WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #3

[superunknown]

I did some research on the book and it seems that it was required reading in a lot of college classes in the late 90s. It's possible he was exposed to it there.

Also, about the Best Western: even in 2001 most Best Westerns were requiring a credit card at check-in. I am not sure if ccm was able to check the Best Western records, but if Lyle stayed there enroute to the Washington Coast, he would have likely had to use a CC to check in, even if he paid cash. The stumbling block that LE have in this case is that there was no crime committed, so getting warrants and court orders for records is much more difficult to justify. It may be possible that Lyle had some past connection to that location/area and used the address for that reason.

 

[Al_B]

see I figured he may have had some sort of business job that required travel .
Debit cards can be used as well as credit and I believe licenses are required as well.But I don't know how long they are required to keep said information.
It's also hard to say how long he had been traveling about the states either which could explain how he ended up in Meridian

 

[superunknown]

Debit cards can be used as well as credit and I believe licenses are required as well.But I don't know how long they are required to keep said information.
It's also hard to say how long he had been traveling about the states either which could explain how he ended up in Meridian

Yup, you're right. I guess I don't assume that he actually stayed there on his way to the coast. He may have been there before or had some familiarity with that area in his past. It's hard to say.

 

[Debbie Miller]

In one description of this man it states he didn't have earlobes (never did) and in this thread I read something about him having earlobes. Can someone please clarify this for me?

 

[Teresa Larson]

In one description of this man it states he didn't have earlobes (never did) and in this thread I read something about him having earlobes. Can someone please clarify this for me?

He did NOT have ear lobes.

 

[outofthedark]

In one description of this man it states he didn't have earlobes (never did) and in this thread I read something about him having earlobes. Can someone please clarify this for me?

He was born without earlobes

 

[Al_B]

I believe the confusion comes in as stating he had no earlobes when they are attached earlobes

 

[docwho3]

http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster229.htm
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2006/02/19/local_news/01news.txt
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2001/09/18/export21365.txt

Unidentified Male- Found September 17th, 2001 in Grays Harbor, Washington
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38821

I believe cold caseman began posting about post #22 in the following thread.
Grays Harbor, Washington John Doe (cont...)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39426&page=22

Lyle Stevik (Part 2 or 3)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44773

And our current thread:
Lyle Stevik Part 3 (Continued)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53628


Possible match for Lyle Stevik?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52890

Most, if not all, of these links may already have been posted in previous threads about this case. I hope the links help people read up on the case a little.

 

[Al_B]

thank you docwho

 

[coldcaseman]

There was an interesting segment on 60 minutes Sunday that concerns DNA and determining ancestry. There have been several previous posts wondering if we could establish Lyle's ancestry. The last time I had checked with our state crime lab, they could only determine if a person is Negroid, Caucasoid, or Mongoloid. It sounds like the field of DNA has advanced. One company they profiled on the show was familytreedna, but there are several companies offering these services, including one for Native Americans. The test involves submitting a saliva sample and around $150. I've e-mailed one of the companies to see if they could use a blood sample (I'm sure they can) and what could the results show. I don't know yet how accurate these companies are, and what benefit it would be to have Lyles DNA tested. FYI

 

[cold case lady]

that's great ccm.I asked you about that way long ago,hopefully there might be some real progress into this case! :clap: :clap:

 

[Al_B]

[edit] Ethnic tests

It has been suggested that Race#The_Marketing_of_Race:_genetic_lineages_as_social_lineages be merged into this article or section. (Discuss)
Autosomal tests that test the recombining chromosomes are available. These attempt to measure an individual's mixed ethnic heritage. The tests' validity and reliability have been called into question but they continue to be popular
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test

 

[grievousangel]

It will be possible to determine from his Y chromosome and his mtDNA (you would want both done I would think) his ancestry more from an anthropological rather than a genealogical standpoint most likely. While it may not pinpoint specifically the Native American tribe or clan he came from (if any), it will be able to determine IF he was of Native American or European etc. ancestry. At least this is my understanding of the process. Since at this point there very little known about this man's identity, it would be at least a place to begin. It has been a while since I researched this subject and perhaps it is possible for even more information to be gleaned from these kinds of tests.

 

[Al_B]

I'd just reseach it well and make sure it's a credible lab and get their stats up front for everything

 

[superunknown]

Hi Everyone:

I wanted to post about a possible lead in this case. I found this information several weeks ago and was asked not to post about it by the LE that are involved in trying to identify Lyle. I've been given the go-ahead by them to post this here now, so here it is:

I did some research on Lyle's missing earlobes. This is a congenital condition called microtia. (This was discussed briefly in one of the other Lyle threads but not really expanded upon.) I began looking at medical websites that discuss microtia and was surprised to discover that a very high percentage of people born with this condition are from the Navajo indian tribe.

http://www.microtia.net/Webpages.asp?WPID=3


http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic329.htm


The possibility that Lyle could be Navajo makes sense on some levels. The Navajo live in the four corners area of the Southwest- Arizona, New Mexico and Utah. If Lyle were Navajo then his transiting route to the Washington coast could have taken him north through Idaho and then west towards Washington State. That may explain why Lyle used an Idaho address or may have been familiar with or had ties to that area.

The LE guys on this case (ccm/Sgt Shumate) and I have discussed ideas about how to pursue the Navajo angle. With their encouragement/permission, I will be making contact with some Navajo organizations about this case shortly. I'll keep you all posted on any progress.

Another odd but maybe unrelated coincidence around this case I also wanted to mention is around the Progress Avenue address Lyle used. There is a popular bar band from the Phoenix, Arizona area called SHAKER. In 1999 they released a CD that has a song called "Progress Avenue" on it. Here are the lyrics:

Progress Avenue
http://cdbaby.com/cd/shaker

By Shaker (1999)

Get a new house, work hard every day
Tell me what you got, not a *advertiser censored* thing
Neighbors come and go, No one knows your name
Lost on the street, Every house looks the same
Its like livin’ in a prison, with no way out
Fences on the street, leave little doubt
You’re empty deep inside, like a bottle gone dry
A list of all you want, stretches to the sky
Yeah, you wander through each day, that’s all you’re gonna do
On the street of broken dreams, called Progress Avenue

Chorus
It’s a dead end street
In an overgrown town
Where scattered people lay
Like trash on the ground
Shakin’ in the night
Tell me what can you do?
Another day lost, another day lost
On Progress Avenue

Strangers in this house, surrounded by the things
Keep us separated and only cost our dreams
They say heaven waits down a two lane
And there’s room for one more car
Roll like the wind, chase that distant star
Let’s tear down the night, baby me and you
Crash through these gates on Progress Avenue

Repeat Chorus

Shakin’ in the night, tell me what can you do?
Another day lost, another day lost
On Progress Avenue

As I lay awake, sweat runnin’ down my face
A prisoner of debt, chained up to this place
Stockade in this city, hidden out of view
Disconnected people
Disconnected people
On Progress Avenue
On Progress Avenue
On Progress Avenue

This may just be a coincidence but I thought the lyrics were very interesting.

 

[Babyslims]

Hi Everyone:

I wanted to post about a possible lead in this case. I found this information several weeks ago and was asked not to post about it by the LE that are involved in trying to identify Lyle. I've been given the go-ahead by them to post this here now, so here it is:

I did some research on Lyle's missing earlobes. This is a congenital condition called microtia. (This was discussed briefly in one of the other Lyle threads but not really expanded upon.) I began looking at medical websites that discuss microtia and was surprised to discover that a very high percentage of people born with this condition are from the Navajo indian tribe.

http://www.microtia.net/Webpages.asp?WPID=3


http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic329.htm


The possibility that Lyle could be Navajo makes sense on some levels. The Navajo live in the four corners area of the Southwest- Arizona, New Mexico and Utah. If Lyle were Navajo then his transiting route to the Washington coast could have taken him north through Idaho and then west towards Washington State. That may explain why Lyle used an Idaho address or may have been familiar with or had ties to that area.

The LE guys on this case (ccm/Sgt Shumate) and I have discussed ideas about how to pursue the Navajo angle. With their encouragement/permission, I will be making contact with some Navajo organizations about this case shortly. I'll keep you all posted on any progress.

Another odd but maybe unrelated coincidence around this case I also wanted to mention is around the Progress Avenue address Lyle used. There is a popular bar band from the Phoenix, Arizona area called SHAKER. In 1999 they released a CD that has a song called "Progress Avenue" on it. Here are the lyrics:

Progress Avenue
http://cdbaby.com/cd/shaker

By Shaker (1999)

Get a new house, work hard every day
Tell me what you got, not a *advertiser censored* thing
Neighbors come and go, No one knows your name
Lost on the street, Every house looks the same
Its like livin’ in a prison, with no way out
Fences on the street, leave little doubt
You’re empty deep inside, like a bottle gone dry
A list of all you want, stretches to the sky
Yeah, you wander through each day, that’s all you’re gonna do
On the street of broken dreams, called Progress Avenue

Chorus
It’s a dead end street
In an overgrown town
Where scattered people lay
Like trash on the ground
Shakin’ in the night
Tell me what can you do?
Another day lost, another day lost
On Progress Avenue

Strangers in this house, surrounded by the things
Keep us separated and only cost our dreams
They say heaven waits down a two lane
And there’s room for one more car
Roll like the wind, chase that distant star
Let’s tear down the night, baby me and you
Crash through these gates on Progress Avenue

Repeat Chorus

Shakin’ in the night, tell me what can you do?
Another day lost, another day lost
On Progress Avenue

As I lay awake, sweat runnin’ down my face
A prisoner of debt, chained up to this place
Stockade in this city, hidden out of view
Disconnected people
Disconnected people
On Progress Avenue
On Progress Avenue
On Progress Avenue

This may just be a coincidence but I thought the lyrics were very interesting.

Wow!!! Some great info for us to go on!! especially that song! is that bar still around?? did anyone ever go there and show pictures? or talk to anyone?

 

[superunknown]

Wow!!! Some great info for us to go on!! especially that song! is that bar still around?? did anyone ever go there and show pictures? or talk to anyone?

This band apparently has played various places in Arizona, from what I can find out about them, they don't play in exclusively one place. Also they seem to be somewhat inactive based on their website so I'm not sure if they are even still performing.

 

[Teresa Larson]

:woohoo: Good going RMF!! I KNEW he was a native American Yaaaa!! I also wonder now IF they are the tribe that is against suicide. That might be why he did committed suicide where he did That way he would be buried and also he wouldn't shame his family if they never knew about it.

 

[Babyslims]

This band apparently has played various places in Arizona, from what I can find out about them, they don't play in exclusively one place. Also they seem to be somewhat inactive based on their website so I'm not sure if they are even still performing.

there's an email listed on that site, you might be able to find out :innocent:

 

[superunknown]

Thanks Teresa! We can't really assume that he's definitely Navajo. But it's worth looking into since the ear issue is predominant in that group of people (about 1:900 births) and also the Japanese (about 1:4000 births).

It is worth ruling out, if not anything else.