but she was overprotective with us. When I travelled to London in 1964, I had to learn the hard way - from experience. I was so ignorant. But luckily I also had common sense as I was abandoned by my cousin who stayed in Israel to marry and I had to travel alone at the age of 21yo to London.

Had C's parents allowed C to do whatever she wanted without question? Was C a rebellious teenager? Were they all too trusting? Life experience passed onto one's children is a great gift.
The Golden Middle:) How hard to reach it:) By the way, what a coincidence! I also travelled to London (with a friend) at the age of 21 - I worked as an au pair for a year I took off university. I still love GB and British sense of humour!
 
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So... The neighbour claims that C was in good, chatty, pleasant mood that night at 11 pm, right? But the SMS messages obtained by police show that there was a bitter "phone" quarrel between C and B, with the now famous "stupid" word used by C. What time was it? Midnight? Sth happened after the chatter with a neighbour. They should have gone to sleep and resolve everything in the morning.
 
They’re not always interested in physical evidence either, I had ribs and orbital fractures from an ex partner, he was allowed to phone me from prison, police wouldn’t listen to the recordings (after first telling me they didn’t exist, I phoned the prison myself and they did) because I might have “manipulated him into saying something that wasn’t true”. There was another count of assault from previously that was in the same set of charges as someone down my exes road had seen me run away from him with a bloody nose, as far as I know they didn’t even interview the woman then dropped those charges too. I honestly don’t know why, I never hit him back and I lack basic communication skills ( autism/ADHD) so I’m not exactly a master manipulator.

Caroline had some of the same challenges - once you’ve been labelled an unstable person and your abusive partner is the picture of concern, it doesn’t seem to matter who’s hitting who, because maybe he was pushed to it, etc. I don’t think it’s possible to save a life if they’re in a domestic violence situation, anyone that gets out does so based purely on luck - and it doesn’t seem like C’s family had much time for her, approving her marriage to the man who’d been obviously grooming her.

Sorry to hear about your experiences. Yes, often the victim is blamed. They act as if you deserved the abuse!
 
They’re not always interested in physical evidence either, I had ribs and orbital fractures from an ex partner, he was allowed to phone me from prison, police wouldn’t listen to the recordings (after first telling me they didn’t exist, I phoned the prison myself and they did) because I might have “manipulated him into saying something that wasn’t true”. There was another count of assault from previously that was in the same set of charges as someone down my exes road had seen me run away from him with a bloody nose, as far as I know they didn’t even interview the woman then dropped those charges too. I honestly don’t know why, I never hit him back and I lack basic communication skills ( autism/ADHD) so I’m not exactly a master manipulator.

Caroline had some of the same challenges - once you’ve been labelled an unstable person and your abusive partner is the picture of concern, it doesn’t seem to matter who’s hitting who, because maybe he was pushed to it, etc. I don’t think it’s possible to save a life if they’re in a domestic violence situation, anyone that gets out does so based purely on luck - and it doesn’t seem like C’s family had much time for her, approving her marriage to the man who’d been obviously grooming her.
So sorry to hear about it:( That's why I think it is very important to go to hospital immediately after the attack to have a record/note issued by a doctor. I hope you live in peace now.
 
OK - I will tell you how a problem with DV is solved in my country. A family with DV gets a "Blue Card". This card may be started by: police, social worker, a teacher, etc. - sb who notices violence, abuse in the family. A victim doesnt need to give permission. If I, as a teacher, notice that a pupil is a victim of abuse, it is me who start the procedure of a "Blue Card". Local government is the legal body to organise the help. There is a meeting with a victim, then an abuser with a group of specialists who try to solve the problem. If the abuser is an alcoholic (which is often the problem), he is sent to therapy. If the problem is different (aggression that cant be controlled) he is also sent to therapy. The family is monitored by social workers all the time. The "Blue Card" is a clear signal, a warning to the abuser to change the behaviour. If not, then legal action is taken and a victim, especially kids get help. If the behaviour improves, there is no violence any more, then the Card is null. The aim of this system is to help the family to overcome problems. “Blue Card” Procedure
 
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They’re not always interested in physical evidence either, I had ribs and orbital fractures from an ex partner, he was allowed to phone me from prison, police wouldn’t listen to the recordings (after first telling me they didn’t exist, I phoned the prison myself and they did) because I might have “manipulated him into saying something that wasn’t true”. There was another count of assault from previously that was in the same set of charges as someone down my exes road had seen me run away from him with a bloody nose, as far as I know they didn’t even interview the woman then dropped those charges too. I honestly don’t know why, I never hit him back and I lack basic communication skills ( autism/ADHD) so I’m not exactly a master manipulator.

Caroline had some of the same challenges - once you’ve been labelled an unstable person and your abusive partner is the picture of concern, it doesn’t seem to matter who’s hitting who, because maybe he was pushed to it, etc. I don’t think it’s possible to save a life if they’re in a domestic violence situation, anyone that gets out does so based purely on luck - and it doesn’t seem like C’s family had much time for her, approving her marriage to the man who’d been obviously grooming her.

Sorry that you went through this. The silencing of victims is so infuriating. Hopefully you are in a safe place now.

Survivors who get out do so because we took the action, not luck. I agree, the people around C failed her miserably. Neither family approved of the marriage, though; this partly why C and B eloped to Portugal and married 3 days after her 18th bday. This is discussed earlier in the thread, with MSM links.
 
Systran online translation of the following article:
https://debater.gr/ellada/to-debate...-igias-pou-kei-ton-bampi-anagnostopoulou/amp/

(He/she pronouns are wrong in places, but we can deal with it...)

Tuesday 27 July 2021, 11:09
From DEBATER NEWSROOM

Babis Anagnostopoulos: New revelations see the "light" of publicity regarding the case that has shocked the Greek and concerns the murder of Caroline Crouch.
The mental health counselor, whom the couple visited to talk about their relationship with, is shocked by the evidence she filed before the investigator and revealed what was happening to the couple's relationship and what Caroline had confided to her when they were alone.

What reveals about the first acquaintance:
Eleni Mylonopoulou in her testimony says the couple had submitted their interest through a platform to do sessions with her. She contacted them, but they did not respond. After a while, Babis Anagnostopoulos contacted her apologizing for not picking up the phone as their baby was crying. They arranged a rendezvous which took place on 17 November 2020 and appeared in the office with their baby in the cart. When he met the 32-year-old pilot, he was calm and kind and told her how much he loves his wife and explained to her that the reason they visit her is because Caroline's hormones caused her feelings of sorrow and depressed lotions. Caroline remained silent on his side, according to the adviser. Caroline was left alone with the counselor after a while, and she reported being sent away in tears; after speaking for a moment, Caroline burst into tears again, revealing that she wants to leave her marriage, that she has no sexual relations with her husband, but loves him. Caroline revealed to her mental health counselor that she is in love with Babis Anagnostopoulos but dislikes him.

What does he say about meeting Babis and Caroline:
Eleni Mylonopoulou talks about the couple's acquaintance and reveals:
“They met on a Good Friday, probably the year 2016, from what I remember without being sure, when some events were taking place in the run-up to Easter in Alonissos. Caroline was in the Scouts and was tasked with the location of the mayor's offices and Charalambos had taken some officials to the island in a helicopter and was himself invited by the mayor. When Charalambos went to the VIP venue, Caroline told him it was only for the officials, and he smiled at her. This was the couple's first acquaintance and then the meetings began.
“Babis had sessions to talk about Caroline's nerves”
In her statement, the health counselor reports that Babis Anagnostopoulos has been having sessions to report on Caroline's nerves.
“He had sessions with me in order to talk about Caroline's nerves and find ways to deal with these conditions, not to diagnose his own psychism.” At the same time he says:
“Each of the couple described their lives differently. Caroline, for her part, said that she felt trapped in this relationship, that she was constantly engaged with the child without any help, that she could not go somewhere alone, even if she dated a friend of hers, after a while Haralambos went along, that her movements were made with a particular taxi driver, a friend of Haralambos, and that she never had money on her after she had Babis was in charge of financial management. Even the money contributed by her parents each month was not managed by her but by Charalambos. Caroline was a social and active person who had always wanted to deal with things but was deprived of them in the way she lived them. He said that because he had a hobby for pastry, he wanted to go to a school and he was thinking as soon as the child turned 2 to complete her studies at the University of Piraeus.The issue with the studies Haralambos treated it superficially positively, but his actions, such as staying in the Sweet Waters, do not suggest to his positive approach to the issue.
In fact, the health adviser also talks about Portugal by saying:
"Caroline's parents knew Babis Anagnostopoulos but did not know what he had to do with their daughter... Caroline had told them she would go on holiday to Portugal and not the real reason why they would go. The couple had chosen to keep away people from their relatives. This was because Babis wanted to create in Caroline the image of a fairy tale and have it in a pink balloon, isolated from others in order to manipulate it.

He wanted to know what they were saying in their sessions:
Eleni Mylonopoulou says:
“He was asking to know what we were talking about in the sessions with Caroline, something I never told him. And he wanted to settle the fuss in the house that existed with Caroline's nerves. Having understood Caroline's relationship with Haralambos, I was trying to calm the situation down and I was telling him that he is older and that he should step back. On the other hand, I was trying to calm Caroline down and I was telling her that if she really wanted to leave the house, she would have to organize it and inform her folks, but she didn't want to hear, saying she was in love with Charalambos. I also told her and stressed that it is not right and even dangerous to threaten with fighting the Haralmapo that he will take the child and leave. Caroline was a very close person and many times she wouldn't tell me the same things but she wanted to guide me to tell her myself and ask her myself.
And he cites some examples of how it worked:
"When the couple had no sexual relations, for at least two months, before November 2020, I had asked her if there is any deviant behavior that prevents her from having anything to do with Charalambos there she never answered. Also in December 2020, the couple canceled their appointment twice, as Haralambos had told me that a heated argument had preceded them and the session could not be held. When I saw Caroline I asked her if there was physical violence, and what happened to Haralmapo, she would not answer me. In general, Caroline was afraid of what she would say to me, and many times during her sessions she would ask me if the doors were closed or if we were heard in the living room where Haralambos was sitting with the child; a typical example of the couple's relationship with each other is that although Caroline hated Bambi, and she did not want sex with him, they still slept in the same bed and even Caroline slept on his chest“.
She states in her testimony that everything was in Babis's hands and that she could not do anything without him knowing.

Caroline was opposed to Babes' parents:
Caroline had confided to her health counselor that they had found a plot in Dione to build their house, but her counselor told her that it was a far-off area from Piraeus and that it would be difficult to continue her studies.
At another session, Caroline told Babis' parents adviser.
"In another session I realized Caroline's opposition to Haralabou's parents. She pointed out to me why her parents should always give more than Babis' parents and especially why should her parents give 55,000 euros for the plot and the house while Charalambos' parents would give only 30,000 euros, choosing a lot of money that passed from their hands to spend on trips "... . "She was also annoyed that the house would belong to Charalambos because in his name the loan would come out but I had pointed out to her that she too will have rights at home since it is an asset acquired during the marriage". "Moreover Caroline did not want Babis's parents to see the child and in fact the only time they saw the child was when he came out of his intensive care maternity and before they took it home, which gave them the opportunity to see their grandchild for five minutes in a parish outside the maternity hospital“.
"I had told her this is not right" as she stated in her statement and she continued saying "And they asked if Haralambos agrees with this attitude and she told me that Haralambos does what he says and is independent of his parents. Haralambos had confirmed to me that they were not related to his parents and I understood that he knew Caroline's opinion about them and had chosen himself not to have special relations with his parents."
"She had asked Caroline if Babis was pressuring her to ask her parents for money, and she neither confirmed it to me nor denied it to me though."

Why did they stop the sessions:
Caroline began opening during the sessions, and as reported by the board between November 2020 and February 2021, Caroline was losing her sparkle. Caroline had fears about the pilot's job, as revealed by Eleni Mylonopoulou, and when asked if she was afraid of a third person, the 20-year-old did not answer her. Early February 2021, Caroline sent her a sms which she said: "Thank you so much I already feel much better, I want to interrupt the sessions."
"I was intuitive, and because Caroline never communicated with me personally, I thought Haralambos had sent the message," the adviser says. "I think the reason why the sessions stopped is that in a fight Caroline told Babis that she has expressed to me her fears about the house, the job, the third person."

The threats on the phone:
According to Eleni Mylonopoulou, after her first statement to the police, on May 13, she received a phone call from an audience known to her with Babis Anagnostopoulos and asked if she has been invited to testify to the authorities. He says, he replied that they have not called - something that he had met with the police - and allegedly told her the common knowledge that Babis Anagnostopoulos has given the police everyone's evidence and that they would be called.
Babis Anagnostopoulos phoned her when her name was revealed to the media and asked if she was called by the police while allegedly telling her that the police are good guys,
As she describes in her testimony on May 22-23, she received threatening phone calls from classified numbers where a man told her:
” I will kill you, you are finished, you are finished if you don't do what you have to do”.
The pilot contacted her and asked her to have a session together after Caroline's funeral so she could manage his grief.
When the session took place, the health counselor was impressed that Babis was not looking her in the eye and that he had his eyes lowered, and was not referring to Caroline by her name.
 

EM: They met on a Good Friday, probably in the year 2016,...

Γνωρίστηκαν μια Μεγάλη Παρασκευή, μάλλον του έτους 2016,...

If this statement is correct, they met on Friday, March 25, 2016. This makes C 14, and a solid chunk of time left to go before she turned 15 (July 12, roughly 3 1/2 months). Many of us have seen the vid of C at 13, looking like your average teen about to hit puberty, but the press always shows the pic of her post-puberty, at 15 about to turn 16 (see same link, photo on top).

We know from some MSM and his coworkers, that they did in fact start a relationship in 2016 during the months before she turned 15, yet others state it as 2017 (throw a dart at the mountain of news clips and you'll hit one), when she's a year older, and at a much more acceptable age (yeah, whatever, still a minor, but legally the 28 year old could have at her for sex). Accounts from island residents have noted she was 14 when he started to fly overhead to impress her (who the eff does that, especially to impress a teen??? but I digress), and that he was 27 at the time, so let's go with what actual witnesses say, not MSM trying to white wash B's image.

Notice how carefully EM states the year, using
μάλλον/probably or rather, knowing full well it is fact, not approximate, but she has to be careful of her words. She knows B groomed C, and she's aware of a lot more about this relationship than we, the MSM, and even LE are aware of.

Thanks for linking this, @Dotta, it's the most comprehensible article yet on the sessions! There's so much to unpack here, especially C's silence to questions about B's possible sexual deviancy or abuses, violence, B never talking about his own frame of mind in his sessions, ... but I'll just keep hammering home the root of their relationship, a 27 year old grooming a 14 year old.

Postpartum blues turned husband beater? Good one, B, good one, but we ain't buying it.
 
C was happy and in love with B when they got married in Portugal. If B behaved like a normal guy, I think their marriage would flourish despite the age gap. But he changed into Master and Commander - why? It certainly looked like an orthodox religious marriage (there are certain parts of the world where it happens) where a wife is an asset instead of a partner and is totally dependent on a husband. Did he copy this pattern of behaviour from his own family? I doubt it. Was it his sexual fantasy - (like master/slave relationship) of which she wasnt aware? Or maybe his fears of inadequacy led him to estrange her from others because he was afraid she might meet sb more attractive and leave him?
 
C was happy and in love with B when they got married in Portugal. If B behaved like a normal guy, I think their marriage would flourish despite the age gap. But he changed into Master and Commander - why? It certainly looked like an orthodox religious marriage (there are certain parts of the world where it happens) where a wife is an asset instead of a partner and is totally dependent on a husband. Did he copy this pattern of behaviour from his own family? I doubt it. Was it his sexual fantasy - (like master/slave relationship) of which she wasnt aware? Or maybe his fears of inadequacy led him to estrange her from others because he was afraid she might meet sb more attractive and leave him?

He didn't change, he was always B; he just put on an act for C. With an inexperienced underaged school girl, it was hook line and sinker easy enough to reel her in. The red flags were there from the beginning (we've discussed some of these, like flying to the island to see her for a few hours, showing up to her school events..., the fact that her father never met him until after the wedding, that he was extremely quiet around her parents, that he forced her to quit TaeKwonDo, despite her instructors and classmates saying, whoa... what's going on here?). Was she happy and in love, or was she an infatuated 14 year old, excited about going off to the big city (Athens)? The law of Greece says you can play around sexually, but you can't marry until you are legally 18, and they married 3 days after her bday - how is that relationship mutually consensual? Happy? Honestly. She gave up her passions for this groomer. If B 'behaved like a normal guy,' he wouldn't have aggressively pursued her in the first place. We've already explored in this thread different countries and cultures to see that it is not normal for a 27 year old man to pursue a 14 year old. As for the cultures of the world where women and children are still seen as chattel, groups like Amnesty International are working to change that, to make sure human rights are for all, not just men like B.
 
He didn't change, he was always B; he just put on an act for C. With an inexperienced underaged school girl, it was hook line and sinker easy enough to reel her in. The red flags were there from the beginning (we've discussed some of these, like flying to the island to see her for a few hours, showing up to her school events..., the fact that her father never met him until after the wedding, that he was extremely quiet around her parents, that he forced her to quit TaeKwonDo, despite her instructors and classmates saying, whoa... what's going on here?). Was she happy and in love, or was she an infatuated 14 year old, excited about going off to the big city (Athens)? The law of Greece says you can play around sexually, but you can't marry until you are legally 18, and they married 3 days after her bday - how is that relationship mutually consensual? Happy? Honestly. She gave up her passions for this groomer. If B 'behaved like a normal guy,' he wouldn't have aggressively pursued her in the first place. We've already explored in this thread different countries and cultures to see that it is not normal for a 27 year old man to pursue a 14 year old. As for the cultures of the world where women and children are still seen as chattel, groups like Amnesty International are working to change that, to make sure human rights are for all, not just men like B.
Yes, I agree. I just would like to understand - what was his reason? What motivated him? What drove him to behave like this? He certainly invested a lot into this relationship - time, energy to pursue her. It seems he wanted to fulfill a strange fantasy and when it crashed, his rage and disappointment was so huge, he killed - C was punished for the dream that couldnt be fulfilled.
 
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Yes, I agree. I just would like to understand - what was his reason? What motivated him? What drove him to behave like this? He certainly invested a lot into this relationship - time, energy to pursue her. It seems he wanted to fulfill a strange fantasy and when it crashed, his rage and disappointment was so huge, he killed - C was punished for the dream that couldnt be fulfilled.

He's wired that way. When you can understand how such a mind works, they say you need to start worrying about your own mental health! No amount of medication/therapy will change them. In extreme cases like B, they even enjoy watching others die a slow and painful 5 or 6 minute death. As C's former diving instructor noted, a lot goes through a person's mind during that time as a person fights for air. Fortunate for us, we don't know what B thought during it.
 
Well, to create a personality like B's there must have been many elements: from genetic heritage of his family (internal predisposition) to external factors like: the way of upbringing, the way he was treated as a child, interactions in the family, childhood traumas, etc. He wasnt born with the need to control and dominate, it was formed. But you are right - how can we understand? Only psychiatrists might know the answers. Besides his wife he strangled the family pet, I cant even imagine what went through his mind during this terrible time.
 
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Causes of narcissistic personality disorder

Childhood abuse or neglect,
excessive parental pampering, unrealistic expectations from parents, sexual promiscuity (often accompanies narcissism)

Narcissists crave attention, adoration, admiration from others and when you stop giving it to them they suffer from narcissistic injury.

What are the stages of a narcissistic relationship?

The relationship cycle typical of extreme narcissistic abuse generally follows a pattern. Individuals in emotionally abusive relationships experience a dizzying whirlwind that includes three stages:

1. idealization,
2. devaluing, and
3. discarding.

How long do narcissistic relationships last?

Narcissists lose interest as the expectation of intimacy increases, or when they've won at their game. Many have trouble sustaining a relationship for more than six months to a few years. They prioritize power over intimacy and loathe vulnerability, which they consider weak.

What tactics do narcissists use?

Narcissists employ charm, using their wit, resources, talent, conversational skills, and self-promotion through boasting, embellishing, and lying to manage their impression. These strategies boost their self-image and raise their status with others.
 
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