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Local woman Dia Abrams is missing • Idyllwild Town Crier
June 10, 2020
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  • last seen Saturday, June 6th around 2 p.m.
  • 58000 block of Bonita Vista in the city of Idyllwild [sic]
  • missing from her ranch off Apple Canyon Road in Mountain Center.
  • blonde hair
  • around 5’4” tall
  • wearing blue jeans, a yellow shirt and a black multi-colored windbreaker
  • heading to the Garner Valley area
  • vehicle, handbag, keys and cell phone were still at her home

Detailed article:
Friends and family of missing woman remain hopeful | Valley News
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Riverside County Sheriff's Department Investigating Several Disappearances In Idyllwild Area
Six people now confirmed missing in area • Idyllwild Town Crier

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FROM my experience with Dia I knew she was terrified of her son and did not trust him at all. There were years of turmoil involving her son from an early age. THERE were several incidents in which Dia felt he tried to physically harm her...
Everything you say seems important to take into consideration. The son had not been up to the ranch in a year or longer. I doubt he and Dia spoke on the phone very often. He said they did, but he didn't even know about KH. Apparently, it appears he didn't know about the change in Trustees either.
THERE is much more involving the pressure and tactics the family put on Dia to try and drive her off the property. It was despicable and pure greed.
Do you mean just Clem and then the children when you say "the family"? Or were others in Clem's family wanting to drive her off the property?
I do know Dia felt there was a credible threat of the family posturing to take the property. She conveyed that to me several times. She was terrified not only for her safety but also of the pressure and posturing of the family to drive her off the properties. I also believe someone that had knowledge of her situation could have certainly used gaslighting.
This makes us all sad to hear. She changed her Trust and disappeared weeks later. If the family was unaware of her changing the Trust, then it seems wise to look at who stood to gain other than the family. Son and daughter showed up ready to take over the ranch, and seemed surprised the paperwork had been changed.
IMO KH knew he was a trustee. AS far as DF knowing I can only speculate.
Somebody could've orchestrated more fear and pressure to make Dia change Trustees. She didn't seem to trust her kids one bit. Dia sounded always vigilant and on edge, especially about them, but maybe not on the ranch or around people she thought she could trust.
With what I know I do not believe Dia disappeared from the Bonita Vista ranch. I would be inclined to believe she disappeared from one of the other properties or in a different location.
Interesting that you think that. Do you think she went missing on June 6th, 2020 or before?
 
... ...It makes more sense to me...why take a chance when you have all the time in the world to put a plan together. Also, if someone wanted to kill her or wanted some sort of revenge there would be no reason at all to take her body and risk what I said above. And to kidnap her? for what? what demands have been sent or could even be?
I hope everyone reads your whole post a couple of times and it fires up their sleuthing brain like it did mine. Hope all members keep sharing their thoughts and asking @Sun Spot questions. This case can't be allowed to go cold.

Why have a missing body if you want some one declared dead to gain their estate say if you were family? So, maybe it points to someone else that had something to gain. (Oh, the new Trustee perhaps, and maybe other helpers connected somehow.) IMO, not leaving a body behind seems to show a need to cover up any evidence that might point to exactly when, how, and who harmed Dia. All we've had to go on is KH's timeline and a fabled cinnamon bun delivery... we need some darn facts about who saw her that week.

Not even sure LE is still involved. Hope David Gotfredson of News8 keeps going on this case and can pin it down more. We've been following this case over a year now. We deserve some answers, and Dia deserves Justice. All MOO.
 
I hope everyone reads your whole post a couple of times and it fires up their sleuthing brain like it did mine. Hope all members keep sharing their thoughts and asking @Sun Spot questions. This case can't be allowed to go cold.

Why have a missing body if you want some one declared dead to gain their estate say if you were family? So, maybe it points to someone else that had something to gain. (Oh, the new Trustee perhaps, and maybe other helpers connected somehow.) IMO, not leaving a body behind seems to show a need to cover up any evidence that might point to exactly when, how, and who harmed Dia. All we've had to go on is KH's timeline and a fabled cinnamon bun delivery... we need some darn facts about who saw her that week.

Not even sure LE is still involved. Hope David Gotfredson of News8 keeps going on this case and can pin it down more. We've been following this case over a year now. We deserve some answers, and Dia deserves Justice. All MOO.

I could not agree more....The question of why take her or her body away and hide it leads one to ponder what that would accomplish as apposed to leaving her in the floor. And as I said it's a long drive to the main road if someone tries to stop you and even then you have only a couple of choices of where to go when you get to 74. You would be caught trying to escape that area if pursued. Too much time for witnesses to ID your vehicle and what not. Very Reckless... I'm sure LE has questioned everyone who might have seen a vehicle drive by on that day...if it even happened on that day. I do have to think that if KH had an accomplice he would do well to have Dia removed and appear missing as apposed to him being the only one on the ranch with her and her getting shot to death...that's kind of a slam dunk that he is involved and he would be checked for GSR and all. I mean...her transferring thing to him and soon after shot dead with him the only one there with her does not look good for him at all. Having her missing mysteriously opens a whole new avenue of accusations and theories. And so far it has worked for him. No body no murder...right? The idea of her not missing from the ranch makes a lot of sense too...Her purse and phone being there means nothing really except possibly someones attempt to not let google tracking follow them while it happened...leaving the phone there would be a great idea for KH. I'm sure that LE has done a timeline track on his phone vs hers to see where both phones were at the same time. They have a program for that and it's pretty slick. May not be any kind of smoking gun but will or could answer some questions of him telling the truth or not.
 
It has been mentioned in one of the court documents that KH had been selling Dia's jewelry collection and other collectibles. I have wondered how KH would have gotten the combinations to her safes. As private and guarded as she was I do not believe she would readily give those to anyone. It is possible that she was gaslighted into a panic etc.,
If she trusted the new Trustees enough to name them as such, then perhaps she trusted them with the safe combinations? Is it possible she really was all into KH and trusting him? Someone living right there with her daily would be a likely one to use gas lighting on her. What do you think? Any chance she was really engaged to KH?

IIRC. there was a threatening letter about the truck supposedly from the son that upset Dia before paperwork changed... did son really send that letter. If not, IMO, then that was one of the tools geared to get her panicky and make a Trustee change.
 
If she trusted the new Trustees enough to name them as such, then perhaps she trusted them with the safe combinations? Is it possible she really was all into KH and trusting him? Someone living right there with her daily would be a likely one to use gas lighting on her. What do you think? Any chance she was really engaged to KH?

IIRC. there was a threatening letter about the truck supposedly from the son that upset Dia before paperwork changed... did son really send that letter. If not, IMO, then that was one of the tools geared to get her panicky and make a Trustee change.

You've got me thinking it's entirely possible Dia was into KH, or at least the idea of him. If she was feeling anxious and threatened (whether real or not), while estranged from her children and living on an isolated property, it makes sense that she would welcome a man into her life, particularly one with law enforcement background (IIRC). It could give a (false?) sense of security to her.

I would love to know where and when the two of them traveled together. If Dia had to go to La Jolla, would KH have escorted her?
 
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FROM my experience with Dia I knew she was terrified of her son and did not trust him at all. There were years of turmoil involving her son from an early age. THERE were several incidents in which Dia felt he tried to physically harm her.
DIA had been estranged from Clem for approximately 20 years. That estrangement was also conveyed to the son.
Dia was aware of previous drug operations on a property that was nor Sky High.. a lab.. she had difficulty in getting those people out as they were squatters. I do not know if she know about the from on the Sky High property. I do know that she was terrified to go to other properties as past experiences had put her in danger.
DIA was not in the best physical health. She had physical imitations and did not travel or walk off the beaten path. She was always armed and very aware of her surroundings.
DIA only rode her horse when Isidro was riding with her for safety reason both being hurt and encounters with others.
Isidro.. Which I called him "Yahsidro" as he was always very willing to help and a hard worker was her safety net.
IMO the pot grows 8n the area were not a great threat to Dia. Dia did have a neighbor that was a problematic Karen. Not only for Dia and Isidro but others in the canyon.
THERE is much more involving the pressure and tactics the family put on Dia to try and drive her off the property. It was despicable and pure greed.
Sun Spot, we left off on the other thread discussing if it's possible Dia was into KH and trusting him enough to name him a new Trustee. Dia may have been gas lighted by someone using her fear perhaps? Do you think she went missing on June 6, 2020 or earlier?
You've got me thinking it's entirely possible Dia was into KH, or at least the idea of him. If she was feeling anxious and threatened (whether real or not), while estranged from her children and living on an isolated property, it makes sense that she would welcome a man into her life, particularly one with law enforcement background (IIRC). It could give a (false?) sense of security to her.

I would love to know where and when the two of them traveled together. If Dia had to go to La Jolla, would KH have escorted her?
@jash asked if Dia took KH along to La Jolla when she went. Did Dia have a group of friends she met there when she went to La Jolla? This relates to when she first went missing someone saying she was suppose to be in La Jolla that day. Who reported that?
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MOO, it seems that if the people knew about the trust change, there would not be such a surprise when the family arrived on the scene after Dia's disappearance...
Maybe that why KH was not nabbed like Dia, again Moo...
I'm keeping in mind to what stuntpuppy said about the distance from the gate to the house...
 
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MOO, it seems that if the people knew about the trust change, there would not be such a surprise when the family arrived on the scene after Dia's disappearance...
That's another way to look at it. I hope I understand right. I like that you share your thoughts. I can't even remember if KH was there when the family came to "take over". Correct me if I'm wrong, the children came and were videotaping the premises and getting ready to make changes to the cameras or property. Then I think DF had to make a trip to Palm Springs to get a copy of the paperwork. Wonder how that got brought up. Must've been awkward for all concerned.

The way I see, it would cast suspicion right away on them if the new trustees didn't act somewhat surprised. They did seem to know Dia didn't want the kids getting her estate. KH led up to the fact ever so slowly in his interviews acting like he and Dia didn't discuss money. Who knows, he just might be a fine actor.
 

FROM my experience with Dia I knew she was terrified of her son and did not trust him at all. There were years of turmoil involving her son from an early age. THERE were several incidents in which Dia felt he tried to physically harm her.
DIA had been estranged from Clem for approximately 20 years. That estrangement was also conveyed to the son.
Dia was aware of previous drug operations on a property that was nor Sky High.. a lab.. she had difficulty in getting those people out as they were squatters. I do not know if she know about the from on the Sky High property. I do know that she was terrified to go to other properties as past experiences had put her in danger.
DIA was not in the best physical health. She had physical imitations and did not travel or walk off the beaten path. She was always armed and very aware of her surroundings.
DIA only rode her horse when Isidro was riding with her for safety reason both being hurt and encounters with others.
Isidro.. Which I called him "Yahsidro" as he was always very willing to help and a hard worker was her safety net.
IMO the pot grows 8n the area were not a great threat to Dia. Dia did have a neighbor that was a problematic Karen. Not only for Dia and Isidro but others in the canyon.
THERE is much more involving the pressure and tactics the family put on Dia to try and drive her off the property. It was despicable and pure greed.
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Sun Spot, we left off on the other thread discussing if it's possible Dia was into KH and trusting him enough to name him a new Trustee. Dia may have been gas lighted by someone using her fear perhaps? Do you think she went missing on June 6, 2020 or earlier?

Ian sure Dia was being gasslighted by KH andpossibly DF.
THE FAMILY, "son and daughter " were posturing tonforce DIA out in any possible was they could There were bills to pay of the trust that they refused to pay etc.
The trust was established in order to keep Dia from filing for divorce. DIA knew too much about the dealings and business dealings Clem was involved with. She knew enough that if it was all revealed the entire empire could crumble. It was a very awkward situation to say the least. It put Dia in a precarious position either way she chose.
Dia had asked me to move my business to the ranch etc etc etc. I declined as I didn't feel it was a good or safe choice. I never felt comfortable while on that ranch.
DIA was looking for someone to be there, someone to possibly be in a relationship with.. She was scared and desperate.
 
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Just a reminder on this new thread that Sun Spot is a Verified Insider.
Sun Spot, we left off on the other thread discussing if it's possible Dia was into KH and trusting him enough to name him a new Trustee. Dia may have been gas lighted by someone using her fear perhaps? Do you think she went missing on June 6, 2020 or earlier?
@jash asked if Dia took KH along to La Jolla when she went. Did Dia have a group of friends she met there when she went to La Jolla? This relates to when she first went missing someone saying she was suppose to be in La Jolla that day. Who reported that?
BBM
 
Dia played Bunco with a group of ladies that was hosted in a rotating schedule. I was informed by one of the ladies that Dia was expected and did not show up to a Bunco game in the San Diego area june 6th.
I knew Dia traveled in 2019 with KH to Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, Colorado and possibly to her cousin in Oklahoma.
I also know KH was telling others about "his " ranch in California at that time.
 
Dia played Bunco with a group of ladies that was hosted in a rotating schedule. I was informed by one of the ladies that Dia was expected and did not show up to a Bunco game in the San Diego area june 6th.
I knew Dia traveled in 2019 with KH to Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, Colorado and possibly to her cousin in Oklahoma.
I also know KH was telling others about "his " ranch in California at that time.
Nice. This is gold, IMO. Truth tells itself.

I was reading through the last thread and saw again tvscum's post (thread 1, page 46, post#917) showing Dia's properties from above, and your post #944, respectfully snipped:

...I do not believe that Dia could have been surprised by an unknown person with her dog Ruby not warning her. I believe KH would have also known someone had arrived on the property.
With all I know I still have a feeling that Dia did not disappear from the Bonita Vista Ranch...


I want to explore this idea. Could she have been hurt, or taken from, a different one of her properties? I don't know how well those places were searched. Were they searched? Surely they were searched?

You have said that Dia didn't get around easily, because of her physical condition (past injuries/surgery) and also that she was afraid of at least one of her tenants. What might have caused her to go to one of her properties, presumably alone and without her dog, purse, or telephone? Were her cars accounted for, do we know? She either drove away, or rode a horse, or walked, or someone drove her away. Physically, I mean. Did KH have a car? Did Ysidro? Who would know, KH? Maybe we should ask him.

I know we've already talked about some of this, I'm sorry, it's just that I got distracted by the pot stuff, and I skipped past what you all seem to be saying. So. I want to re-focus.

What I know about Dia, from these threads: She carried a gun and was prepared to use it. She wanted/needed help with the ranch, employed Ysidro, was estranged from her husband, afraid of her son, and had disinherited her daughter. She owned properties, three (or 4?), was challenging her pre-nup in court, appears to have created/updated/modified/signed trust documents and secretly named two relative strangers trustees of her estate, two weeks before she disappeared. She had a Karen neighbor that she argued with. She baked muffins for another neighbor, the same day she disappeared. She owned enough antiques to want to go into business with them, never went anywhere without her loyal dog, and she had a relationship of some sort with KH. She played bunko weekly, rode horses only with Ysidro, loved burros, had jewelry in a safe, needed money to fund the ranch. She promoted the ranch as a wedding venue, had limited use of social media (but 2 facebook accounts), and was active in community. She travelled with KH to several western states. She liked beautiful, expensive boots. She tended horses daily. She was afraid, isolated, and without family she trusted. Some of her property was used to grow mj illegally.

It isn't much. Feel free to add, everybody!
 
Nice. This is gold, IMO. Truth tells itself.

I was reading through the last thread and saw again tvscum's post (thread 1, page 46, post#917) showing Dia's properties from above, and your post #944, respectfully snipped:

...I do not believe that Dia could have been surprised by an unknown person with her dog Ruby not warning her. I believe KH would have also known someone had arrived on the property.
With all I know I still have a feeling that Dia did not disappear from the Bonita Vista Ranch...


I want to explore this idea. Could she have been hurt, or taken from, a different one of her properties? I don't know how well those places were searched. Were they searched? Surely they were searched?

You have said that Dia didn't get around easily, because of her physical condition (past injuries/surgery) and also that she was afraid of at least one of her tenants. What might have caused her to go to one of her properties, presumably alone and without her dog, purse, or telephone? Were her cars accounted for, do we know? She either drove away, or rode a horse, or walked, or someone drove her away. Physically, I mean. Did KH have a car? Did Ysidro? Who would know, KH? Maybe we should ask him.

I know we've already talked about some of this, I'm sorry, it's just that I got distracted by the pot stuff, and I skipped past what you all seem to be saying. So. I want to re-focus.

What I know about Dia, from these threads: She carried a gun and was prepared to use it. She wanted/needed help with the ranch, employed Ysidro, was estranged from her husband, afraid of her son, and had disinherited her daughter. She owned properties, three (or 4?), was challenging her pre-nup in court, appears to have created/updated/modified/signed trust documents and secretly named two relative strangers trustees of her estate, two weeks before she disappeared. She had a Karen neighbor that she argued with. She baked muffins for another neighbor, the same day she disappeared. She owned enough antiques to want to go into business with them, never went anywhere without her loyal dog, and she had a relationship of some sort with KH. She played bunko weekly, rode horses only with Ysidro, loved burros, had jewelry in a safe, needed money to fund the ranch. She promoted the ranch as a wedding venue, had limited use of social media (but 2 facebook accounts), and was active in community. She travelled with KH to several western states. She liked beautiful, expensive boots. She tended horses daily. She was afraid, isolated, and without family she trusted. Some of her property was used to grow mj illegally.

It isn't much. Feel free to add, everybody!
DIA owned 4 properties that I know of. ONE had been sold. She also has rental storage units somewhere in the lower valley.
The horses were on a lower property for the most part. I do not believe Dia would have left the house without her dog and gun..
I have thought it possible that she could have been bit by a rattlesnake in the vicinity of the buildings etc. But if that happened I see no reason that se would not have been discovered.
I rode in a vehicle that Dia had that was not listed earlier in the reports. I have no idea if that was a rental , lease or other type etc.
There are other insiders that I wish would come forward.
I just have a tough time believing that Dia disappeared on June 6th from the ranch.
Dia had connections/friends in the motion picture wardrobe business. She liked and had some one of a kind western wear designs along with her custom boots. She also loved to go to the Tucson Jewelry and gem shows.
 
Sunspot, do we know the type of dogs used by searchers?

That's a good question. No details here on the types of dogs but a good reminder of what the search entailed. 2020-030

We were met there by Sheriff’s deputies, search dog team and Swat teams due to the high incidence of marijuana growing nearby in some of the draws that had water.
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We searched until 6 PM with nothing found. We met again on Wednesday at 8 am and started with new assignments and to redo some of the more difficult areas. Again, nothing was found. We completed all assignments by 6 pm and then detectives called the physical search off and they took over the investigation.

IMO, the detectives were quick to call the search off after only 2 days (~20 hours) for an 160-acre property.
 

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