Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #57

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Just a few thoughts on last nights "The Disappearance of William Tyrrell"
Not really sure what to think about "Steve's" beliefs about FA driving RP to Port Macq Hospital and back to Kendall.
FA didn't have a drivers licence which didn't stop him from driving but that's a large drive to risk without a licence. Did he also return to pick RP up at 3pm? If not who did and when, where and how did he return RP's car to him?
The nurses evidence in relation to what RP told her was that he picked FA and the little boy up from a shed behind the Kendall school.
DP also gave evidence of FA's movements on the 11th and 12th. He claimed RP picked FA up around lunch time on the 11th. He then saw him at the Herons Creek Rd property early on the morning of the 12th.
FM first saw the two cars parked in Benaroon Drive around 7am on the 12th.
The only images I can find of RP's car on Hwy camera footage is from 11th Sept.
According to MSM there were 46 documents released however we have only seen a small number of those. Is it safe to assume CO has images of RP's car on later days which the public haven't been privy to?
Also a discrepancy to note. Casino is closer to 400kms north of Kendall not 300kms. Either way it's a very long drive there and back for a man suffering kidney disease who had just had dialysis treatment.

IMO the statements made by "Steve" have only added confusion.

William Tyrrell abduction: Probe after dying man's confession | Daily Mail Online
I agree Blues ….. the car being there at 7am doesn’t add up ….with the dialysis times ……
FA driving the car doesn’t add up, with RP “picking up” FA and a child….
If FA did return the car to RP???? After dialysis??? Where was William during this time???

Also I was quite surprised by the Casino reference as our calculations of a 300km destination were different ….

I am guessing that FA’s phone call to his brother, and lunch at the Church Hall with his daughter, regarding his alibi, have been discredited???? But there was no mention of that, unless I missed it??? Why only mention one portion of his alibi … withdrawing his pension???

I think possibly the Police did consider FA as highly likely to have been involved…… however the latest updates, seem to imply Police have moved on in a different direction…. ??? IMO
But time will tell…

Also now, Police seem to think they will find William, and be able to return him to his families, which doesn’t really fit with FA??? Unless they have been able to “crack” him in prison??? IMO

Although one reason they may not have questioned FA at the inquest, is that they didn’t want him to reveal his guilt in a Coroner’s Court….. (My neighbour -a previous State Coroner told me that if it looks like incriminating evidence is going to occur,/ be spilled, the Coroner closes it down abruptly, for justice to prevail in the correct court)

I do pray that William will be one day soon found, and the culprit sentenced for the rest of their life to prison, and his families get some sort of closure….
 
Yes, had been thinking somewhere like Grafton ......
But possibly there is some link to Casino that we are not aware of???? That connects FA to Casino???
I agree and also thought of Grafton. When I had a look online, Grafton & Casino, both have rivers running through - could these be places that FA & RP used to go fishing?
 
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I agree and also thought of Grafton. When I had a look online, Grafton & Casino, both have rivers running through - could these be places that FA & RP used to go fishing?
I thought the same thing when I mapped out a possible 300km, or thereabouts

for reference I refer to the distance in between cairns and Townsville as “300kms”, where’s its like 345/350km actually, if that makes sense?
 
I speculate that the circumstances of Darren's death are such that, should FA be brought to trial over William, they would be withheld from the jury as unfairly prejudicial. That the coroner has directed the sealing might suggest that a strong case is building against FA.
 
@drsleuth, or anyone else that attended, can you remember the last person to give evidence before FA was gone abruptly from the screen???


Before the Witness Impact Statements??

The last few witnesses were :

JA
DA
SH
PN
ER
Snr Const RD
Tanya
Amy
KO
TS
The protected witness
RJ
TP
IP

All these witness's questioning was around FA

Than the inquest was abruptly halted due to covid.

We were told in court that last day in Taree that further evidence was to be heard by GO , maybe by AVL to Lidcombe as he has health issues.

We never heard from GO again & never from FA ( other than his x examination of witnesses)
 
The last few witnesses were :

JA
DA
SH
PN
ER
Snr Const RD
Tanya
Amy
KO
TS
The protected witness
RJ
TP
IP

All these witness's questioning was around FA

Than the inquest was abruptly halted due to covid.

We were told in court that last day in Taree that further evidence was to be heard by GO , maybe by AVL to Lidcombe as he has health issues.

We never heard from GO again & never from FA ( other than his x examination of witnesses)
Thanks Doc...... I keep forgetting that it was closed abruptly because of Covid.... we are extremely lucky here and it hasn't altered daily life... yet....
 
Did GO rate a mention at all in CO's 'investigation'? I can't recall, but if not I find that odd. Also odd there was no mention of the 2nd car.

Something that has played on my mind is the two different tacks taken by FA and GO when questioned about each other.
GO distanced himself from FA and gave a reason why FA wouldn't be in Benaroon Drive. Whilst FA completely threw GO under the bus saying I know where William Tyrrell is, check GO's place.
GO diverting attention away from FA
FA directing attention onto GO
 
I agree and also thought of Grafton. When I had a look online, Grafton & Casino, both have rivers running through - could these be places that FA & RP used to go fishing?
The only thing that makes me err on the side of caution re fishing in the area of the trip, was that RP described the road trip - as almost as far as "Queensland"....(or words to that effect) which makes me think it was a lot further than the usual fishing locations..... IYKWIM???

If they towed the boat for 300kms .... would that have been captured on CCTV with the car???

Nothing to say they didn't fish .... or hire a boat etc .... and it's quite possible they did.... I'm just not sure if fishing was part of that particular trip?? Would love to know what else RP told investigators???

What about RP's other mate - Phil ??? That we haven't heard about as yet??? And what does he know of FA??? (perhaps he too has passed??? before the inquest?? )
 
Did GO rate a mention at all in CO's 'investigation'? I can't recall, but if not I find that odd. Also odd there was no mention of the 2nd car.

Something that has played on my mind is the two different tacks taken by FA and GO when questioned about each other.
GO distanced himself from FA and gave a reason why FA wouldn't be in Benaroon Drive. Whilst FA completely threw GO under the bus saying I know where William Tyrrell is, check GO's place.
GO diverting attention away from FA
FA directing attention onto GO
Yes he was mentioned, but mysteriously not by name IIRC ....(he was referred to) ... the Protected Witness stated that GO had quoted on the deck at Benaroon Drive, and that he thought GO may have mentioned it to FA..... and that FA was possibly there "casing out" the address to thieve.. or words to that effect....

There was no explanation for the second car....... that I could work out from the episode......
 
I wasn't suggesting that they would be fishing (or towing a boat) on that particular trip. It was in reference to previous possible trips they had
and if they'd previously been to either Grafton or Casino given both towns have tidal rivers running through them. ie perhaps favourite fishing spots
 
Something that has played on my mind is the two different tacks taken by FA and GO when questioned about each other.
GO distanced himself from FA and gave a reason why FA wouldn't be in Benaroon Drive. Whilst FA completely threw GO under the bus saying I know where William Tyrrell is, check GO's place.
GO diverting attention away from FA
FA directing attention onto GO

Yes, for some reason they are doing their best at deflection....

Were they together that morning in Kendal I wonder???? When supposedly GO paid his advertising, that he can no longer "remember"????
Was GO showing FA the impending job???? that morning while they were in town???

But I don't think GO's car matches the beige description of the second car??? Wasn't GO's car a white Mazda sedan???? (please correct me if I am wrong.. going by memory....)

All speculation and IMO......
 
I wasn't suggesting that they would be fishing (or towing a boat) on that particular trip. It was in reference to previous possible trips they had
and if they'd previously been to either Grafton or Casino given both towns have tidal rivers running through them. ie perhaps favourite fishing spots
Yes ... they could also know an isolated deserted spot .......in that area......
 
Just a few thoughts on last nights "The Disappearance of William Tyrrell"
Not really sure what to think about "Steve's" beliefs about FA driving RP to Port Macq Hospital and back to Kendall.
FA didn't have a drivers licence which didn't stop him from driving but that's a large drive to risk without a licence. Did he also return to pick RP up at 3pm? If not who did and when, where and how did he return RP's car to him?
The nurses evidence in relation to what RP told her was that he picked FA and the little boy up from a shed behind the Kendall school.
DP also gave evidence of FA's movements on the 11th and 12th. He claimed RP picked FA up around lunch time on the 11th. He then saw him at the Herons Creek Rd property early on the morning of the 12th.
FM first saw the two cars parked in Benaroon Drive around 7am on the 12th.
The only images I can find of RP's car on Hwy camera footage is from 11th Sept.
According to MSM there were 46 documents released however we have only seen a small number of those. Is it safe to assume CO has images of RP's car on later days which the public haven't been privy to?
Also a discrepancy to note. Casino is closer to 400kms north of Kendall not 300kms. Either way it's a very long drive there and back for a man suffering kidney disease who had just had dialysis treatment.

IMO the statements made by "Steve" have only added confusion.

William Tyrrell abduction: Probe after dying man's confession | Daily Mail Online
This is questions from DP being x examined by Hopper the FF legal rep

Hopper : You were asked some questions about 60 minutes, you saw a white station wagon, you thought Ray's car? You said in your statement you knocked on FA's door & said is it Ray's car? ) ---( In his questioning by Mr C about this he said he didn't knock on FA's door & he saw the pics of the station wagon in the newspaper )

Hopper : FA said not Ray's car. Had the same lights.

Hopper: When was the first time you spoke to FA about WT's disapperance?

DP : Sat, I saw on the news on Saturday

Hopper : Did you raise it?

DP : Said did you know boy taken?

Hopper : Did you go particularly to speak to FA about WT?

DP : Yes, that's correct

Hopper : Apart from FA saying " Who would do that to a little boy?" He wanted to help go search. Did he offer?

DP : I said " The community is rallying together "

Hopper : You've given evidence about FA using a number of cars of yours. How did it work? How did he get access?

DP : Bad habit of leaving keys in cars. Most of the time I knew, he would ask. Had sometimes dropped of at the airport ( DP used to fly to Brisbane regularly )

Hopper : You said had to fly to Brisbane, asked FA?

DP : I drove in . FA drove back

Hopper : What car? Also time a time you flew out to Newcastle. Wjen did you fly to Brisbane?

DP : 2009 to 2016, once a month

Hopper : How long in Brisbane?

DP : Arrive Friday morning , come back sat morning ( daughter living in QLD ) Some occasions drove as well

Hopper : Did you see FA walking tracks?

DP : yes

Hopper : Period of time, years?

DP : Yes

Hopper : Active?

DP : Yes

Hopper : Physically get around easily?

DP : Correct

Hopper : How long did SA live ....

DP : Didn't he rented property for firewood. Lived on property 6 weeks.

Hopper : Ever see SA with FA or RP prior to 9/2014?

DP : Yes with FA alot

Hopper : FA ever work for SA? How close to 12/9/114 did you see FA & SA?

DP : Don't think I saw FA that day

Hopper : Are you unsure wether you saw FA on 12/9/14?

DP : Unsure , was home on the 13/9/14

Hopper : Saw on the 11/9/14?

DP : Yes helping on buses

Hopper : See RP?

DP : Yes

Hopper : See anyone else?

DP : No

Hopper : Just so it's clear. On the 12/9/14 did you or did you not see FA ?

DP : I didn't see FA

You can see, from this exchange just what the cops are dealing with IMO just to get basic info IMO


Than FA x examined DP ( some of that below )

FA : =You said I moved to Heron's Creek in 2011. I put to you that's not correct.

DP : I know exactly....

FA : " I can prove to you beyond doubt I was not "

DP : I know I am telling the truth

CORONER : Just ask questions Mr Abbott

FA : In 2010 / 2011 at John's River opposite the shop where the boys broke in to my place & took my car to the bush & burnt it "

CORONER : I'll stop you there Mr Abbott. I've given you some leway.

FA : Who asked me to move onto property, you or your brother ?

DP : Wasn't me!

FA : You calling your brother a liar?

DP : My brother was the only person stopping you from my father kicking you out! 3 times my father came to you on the verandah & asked you to leave.

DP : For a start lets stop these lies right now. I knew it was coming ( police ) . You said " you know you'll never get rid of me "

DP : thur 11/9/14 working on bus, Ray picked you up at 12pm.

FA : That again not correct Mr Parish, police have evidence"

CORONER : I have read all the information Mr Abbott


Than there was a conversation about how often GO was seen at HC property. FA say only twice ( once to fix a hot water system )

DP replied I've seen him more than twice your honour.

FA said he didn't know GO until he moved to his property ( 2014 )
 
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