GUILTY Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, British, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 *Appeal filed 2023* #5

[Dotta]

Oh, Besides the obvious, there were other worrying elements in this marriage:
1. Terrible conflict between C and B's family - C forbade the parents to ever meet the baby
2. Money issues - C telling B the future house belonged to her, not him (obviously hinting her parents paying).
Family and money issues never bode well for any marriage.

 

[tayaway]

Also what do you think fell down the stairs?

"A recurring dope," who heard one of the following nights coming from the couple's maisonette, worried the witness, who the next morning hurried to ask young Caroline about the noise. "She told me it was the baby chair that fell down the stairs. This made a special impression on me, because on the one hand the couple usually had the chair on the ground floor and on the other hand the chair is tall with legs and, if it had really fallen from the stairs, it would have logically stopped during its fall and would not have go down the whole ladder. This is my thought, which I did not share with Caroline, as I did not question the answer she gave me ".

Γλυκά Νερά: Συγκλονιστική νέα μαρτυρία - «Άκουγα τους καβγάδες και τα ντουπ...» - TheCaller

It was either C or B that fell down the stairs. The neighbor was quite worried about it. It was much heavier sounding than a hammer or a plastic high chair, that's for sure.

eta: I do remember that B hired cleaners who came in and did the whole place just days after C's murder.

 

[tayaway]

Oh, Besides the obvious, there were other worrying elements in this marriage:
1. Terrible conflict between C and B's family - C forbade the parents to ever meet the baby
2. Money issues - C telling B the future house belonged to her, not him (obviously hinting her parents paying).
Family and money issues never bode well for any marriage.

She must have really resented the fact that she wasn't even allowed petty cash for her pocket and yet most of the money came from her own parents. Did we ever get concrete MSM about his parents' financial problems?

eta: I'm confused about C not wanting B's family to see baby L, given that B is the one that told people if he wants them to see his fam (C & L), he will. Given all the control B had over C, if he wanted his parents to see baby L, he would've forced C to comply.

I think it was probably something being used to bash the door. I think I remember reading the door was repaired.

Yes, on the carpenter door thing, he found it strange that B lied about the door, and... B refused to let him paint over the hole damage, which IMO, B kept as a reminder for C to stay in line.

 

[Dotta]

1.Falling down the stairs would surely result in broken bones or even death, not to mention horrible bruises
2.Bleach thing had happened BEFORE the cleaning team came in.
It was B's answer to why the robbers didnt leave any traces

 

[tayaway]

I think it was probably something being used to bash the door. I think I remember reading the door was repaired.

1.Falling down the stairs would surely result in broken bones or even death, not to mention horrible bruises
2.Bleach thing had happened BEFORE the cleaning team came in.
It was B's answer to why the robbers didnt leave any traces

Do you have the stats to back up your claim about breaking bones/death if a person falls down the stairs? I've fallen down the stairs and just bruised myself, quite often, b/c without my meds, I fall a lot. My brother fell head first down an entire flight of concrete steps and only suffered scrapes/bruising.

Was there ever any evidence or MSM verification that the place was actually bleached or was that just B's narrative?

 

[Dotta]

I cant answer your questions b/c I only know what the Press wrote and as we know nobody knows what is happening behind the closed doors.
As for injuries from falling down the stairs - I just used my imagination as I have never fallen

 

[Dotta]

By the way, we are bickering like students and the teacher Estelle who asked the questions - vanished!!!
Hey, teacher - dont leave them kids alone!

 

[tayaway]

I cant answer your questions b/c I only know what the Press wrote and as we know nobody knows what is happening behind the closed doors.
As for injuries from falling down the stairs - I just used my imagination as I have never fallen

Ok, we are web sleuths, not talkers making stuff up!

Don't worry about Estelle, she's probably listening to Pink Floyd right now!

 

[Dotta]

Γλυκά Νερά: Η οικογένεια της Κάρολαϊν «έσβησε» τον πιλότο από το μνήμα - TheCaller

Sad video of the grave - simple, beautiful and well cared for.

B's family is currently visiting the island to meet baby L

The name of the murderer has been obliterated by her family from the Caroline's Memorial.

 

[Estelle]

By the way, we are bickering like students and the teacher Estelle who asked the questions - vanished!!!
Hey, teacher - dont leave them kids alone!

The teacher is back, so behave yourselves! We don't really know the correct answers to my questions but I encourage you to brainstorm!

 

[Estelle]

Tayaway said: I'm confused about C not wanting B's family to see baby L, given that B is the one that told people if he wants them to see his fam (C & L), he will. Given all the control B had over C, if he wanted his parents to see baby L, he would've forced C to comply.

It looks to me as if both C and B fell out with his parents after they saw baby L in hospital. My guess is that it was over money. Perhaps B's parents refused to give B any money as a wedding gift or for the baby, etc. I would have thought B's mother would have been handy as a babysitter at least as she lived nearby.

 

[Kemug]

Yes, this is one of the many things we don't understand - at least not yet.

 

[Dotta]

Γλυκά Νερά: Η μητέρα του Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου μίλησε για πρώτη φορά! Τι είπε για τον γιο της και την εγγονή της (vid) - TheCaller
B's mother talking - a video. Unfortunately, she is speaking in her native language so....sorry folks.
She doesnt want to talk about her murderous son, only about the baby and excellent relations with in-laws.

 

[Kemug]

Thank you Dotta for the video of Caroline's grave. It is so beautiful. And of course also so sad. I think in decades, even centuries to come, anyway seeing it will be moved to tears.

 

[Kemug]

Sorry, I meant anyone seeing it.

 

[Dotta]

Sorry, I meant anyone seeing it.

Of course I realized it
My phone often plays tricks on me and writes its own things!
But I cant stay angry b/c thanks to it I can read WB whenever I am - hurrying from 1 place to another.

 

[Estelle]

Γλυκά Νερά: Η μητέρα του Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου μίλησε για πρώτη φορά! Τι είπε για τον γιο της και την εγγονή της (vid) - TheCaller
B's mother talking - a video. Unfortunately, she is speaking in her native language so....sorry folks.
She doesnt want to talk about her murderous son, only about the baby and excellent relations with in-laws.

I think I saw the back of B's father in the video. He looks quite old. I now think perhaps it will be the brother who is guilty.

 

[Estelle]

I don't understand why the translation from Greek to English changes the pronouns, etc. to the opposite eg grandson instead of grand daughter.

 

[Dotta]

I don't understand why the translation from Greek to English changes the pronouns, etc. to the opposite eg grandson instead of grand daughter.

To keep us on our toes?

 

[Dotta]

Polish version is OK.
Our Greek posters once explained this phenomenon in a lengthy way but, for the life of me I cant recall a single word.