Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #4

[MsBetsy]

I’m more concerned about photographing injuries on his body. If this went down like I think it did, she probably got him pretty good.

That would certainly be a good explanation for hiding out in his house for the past few weeks.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I get that .....but why? why did they grant someone who has committed a crime a right not to speak ?? I don't still understand why

If there were evidence, or even probable cause to believe he'd committed a crime, he'd already be arrested.
Presently, his status is only a POI.

 

[LietKynes]

You have the right to remain silent. You are protected by the constitution. You are presumed innocent until proven guilty. We can’t invoke these rights when it is convenient and dismiss them when it is not.

You're correct.
In this case, sadly.
I wish there was something else they could hold him on , just to talk to him ?
If this drags on -- is it possible that if LE find something to charge him with , will they offer a plea deal in exchange for her remains ?
I don't even know if she's gone from this earth.

I will happily eat crow if she's just with other people for inexplicable reasons.
But it seems like she kept in touch with her family very consistently.
That alone makes me think something bad happened.
Imo.

 

[Mitch1]

Yes, an attorney could have knowledge she's deceased and not have to report that.

BUT they are obligated to report information if they know she's in danger. (hypothetical; say the attorney knew that Gabby ran off into the desert on her own threatening suicide- the attorney would be obligated to report that - including the location to police).

It's covered under mandatory disclosure laws and is an exception to attorney client privilege. If the client tells the attorney the location of a missing witness or victim whose life is in imminent danger the attorney has to disclose it.

Now it's ALSO possible the attorney stopped BL from telling him that information. As in BL went to say "I left her at..." and the attorney stopped him from telling him the location so in turn the attorney wouldn't have to disclose it. Then the attorney can claim they don't know where she is and the client hasn't told them. Kinda shady but it does happen.

Again, thank you for this insight-and that definitely answered my question.

 

[LvsAMystry]

I believe that BL and GP had a very volatile relationship in which he manipulated her emotions into believing all their troubles and his actions were a result of her actions and emotional problems diagnosed by him. Part of his repertoire of manipulation on their trip was to threaten to leave her stranded without him and without her phone or transportation/shelter. I doubt the events of aug 12 were the first time threatened this but it’s probably the first time it escalated to the point of public notice and attention of the police. I’m not sure what the real motive was of his trip him to FL via air and then return out west to GP but what I think happened is either he returned to resume the trip or he returned to tell her it was done. Either way I feel like the end result was that he finally carried through on his threats and abandoned her. Whether he then drove home from that point or somehow capitulated and returned to find her but she wasn’t found I don’t know, but either way the result is the same… he “ showed her.”

 

[hey-Debbie]

Yes, to everything listed here. Also, IMO and personal experience, abusers have the need to isolate you from all family and support networks, which is why IMO, I believe she lived with him and his family. Has anyone determined why she lived with his family?

But she wanted to go on this road trip. They were starting a brand together. I don't think this statement really applies to this case as far as what's been shown in MSM. Like I said, maybe they had a very codependent relationship. Maybe she didn't want to be apart from him. Didn't she follow him to Florida?

 

[JuneRose]

Also in the footage he seems so


He did seems slightly hesitant to give the police her phone to me. He also said it was in a spot that he couldn't just tell the officer so she had him show her. Obviously it's a stretch but could be relivent.

heck, im a granny with nothing but pictures and videos of my grandbabies on it but i wouldnt wanna give my phone up either.

 

[Arkark]

Have there been any local search parties?

 

[Kikimora11]

There is never any mention of like, where they actually slept. Tent? Van? Were they fighting all night? Sometimes I often remind people of just how psychologically debilitating sleep deprivation can be. Coupled with heat, stress, anxiety, most likely a less-than-ideal diet, and other factors, people can just, for lack of a better term, almost become psychotic. Seriously, it's no joke - I have seen what sleep deprivation does, even to the most well intentioned! Anyone who has ever been living with or around people who have abused stimulants over long term know what I am talking about - it's like a slow and very progressive change in personality. Very irritable, very snappy - the smallest things can set them off into rages. But remove the drug, and/or allow them to get a few days of uninterrupted sleep, and its like their entire souls are restored to their body. Something to just think about. Sleep is no joke.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Totally! My husband and I had an argument at night in Venice once and I remember how terrified I was when he stomped off because I didn't speak Italian and Venice is insanely confusing and I wasn't sure I would ever find our hotel again. I felt unsafe and vulnerable and I was so freaked out that I was practically screaming at him. I refused to stop following him. It wasn't because I was abusive, it was because I was scared for my life. Fortunately, he realized how dangerous it would be too, before I had to do whatever the equivalent of crawling in the driver side window would have been.

Given how hot it was, how broke they seem to have been, and the fact that neither of them knew anyone, the idea of being abandoned would have been absolutely terrifying. Very close to "emotional abuse" in my opinion.

And the other important point is that all we know about their relationship is that video- this could have been a one-time thing, it could have been an everyday thing, she could be the abuser, or he could be the abuser, or they could be equally to blame.

All we know for sure is they were under a lot of stress and the relationship was deteriorating that day.

 

[Mike in WNY]

I get that .....but why? why did the founders grant someone who has committed a crime a right not to speak ?? What past event caused this? maybe in England? that makes this a bad thing? ( making someone speak) there has to be data backing this up .... I don't still understand why besides providing a living for lawers

Because if your are 'forced" to incriminate yourself a so-called bad-cop-type can threaten harm causing some to lie about their guilt. Well, gosh, that's not something we'd want, is it?

 

[Wheresgabby21]

Exactly. It's demeaning and I feel like she is conditioned to blame everything on her supposed 'anxiety'

This!!! Everything is her fault and it is because "she has anxiety" -- she is so hard on herself, takes the blame for everything. The reality is everyone has anxiety of some sort, and we have convinced these young people to chalk up any discomfort to anxiety and he's more than happy to have her take the blame and buddy up to the cops.

 

[HolographicOne]

This is such an unfair accusation, to say there is no evidence to show he didn't hit her. That's just twisted, in my opinion.

The huge thing making BL look so suspicious is the fact he drove her van home without her, and that he is not providing any information about the last time he saw her. This is what makes him look so bad, and this is what leads many people to the conclusion that he murdered her.

Thanks for reiterating the 'proving a negative fallacy'. It's precisely why the justice system is to prove guilt and not innocence.

At this point no one knows. I hope they find GP!

 

[yellowmoose]

There is never any mention of like, where they actually slept. Tent? Van? Were they fighting all night? Sometimes I often remind people of just how psychologically debilitating sleep deprivation can be. Coupled with heat, stress, anxiety, most likely a less-than-ideal diet, and other factors, people can just, for lack of a better term, almost become psychotic. Seriously, it's no joke - I have seen what sleep deprivation does, even to the most well intentioned! Something to just think about.

The bed in the van looked small to me. I was wondering if there was even room for both of them to sleep in the van which is why they had the tent?

 

[MrX]

Just as a general statement, but IMO there is simply nowhere near enough information to make any sort of psychiatrist and/or psychological diagnosis or assessment from that bodycam footage. It's two adults who are in a high stress situation. I know there are many people here with only the best intentions, sharing matrices and criteria for abusive relationships, and mental illness diagnostic criteria, etc, but the truth of the matter is, human beings are complex, and it requires far more than watching some bodycam footage of a traffic stop for an hour to make a solid assessment of any individual. Without digressing too far, I believe that the medicalization and overly-pathologized notion of human beings is on display when people do this sort of thing. To be fair, yes, of course we want to try to make sense of the situation. But you cannot say you have a solid assessment from such limited evidence. This is also true even in real world psychiatry. There are so many 'doctors' who will see a patient for 10 minutes and immediately diagnose them with some issue or some condition and write them medications. IMO and from my own personal anecdotal stories, the best don't actually analyze or jump to conclusions..it takes time. It takes patience. You must gather enough information to make an accurate assessment, and, if appropriate, diagnosis. Again - not discrediting anyone for suggesting abuse or mental issues here in the video, but it's just simply not enough information to do so accurately. MOO

I would disagree, slightly, in that people with decades of life experience, in these areas, can connect dots without having to start at square one, in each case. But I do agree that, in cases like this, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Wow! Just watched the Police Cam from Channel 7. I feel so badly for these two people. IMO both of them seemed to be in some mental distress. Gabby admits she has "really bad OCD" ( at 2:41 to 3o into the vid ). She actually states that as a reason she can really get very anxious and upset over things.

They both seem very honest with their emotions. I certainly believed both of them and also think they probably love each other. Unfortunately, after 3 months of getting no break from each other can bring out the worst in each other, ( I know being with my husband during Covid wasn't pretty, Tank God we were not in aVan)
Add to that some serious mental distress, and I believe there may have been a tragic accident.

However, I am at a loss as to Brians's lack of cooperation with the police. Perhaps he has become mentally incapable of dealing with reality!
MOO--I do not believe he would intentionally murder Gabby....no way! I can only hope we find some answers soon.

 

[Deleted member 121463]

You're correct.
In this case, sadly.
I wish there was something else they could hold him on , just to talk to him ?
If this drags on -- is it possible that if LE find something to charge him with , will they offer a plea deal in exchange for her remains ?
I don't even know if she's gone from this earth.

I will happily eat crow if she's just with other people for inexplicable reasons.
But it seems like she kept in touch with her family very consistently.
That alone makes me think something bad happened.
Imo.

After watching this I feel more sure that she has passed. <modsnip: Direct accusations not allowed> IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Then its dads.van .
I thought it was registered to her at that address!

I thought LE confirmed that it was her van?

 

[Nah]

If this all went down super close to that campground, then I guess it is always possible that he left her and she went desperately looking for help and she found help with the wrong person. Boyfriend could have hypothetically either just never looked back until he got home or went back and found her either missing or deceased. If he found her missing he could have panicked, realizing he looked bad, and went right home. Worse, if he found her deceased, he could have been terrified to be blamed and then hid her body and went home (the other two murdered women were easily found). Just thoughts. Although along with my earlier personal opinion, if he is a narcissist, I suppose anything could have happened if he felt desperate enough.

 

[Mayjunejuly]

So, what would you do if your SO took your phone, locked you out of YOUR vehicle and threatened to abandon you nearly 2000 miles away from home?

Are you telling me you wouldn't fight back?

No one should us violence period. No one is saying she should have done anything differently. Merely pointing out that had the cops intervened it might have saved her life. Clearly the toxic relationship reached its boiling point. Please do not

I'm not sure they could have arrested her since she said she didn't intend to harm him.

Either way, she probably would have been released by the next day and they would have been right back to traveling together. Imo

if you go back and watch where the police are talking amongst themselves- they asked her that question as a way to not have to actually charge her with DV… you could see these officers were very “gracious” in this scenario…. They had the right to charge and arrest her for DV. She admitted it, he admitted it, two witnesses back up the same stories they (GP &BL) gave. The police made a call- was it the right one? Well in hindsight , probably not. If they did cite GP for the DV, maybe just maybe she could still be alive. But as you said, they kept diminishing the situation and tried everything in their power to not charge her. Obviously they could not have known what was going to happen a few weeks later. I also think that even if they did cite her, bL would be in the next day to drop the protective order and then be able to contact her and they would be back on the road only now she has a criminal case against her. bL did not even want to press charges but some crimes don’t need the victim cooperation and the state will charge the person regardless. Idk jmo!