Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Charles Vallow, 62, Oct 2019 *Arrests* #63

[887sMtreme]

I wonder which upsets Chad the most - losing his church, or losing his bride?

I think losing his LIFE a is more on his mind right now.

 

[LietKynes]

What is it with Chad Daybell (however he spells it) and giggling? I can’t even.

Chad Daybell called funeral home hours after Charles Vallow was killed, police reports show - East Idaho News

Agreed. ^^^

Lori's smiling, chatty demeanor after arriving at the house and finding to her complete surprise that her husband was killed; was very chilling.

Imo.

 

[LietKynes]

I agree with one exception. I believe there are some humans who are purely evil (no redeeming qualities).

ITA.
The Dateline episode with Tylee smiling and singing in the brief clip in the car was so sad.
Full of joy and had so much of her life ahead of her.
The same with young JJ.

 

[TheProblemWeAllLiveWith]

I also wonder what the Daybell "children" think about Chad's excommunication, assuming it has already happened. In Church v Chad, whose side would they be on?

The excommunication discussion made me remember that I did a search last year on one of Chad’s children and found a forum where she was defending him and another woman author, (Rowe I think) against people accusing them of heresy or whatever the equivalent is in LDS. This had to do with his books and a debate over NDE I think.
So I think excommunication was on his
mind for some time. Maybe it played a role in the formation of their fringe cult. Maybe his offspring had more involvement than we realized. OMO.
I apologize for the vagueness, but I didn’t realize any significance at the time. Maybe someone recognizes what I read?

 

[montegrl]

So... still no next court date for Chad or Lori? @montegrl ? TIA!

and

everyone!

Hi @Niner, No Dates listed yet! Will try to keep an eye on it!

 

[887sMtreme]

The excommunication discussion made me remember that I did a search last year on one of Chad’s children and found a forum where she was defending him and another woman author, (Rowe I think) against people accusing them of heresy or whatever the equivalent is in LDS. This had to do with his books and a debate over NDE I think.
So I think excommunication was on his
mind for some time. Maybe it played a role in the formation of their fringe cult. Maybe his offspring had more involvement than we realized. OMO.
I apologize for the vagueness, but I didn’t realize any significance at the time. Maybe someone recognizes what I read?

If I understand correctly, NDEs and the LDS faith have a long and friendly association. That aspect of the Chadster’s message (whether written or oral) wouldn’t necessarily ruffle Church feathers, would it?

 

[155etta]

I wonder which upsets Chad the most - losing his church, or losing his bride?

I doubt Chad cared about losing his church. He already thought he'd risen above it and it's leaders. He was on a mission to start his own, The Church of the Firstborn. MOO.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

If I understand correctly, NDEs and the LDS faith have a long and friendly association. That aspect of the Chadster’s message (whether written or oral) wouldn’t necessarily ruffle Church feathers, would it?

Yes, LDS and NDEs do have a connection....... but with social evolution, the Church's analysis of such has changed to "clarify" for followers...

I had researched this a while back... not posted because we do have a general warning not to delve into the Church.

HOwever, I believe with these excommunication letters in msm, some of Chad's very teaching are as much a POI as he is! imo, that is.

Melanie Gibbs testimony refers to particular saints/apostles in the Mormon Bible, that claimed NDE.

1993
"Nigh unto Death": NDE Research and the Book of Mormon on JSTOR

1996
Embraced by the Church? Betty Eadie, Near-Death Experiences, and Mormonism on JSTOR

2017
One Dangerous Problem with Near-Death Experiences and What Role They Should Play in Faith

 

[TheProblemWeAllLiveWith]

If I understand correctly, NDEs and the LDS faith have a long and friendly association. That aspect of the Chadster’s message (whether written or oral) wouldn’t necessarily ruffle Church feathers, would it?

I likely misremembered what the issue was, it had to do with whatever his books were about, something fringe and controversial to the prepper faction of LDS (I’m sorry I know this hasn’t been a very helpful post!)

 

[BeckyF]

1. Is Keith Morrison with Dateline having to work overtime to keep up with all of these bombshells? Please don't retire yet Keith.

2. Do Daybell children still believe their Dad was framed for the murders of JJ and Tylee after all of the sordid details have been revealed since their televised interview?

 

[indicolite22]

So I think excommunication was on his
mind for some time. Maybe it played a role in the formation of their fringe cult. Maybe his offspring had more involvement than we realized. OMO.

SBM. Chad publicly distanced himself from his friend JR who was excommunicated. Lori spent a lot of time at the temple. In her texts she claimed that she received revelations there. Excommunication would revoke their temple access. IMO they were trying to avoid it.

Message from Chad posted on the AVOW forum in early 2020 (BBM):

“Thanks for the update. The issue is that people are linking me to Julie’s (Rowe) beliefs, which I studied but rejected. Lori and I have been absolutely silent for three months. I am constrained by my lawyers from saying more until the legal mess is complete, but be assured I will be back. Hopefully, the subscribers will be there when I can fully return to GRI and tell my experiences. I appreciate your support. Chad.”

A look at the religious circle surrounding Chad and Lori Daybell - East Idaho News

 

[887sMtreme]

Snipped for focus

SBM. Chad publicly distanced himself from his friend JR who was excommunicated. Lori spent a lot of time at the temple. In her texts she claimed that she received revelations there. Excommunication would revoke their temple access. IMO they were trying to avoid it.

Good recall! Yes, it did seem both Chad and Lori were eager to retain full status in the Church.

 

[mickey2942]

As far as the potential jury, anyone here that is LDS surprised Chad was excommunicated? I'm not sure it would be any great shock. JMO

No. I am surprised that it took as long as it did. CD has been pretty vocal about his beliefs.

I do feel badly for his children, especially in Rexburg, which is more LDS and conservative than Salt Lake City, more like Provo.

 

[Kemug]

I think losing his LIFE a is more on his mind right now.

But maybe he believes that he will immediately embark on his next life, as someone really really important

 

[Campizi67]

Also to consider....... LOri did call the Church lawyers.... Would she have done that if she had been excommincated......

Probably not. But, they did not help her instead they reported her phone call. If they were "her church" they most likely would have kept everything confidential, Imo.. just looking for context clues

 

[GRT]

If there was actual incest happening between LV and Alex, will that come as a huge shock to Chad, or not? I should think it very well might, if he is wrenched back into the real world. Would it even make him realize that his Goddess has feet of clay? And then he might do everything he can to pin it all on her.

If he suspected it, it might strengthen his resolve to get rid of old Alex.

 

[Lusitana]

This whole case is gross. It keeps getting worse and worse.

 

[Gigiky]

Hey all, Took a break form posting. I'm sure someone has posted this by now, But IMO if LVD has reached out to LDS for assistance and she is there at the Mental Health Facility to receive treatment to help restore her competency. Then doesn't the fact that she reached out to LDS show proof that she understands/ is aware of what her circumstances are and that by doing so she is trying to assist with her defense. Sound pretty competent to me. IMO , it sounds like she is thinking that by having a state court appointed Attorney she is thinking she might not have the best representation. If that doesn't scream that she is trying to assist with her defense,( rather it was suggested to her by someone else or not) I don't know what does. Mission accomplished Let the proceedings begin!

 

[Lusitana]

What could the LDS Church even do for her? This is a criminal case, what is she asking for exactly?

 

[Gigiky]

What could the LDS Church even do for her? This is a criminal case, what is she asking for exactly?

IMO, she was asking the LDS to help by providing $$ for her legal defense, which is kind of laughable. IMO LDS is probably looking at her as an embarrassment rather than a representative of their beliefs and practice's.